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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 27, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 10:36:43 GMT -5
But you literally a few days ago were saying that Look was better than most songs that hit #1 on pop. Why can't i compare this to her previous lead single? Ofc you can compare them. What I was saying and that became very explicit after that phrase, was that both songs are very different and SIO is obviously much more radio friendly. I mean, you just didn't understand it because you didn't want to ;) I stated that I love SIO but not this one. That should be an indication that I do think that they are different. But hey that's a good excuse for this song to not be on the level of her biggest hits. If this song had been released as the third single it would never got all of these achievements that it did. It would probably be a more "successful" Bon Appetit. If she had released as a lead a song like SIO it probably would have gotten the same impact and better longevity. I'm not trying to put Taylor down, I would call this tough love |
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Post by deepston on Sept 27, 2017 10:50:59 GMT -5
Ofc you can compare them. What I was saying and that became very explicit after that phrase, was that both songs are very different and SIO is obviously much more radio friendly. I mean, you just didn't understand it because you didn't want to ;) I stated that I love SIO but not this one. That should be an indication that I do think that they are different. But hey that's a good excuse for this song to not be on the level of her biggest hits. If this song had been released as the third single it would never got all of these achievements that it did. It would probably be a more "successful" Bon Appetit. If she had released as a lead a song like SIO it probably would have gotten the same impact and better longevity. I'm not trying to put Taylor down, I would call this tough love Right, I agree this song only broke a ton of records because it was her lead single. She really needs to send something radio friendly this time or this will probably be her only #1 from this era (and a weak one). Also we need to remember RFI is charting on top 20 Radio and Radio hates to have 2 songs by the same artist playing at the same time. |
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Sept 27, 2017 11:10:03 GMT -5
Why are people always wanting artists to just rehash previous hits? There’s nothing there for me in that.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Sept 27, 2017 11:48:46 GMT -5
ZOMG so funny!!!!111! How's Katy doin? |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Sept 27, 2017 11:54:42 GMT -5
The bullet has collapsed 64% over the last three weeks and lost almost 40% since last Wednesday. Her team needs to focus on re-igniting interest and not waste time sending flowers tbh. Lol. Because a team can do one thing at a time and sending flowers takes 8 days. |
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Post by Oprah on Sept 27, 2017 12:24:35 GMT -5
If nothing else, I would like to thank Taylor for bestowing this mess of a thread on us.
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Post by Josh Spicer on Sept 27, 2017 12:34:16 GMT -5
I keep coming back hoping for collusion but all I receive is chaos.
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Post by deepston on Sept 27, 2017 12:58:33 GMT -5
I don't know why people keep pitting female artists against each other here...
After the recent streak of very successful flops you should be the most interested in seeing Taylor turning this around.
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Post by MilesW1998 on Sept 27, 2017 13:02:47 GMT -5
I keep coming back hoping for collusion but all I receive is chaos. I don't know why people keep pitting female artists against each other here... After the recent streak of very successful flops you should be the most interested in seeing Taylor turning this around. Pulse Music Boards: Starting stan wars since 2003. |
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 27, 2017 13:21:19 GMT -5
Seems like this era is going the way I predicted: Start off with massive numbers and then continuously slide downhill from there. If LWYMMD is unable to get longevity, I doubt RFI will. That song is way worse than LWYMMD (mainly because of Taylor rapping). Hopefully there's something more along the lines of 1989 on the album. So far, things are shaping up to be like BTW or Prism.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 27, 2017 13:23:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if this plummeted tomorrow, as tbh this has kinda run its course for me and I am salivating for new material (the album is what I am here for, not the chart stats). 😍
Success, wise, as one of the most successful artists of the last 10 years, Taylor has nothing to prove anyway. Everyone takes a down turn at some point (even if this is hers, it won't be at the level some are salivating for) and for most others it came long before their 5th consecutive 4 million+ selling release.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Sept 27, 2017 13:29:25 GMT -5
You guys are soooo dramatic. You're dooming the project before it's even here. She got 3 weeks atop out of this song, and she reestablished herself as an artist. This was a diss track, but more importantly it made a statement. It was Taylor poking fun at herself, and at the critique she constantly gets. She matured as an artist more than ever with this one song, and she seems like she's over being that pop star with a perfect image.
She'll go on to have a hit album and more singles.
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 27, 2017 13:44:41 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts.
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Post by deepston on Sept 27, 2017 13:48:19 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. hum? She released a promotional that is currently top 20 on Radio with 0 promo from her team. I think that's the definition of sticking with the GP |
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Post by jughead on Sept 27, 2017 13:54:23 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:07:50 GMT -5
 mdr I doubt the album is going to bomb though |
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Post by Choco on Sept 27, 2017 14:09:07 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. This literally topped the Hot 100 for 3 weeks. RFI is just a promo single and it's still doing better than a lot of proper radio singles. Swish Swish and Bon Appetit are probably the songs that didn't stick with the GP that you're thinking of.  |
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 27, 2017 14:18:41 GMT -5
3 years ago Pop: 3 2 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 16272 14187 2085 102.96 + 393 Spins + 333 Bullet + 2.066 Audience HAC: 2 1 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 6360 5824 536 42.872 + 65 Spins + 35 Bullet + 0.566 Audience AC: 11 9 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 1359 1196 163 8.093 + 12 Spins - 18 Bullet + 0.075 Audience Rhythmic: 30 27 TAYLOR SWIFT Shake It Off 1040 862 178 6.236 + 14 spins - 8 Bullet + 0.127 Audience This is the type of song I want from her. I have high expectations and was really hyped for Taylor before, but I couldn't get into this one. The fact that it samples one of the worst hit songs ever imo doesn't help. I was still rooting for it to have some longevity, but I got keep real, that ain't happening either. So I hope she just moves on from this quick and release something better for next single Yeah, sure, but the comments here when she released Shake it off weren't exactly celebrating the success of the song. A lot of people here expressed clearly how much they disliked the song and i remember clearly some people (even in articles in the press) dowplaying first week numbers for 1989. Then the album was released and the number were way higher than expected. With every diva there's the same stupid flopping predictions everytime. Of course if you are saying (and i'm not telling this about you but in general and specially in this forum) always the same, sooner or later you are right, because in every long career there are ups and downs. Is this smashing, of course it's smashing, it was number one for three weeks and it's in the top positions of itunes since its release. It'll be pop number one? maybe. But frankly, right now pop is not exactly the best meassure of what's successful. We have a number one that it's not even top 10 on bb hot 100 and a top 10 climbing which was not even top 30 on the billboard hot 100. Maybe this will end struggling to get there like Born this way, maybe the bullet rise in the following weeks or maybe hit a brick wall. And she has a promo single in the top 20, without video, without any promotion. And people keep saying that this era is bound to fail. Good lord, i don't know how the labels are not hiring all those people with such clarividence of the music business |
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 27, 2017 14:25:12 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. Dark Horse...k bye |
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Post by Taylor. on Sept 27, 2017 14:27:19 GMT -5
Name a promo single that’s gotten as much airplay and has stabilized on iTunes the way ...Ready For It? has. Dark Horse...k bye Dark Horse peaked at #45 on radio before it was made an official single. |
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 27, 2017 14:29:14 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. hum? She released a promotional that is currently top 20 on Radio with 0 promo from her team. I think that's the definition of sticking with the GP That's the definition of initial hype. Taylor is a radio darling just like others were in the past. Out of the three major chart components, radio is the one that least shows GP interest, especially if there's no callout scores. Streaming and sales represents GP interest much better. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 14:29:53 GMT -5
jjose712 I was just stating my personal opinion about the song and why I think it's not doing as successfully as her previous lead single (I actually think this is the worst song she ever released in her entire career). I'm rooting for Taylor but not with this type of song. It should have been an album track from Witness
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 27, 2017 14:30:47 GMT -5
The thing is to see BEHIND the numbers.. the sentiment, tone of voice in discussion, reactions both short and long term.
And I don't find "I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me" any more MATURE than "haters gonna hate-hate-hate".
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Post by wjr15 on Sept 27, 2017 14:31:24 GMT -5
I'm just saying, she has two songs out and neither seems to be sticking with the GP. Her success this era has been on initial hype. That's not good for longevity. Granted, there could be some huge smash on the album, but from the two releases so far, I have my doubts. This literally topped the Hot 100 for 3 weeks. RFI is just a promo single and it's still doing better than a lot of proper radio singles. Swish Swish and Bon Appetit are probably the songs that didn't stick with the GP that you're thinking of. I don't know why people keep pitting female artists against each other here... |
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Post by Josh Spicer on Sept 27, 2017 14:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by nightshade on Sept 27, 2017 15:00:50 GMT -5
The success Taylor is having with this era so far is something any of the pop girl's last eras would've DIED for.
If this goes #1 on pop radio, that's great but if not it's not like pop radio is the end all be all especially for Taylor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2017 15:17:50 GMT -5
The success Taylor is having with this era so far is something any of the pop girl's last eras would've DIED for. If this goes #1 on pop radio, that's great but if not it's not like pop radio is the end all be all especially for Taylor. I agree with that. I also think that if Demi had released this it would never been a #1 hit, just like if Taylor released SNS it would have probably been top 10 on Hot 100 by now I actually like RFI and it's definitely good that the promo track is top 20 on pop while the lead single is still alive I'm here for Taylor's next single and this thread being locked soon |
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Sept 27, 2017 15:26:07 GMT -5
The success Taylor is having with this era so far is something any of the pop girl's last eras would've DIED for. If this goes #1 on pop radio, that's great but if not it's not like pop radio is the end all be all especially for Taylor. That's fine and dandy. HOWEVER, is it not fruitful to discuss a worrisome trend that's appearing within several metrics for this song? Do we just kick back and say "fuck it" after a song has reached #1 on the Hot 100? Is there not more to a song's chart run and success than its peak? |
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Sept 27, 2017 16:32:13 GMT -5
Just want to mention that RFI and LWYMMDs bullets combined are smaller than the bullet LWYMMD had like... 10 days ago. So I wouldn't say RFI makes up for too much. In what context are you referring? RFI is not an official release in any sense of the word, yet has managed a top 20 placement on pop radio has been doing well digitally. That's phenomenal. As for its impact on LWYMMD, to think RFI taking off and being as high as it is in rotation isn't negatively affecting LWYMMD is naive. |
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