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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 6:51:52 GMT -5
For the discussion about boycotting songs from artists with sexual assault convictions, it comes down to this.
If I hear a song on the radio or the internet that resonates with me, I will buy it. Plain and simple
If others here the same song and they really like it too the they check the artists Wikipedia page. It lists a sexual assault conviction in 2002, "damn can't listen to the song I really like now because I am supporting violence against women...next"
If someone chooses to put political views above enjoyment of music, that is their business.
For me...it is all about the music
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2017 7:06:01 GMT -5
A Mariah solo may still get to #1 but not 16 weeks. She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. |
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Post by .It'sGriffin on Aug 30, 2017 7:06:49 GMT -5
Yeah, about the discussion; I would understand you if you'd state that you wouldn't go on a concert because of that, but music is music. Really guys, now, please, let us stop, okay?
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Post by Caviar on Aug 30, 2017 7:10:51 GMT -5
A Mariah solo may still get to #1 but not 16 weeks. She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. It's either 14 or 15. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 7:12:40 GMT -5
A Mariah solo may still get to #1 but not 16 weeks. She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. No she got 14 with a song not called 'One Sweet Day' Boyz II Men also got to 14 weeks with a different song - so what? One Sweet Day was a SHARED collaboration |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2017 7:21:10 GMT -5
She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. It's either 14 or 15. We all know she was going to be #1 for 15 weeks. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2017 7:22:25 GMT -5
She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. No she got 14 with a song not called 'One Sweet Day' Boyz II Men also got to 14 weeks with a different song - so what? One Sweet Day was a SHARED collaboration I know it was a shared collaboration. What you're trying to imply is that Mariah Carey did not contribute to its success, which is a lie. |
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 30, 2017 7:27:19 GMT -5
A Mariah solo may still get to #1 but not 16 weeks. She got 14 weeks ten years later. Technically 15 weeks. What is this technically 15 weeks? It was #1 for 14 weeks. Carrie Underwood legitimately hit #1 during that time, nothing was "stolen" from Mariah. Or should we mention how Mariah got to #1 one week early due to free downloads being counted? That was a technicality too. |
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 30, 2017 7:33:10 GMT -5
No she got 14 with a song not called 'One Sweet Day' Boyz II Men also got to 14 weeks with a different song - so what? One Sweet Day was a SHARED collaboration I know it was a shared collaboration. What you're trying to imply is that Mariah Carey did not contribute to its success, which is a lie. Nobody's implying that. All we are saying is that Mariah did not get to those 16 weeks all by herself. She had help from Boyz II Men, who at the time were one of the biggest recording artists around (hard to believe today I know). They BOTH contributed to the success of that song; neither one of them could have done it all on their own. That's all. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 7:35:02 GMT -5
No she got 14 with a song not called 'One Sweet Day' Boyz II Men also got to 14 weeks with a different song - so what? One Sweet Day was a SHARED collaboration I know it was a shared collaboration. What you're trying to imply is that Mariah Carey did not contribute to its success, which is a lie. Read my posts carefully. She had help. That is what a shared collaboration is. This was not Mariah by herself. This was a shared collaboration with Boyz II Men. Mariah never had the number ones record all to herself. She always was sharing it with Boyz II Men and now she shares it with Justin Bieber as well |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 7:43:52 GMT -5
I know it was a shared collaboration. What you're trying to imply is that Mariah Carey did not contribute to its success, which is a lie. Read my posts carefully. She had help. That is what a shared collaboration is. This was not Mariah by herself. This was a shared collaboration with Boyz II Men. Mariah never had the number ones record all to herself. She always was sharing it with Boyz II Men and now she shares it with Justin Bieber as well Sorry, but..you are talking about collaborations and you're only mentioning Justin Bieber. She shares this record with Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee also. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2017 7:45:43 GMT -5
Read my posts carefully. She had help. That is what a shared collaboration is. This was not Mariah by herself. This was a shared collaboration with Boyz II Men. Mariah never had the number ones record all to herself. She always was sharing it with Boyz II Men and now she shares it with Justin Bieber as well Sorry, but..you are talking about collaborations and you're only mentioning Justin Bieber. She shares this record with Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee also. I was about to post that lol |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 7:55:34 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers.
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 8:05:25 GMT -5
Sorry, but..you are talking about collaborations and you're only mentioning Justin Bieber. She shares this record with Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee also. I was about to post that lol So basically a shared record now and a shared record before. This was never a Mariah, by herself, record Ties back to my first post. Hey, at least it won't BREAK her record. She still has it, she just need to share it. And she'll have always managed it first, well before it was "easy" Even before Despacito came along, she was sharing the record. She had help with 16 by an artist who managed 13-14 weeks TWICE, well before that became easy  |
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Post by garrettlen on Aug 30, 2017 8:06:52 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. That doesn't make it accurate though. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 8:30:21 GMT -5
Gary, you're right, and i know that's not fair. I don't understand that either, maybe people are so lazy to write "Boyz II Men", or maybe they don't know who they are. But i think that's mostly because people likes to compare women in music, and when they're mentioning Mariah, it's always "Mariah's 16 weeks @ #1"
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 8:32:38 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. That doesn't make it accurate though. What exactly? |
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Post by pja on Aug 30, 2017 9:22:52 GMT -5
Obviously Rihanna fans and Chris Brown haters are more traumatized and hurt than Rihanna herself Who has obviously forgiven him. As if that's a good thing. Chris Brown is still the shithead that he is back in 2009. Just last year, he threatened a woman with a gun inside his house. He was never convicted for that was he? And if he was the woman should have left his house when asked, she didn't. Bottom line, the woman had a history of making up threats to her that were proven later to be false. |
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Post by pja on Aug 30, 2017 9:24:03 GMT -5
Obviously Rihanna fans and Chris Brown haters are more traumatized and hurt than Rihanna herself Who has obviously forgiven him. Rihanna is one person. He has a history of violence and threats. What will happen if or when he beats another woman? Oh, but Rihanna "forgave" him therefore everyone else should too. The poster specifically mentioned the Rihanna situation, so again, she forgave him, so why keep bringing it up? |
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Post by pja on Aug 30, 2017 9:28:08 GMT -5
This is the key. Taylor's team agreed that she approved of the "I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex" line, but not the "I made that bitch famous" line. But is calling taylor a bitch really more humiliating than the sex line? Really feels like a cop-out imo. And she didn't say he had presented the sex line, she acted as if he hadn't asked her at all. I find the I made the bitch famous line to be much worse imo. IN fact when I first heard the song and heard that line, I was like, I wonder how Taylor Swift was going to take that line lol |
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Post by pja on Aug 30, 2017 9:35:36 GMT -5
If one feels like they don't want to "give money" to someone who has committed a crime or acted poorly in the past, does that mean they believe these people should not be allowed to work or make money anymore? Even if they have done the sentence assigned to them by the legal system? How does it work exactly when you say you can't believe people are "giving" money to Chris Brown? Do you believe he should never be able to earn another dollar in his lifetime? Right, Walmart, and all the grocery stores...hell every business should run a background check, and anyone who has done anything illegal at all should be fired immediately. Wonder how that will work out for society? |
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 9:46:50 GMT -5
Let's say you download a Chris Brown song for $1.29, how much are you really giving to Chris Brown
Answer: Around 10 cents
If you stream a Chris Brown song, how much are you really giving to Chris Brown
Answer: less than a penny
So not really about money here.
If your political/social beliefs really motivate you to only listen to certain music and shop at certain places - go for it.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Aug 30, 2017 11:26:07 GMT -5
The thirst is real.
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Post by imbondz on Aug 30, 2017 13:14:49 GMT -5
If you think you don't buy stuff from homophobes, racists, rapists, pedophiles, evil people in general, you haven't thought things thru. You'd have to check the source of everything you bought to make sure you approve of the sellers moral compass. Who made the bread you bought at the grocery store? No idea. The farmer that raised the cattle you ate the hamburger from? Who knows what he's done.
That said, I totally get not supporting an artist who you don't like even if it's a great song. It's one of the many reasons America and other free counties are great. You can choose to listen and buy a jerks music or you can choose not to. Same with if you don't like what a company stands for, you don't have to shop there.
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Post by Envoirment on Aug 30, 2017 13:15:28 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. By everybody you mean her fans right? lol Boyz II Men were just as big as Mariah around the time OSD smashed. People still know and remember them. |
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Post by inverse on Aug 30, 2017 13:30:31 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. The f**k are you on? People still know the name of the Macarena 21 years later, they don't call it "That random spanish song that blocked mariah from having the biggest song of 1996" Edit: Also is there a thread yet for 9/16/2017? Haven't seen it |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 13:41:23 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. By everybody you mean her fans right? lol Boyz II Men were just as big as Mariah around the time OSD smashed. People still know and remember them. Maybe it was not good expression and comparation (comparing Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee to Boyz II Men), but people are unfairly neglecting these artists. Of course that they were popular in 90s, and people are still listening to their songs, but let's face it, they are not at the same level of popularity as Mariah now. Whether in good or bad context, people still talk about her, plus she has "All I Want For Christmas" a song that will always be played. And i like Boyz II Men more, but that's the real situation. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 13:51:21 GMT -5
When I wrote "Mariah now also shares with Bieber" that was just lazy typing. Luis Fonsi was the main force behind the songs sustained popularity.
The key point I was making in that sentence was not who she is sharing with but the simple fact that she was sharing
One Sweet Day was also a true collaboration. Boyz II Men co wrote the song as well.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Aug 30, 2017 13:55:53 GMT -5
For 10 years from now, people will be like "Do you remember that Justin's song...with some random Puerto Rican guys (90% will say SPANISH GUYS)". It's the same thing with One Sweet Day, everybody knows Mariah Carey and they recognizes this song by hers. The f**k are you on? People still know the name of the Macarena 21 years later, they don't call it "That random spanish song that blocked mariah from having the biggest song of 1996" Edit: Also is there a thread yet for 9/16/2017? Haven't seen it People only know the name of the song (very few people know it's Los Del Rio), as they will know about Despacito. I was thinking about that FOR 10 years from now, people will credit only Justin on Despacito, just like most of them do now for One Sweet Day. |
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Post by Gary on Aug 30, 2017 14:00:48 GMT -5
The f**k are you on? People still know the name of the Macarena 21 years later, they don't call it "That random spanish song that blocked mariah from having the biggest song of 1996" Edit: Also is there a thread yet for 9/16/2017? Haven't seen it People only know the name of the song (very few people know it's Los Del Rio), as they will know about Despacito. I was thinking about that FOR 10 years from now, people will credit only Justin on Despacito, just like most of them do now for One Sweet Day. Those who do that on purpose might. This is Pulse - where all music but that from female pop stars is basically ignored - so yeah Those who truly know the music, also are well of aware of who sang it |
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