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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 2:06:56 GMT -5
Oh dear God that Carly Hennessy track is awful, although might have been a little less so in 2000. Tyra Banks' music career came to mind, Shake Ya Body was produced by Darkchild and she used her hit tv show to promote it. Also just found out that she recorded a song with Kobe Bryant. Must have had a huuuuuuge success on chart. Wait. If we're putting expectations on athletes, does Shaquille O'Neal count too? Shaq's first album was actually kind of a hit though. I don't know why we let him have that moment. I'm not sure where on the flop scale Paula Abdul would be but she crashed really hard with her third album, Head Over Heels, and her career ended on that unfortunate note.
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Post by Harder Faster Daddy on Sept 10, 2017 3:00:11 GMT -5
And now I really don't understand how they managed to blow 250k on that. I feel like early 2000s was the peak period of wastefulness when it came to video budgets though. I might be wrong but I think I recall 200-250k actually being kind of the standard rate for video expenses then. Labels were burning money just b/c they had it to burn, smh. A lot of that 2.2 mil could have been saved just by someone realizing that they needed to change her sonic direction and reworking the production (or even scrapping the song(s) completely and starting fresh) before putting one cent toward anything else. Danielle Bollinger's club-themed video for "Take It Back" was shot on a small budget (less than $2000) and it turned out okay for the most part. It does look a little cheap, but it's not bad. It looks way better than the Carly one. By comparison, there was this one video by Sarah McLachlan for "World On Fire" that only cost $15 when she actually had a budget of $150,000. Granted that this was intentional and not a consequence of not having any budget, given the type of song it was and what Sarah was trying to do with the video, it was effective. Several Missy Elliott videos cost like 1-2 million, wonder if that money ever came back to label when She's a Bitch for example was a huge #90 smash (and the album barely went platinum). I love Missy so it's not that but there was a proper hyperbole back then. Madonna's video for "Bedtime Story" cost $5 million and the single performed poorly for the most part. But the video got critical acclaim and is featured in the Museum Of Modern Art. I'm not sure where on the flop scale Paula Abdul would be but she crashed really hard with her third album, Head Over Heels, and her career ended on that unfortunate note. I think the album was good overall but it suffered from poor promotion and bizarre single choices. "Crazy Cool" probably would have been a better lead single and then "My Love Is For Real" after that, and then something else after that. "Ain't Never Gonna Give You Up" was such a WTF single choice.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 10, 2017 4:06:52 GMT -5
Never realised Bedtime Story was so expensive :o
Although she probably paid it herself for most part (through her label Maverick)
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Post by Monarca on Sept 10, 2017 10:45:55 GMT -5
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 10, 2017 19:25:02 GMT -5
Perfect Illusion is the biggest flop of the decade, imo. I mean...the LEAD single from Lady Gaga, after its initial debut, had consistent red updates for 2 weeks straight that not even the album release date, the album COVER, and the video could stop. And what....6 weeks on the Hot 100? For a lead?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 19:38:19 GMT -5
Perfect Illusion rwally was a poor choice as a lead single John Wayne should have led off the album
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Post by Harder Faster Daddy on Sept 10, 2017 22:55:56 GMT -5
Never realised Bedtime Story was so expensive :o Although she probably paid it herself for most part (through her label Maverick) "Express Yourself" was similarly expensive. "Die Another Day" was even more expensive though I think that was covered by the budget for the movie since it was for that.
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Post by leonagwen on Sept 11, 2017 13:22:25 GMT -5
I'm a big Gwen Stefani fan but I would have to say her song "Crash" was her first flop and "Now that you got it' on her second album was a disappointment on the charts.
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Post by chillpill on Sept 11, 2017 23:20:34 GMT -5
I'm a big Gwen Stefani fan but I would have to say her song "Crash" was her first flop and "Now that you got it' on her second album was a disappointment on the charts. Didn't the girl in your avatar try to promote her album on Grindr? :kii:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 2:30:49 GMT -5
Signs by Drake. Up until this single, he was EVERYWHERE. 2 decent-sized hits from More Life, with 1 more staying on the charts from the album bomb. Not to mention ML itself doing actual strong numbers. Then this hits, and he just... vanished.
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Post by Enigma. on Sept 12, 2017 2:33:39 GMT -5
It was a Louis Vuitton advert though, not really comparable. But it is a bit "alarming" (maybe not the right word here) that Passionfruit is the only proper hit from More Life.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 15:22:07 GMT -5
It was a Louis Vuitton advert though, not really comparable. But it is a bit "alarming" (maybe not the right word here) that Passionfruit is the only proper hit from More Life. Fake Love?
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Post by rainie on Jul 1, 2018 17:31:06 GMT -5
A couple newish ones:
Sangria Wine by Camilla Cabello was a followup to a #1 and #6 hit (both which were multi week #1s on CHR), but only managed to hit the bottom half of the hot 100 for a week and it scraped the top 40 of CHR.
No Excuses by Meghan Trainor was the lead single from an era that followed up on one with a #3 and a teens peaker. However, it didn’t even crack the top 40 and didn’t stay on the hot 100 for very many weeks either.
It’s too early to say for sure, but there’s a chance that Growing Pains by Alessia Cara will not even chart on the hot 100, which is pretty dissapointing for an artist who scored two top tens from her debut, plus another two as a feature. Even if it charts, it’ll likely not peak very high.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jul 1, 2018 23:36:29 GMT -5
Revival - Eminem
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 2, 2018 2:57:27 GMT -5
A couple newish ones: Sangria Wine by Camilla Cabello was a followup to a #1 and #6 hit (both which were multi week #1s on CHR), but only managed to hit the bottom half of the hot 100 for a week and it scraped the top 40 of CHR. No Excuses by Meghan Trainor was the lead single from an era that followed up on one with a #3 and a teens peaker. However, it didn’t even crack the top 40 and didn’t stay on the hot 100 for very many weeks either. It’s too early to say for sure, but there’s a chance that Growing Pains by Alessia Cara will not even chart on the hot 100, which is pretty dissapointing for an artist who scored two top tens from her debut, plus another two as a feature. Even if it charts, it’ll likely not peak very high. Sangria Wine is Pharrell's song not Camila's.
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Post by rainie on Jul 2, 2018 12:21:38 GMT -5
A couple newish ones: Sangria Wine by Camilla Cabello was a followup to a #1 and #6 hit (both which were multi week #1s on CHR), but only managed to hit the bottom half of the hot 100 for a week and it scraped the top 40 of CHR. No Excuses by Meghan Trainor was the lead single from an era that followed up on one with a #3 and a teens peaker. However, it didn’t even crack the top 40 and didn’t stay on the hot 100 for very many weeks either. It’s too early to say for sure, but there’s a chance that Growing Pains by Alessia Cara will not even chart on the hot 100, which is pretty dissapointing for an artist who scored two top tens from her debut, plus another two as a feature. Even if it charts, it’ll likely not peak very high. Sangria Wine is Pharrell's song not Camila's. Its both tho
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Post by rickroller on Jul 3, 2018 15:15:44 GMT -5
Katy perry witness. Charli puth voicenotes.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jul 3, 2018 15:29:06 GMT -5
Man of the Woods - Justin Timberlake
All of the singles from Wiz Khalifa's upcoming album, Rolling Papers 2.
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Post by mrmike855 on Jul 3, 2018 19:16:02 GMT -5
Katy Perry's Bon Appetit and Lady Gaga's G.U.Y come to mind.
Granted Chained to the Rhythm was already an underperformer by Katy standards, but it still made the top 5. Bon Appetit, coming after not only that, but 10 years where every Katy song had made it to at least the top 30, featuring one of the biggest names in rap and having a very controversial music video, only peaked at 59. An unambiguous flop from someone who was still considered one of the biggest pop stars. If there was an era more underwhelming than Witness, I haven't seen it
G.U.Y was even more baffling. Artpop had been disappointing so far, with Applause missing the top 5 and Do What U Want missing the top 10, but who would've thought that the 3rd single would only peak at 76, and not even have a real chart run, only spending one week at 76. Again, coming from someone who was one of the biggest names in pop. It almost seems, if looking purely at the charts, that G.U.Y forced Gaga to give up EDM music, she hasn't released a dance song since then. I'm sure this isn't really the case, but she completely changed after this song.
I could also say Taylor Swift's Out of the Woods only really peaking at 44 (only getting higher due to the album bomb) but it was the 6th single, at that point, a flop is pretty likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 0:04:35 GMT -5
Xtina's Accelerate and Fall In Line come in mind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 1:14:29 GMT -5
ARTPOP is the biggest flop of all time
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Post by Monarca on Jul 8, 2018 22:59:15 GMT -5
So far this year...
Let's see:
I'd say: "Filthy" and "Supplies", although those charted.
But I'll say: "Accelerate" and "Fall In Line" - Those died so fast...
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Post by irice22 on Jul 9, 2018 3:39:26 GMT -5
Perfect Illusion is the biggest flop of the decade, imo. I mean...the LEAD single from Lady Gaga, after its initial debut, had consistent red updates for 2 weeks straight that not even the album release date, the album COVER, and the video could stop. And what....6 weeks on the Hot 100? For a lead? What was "Run the World's (Girl)" chart run like? I know it certainly peaked lower. Considering Beyonce's position in the industry, it seemed to be a even a bigger flop "Perfect Illusion."
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Post by Troublemaker on Jul 9, 2018 8:15:23 GMT -5
What was "Run the World's (Girl)" chart run like? I know it certainly peaked lower. Considering Beyonce's position in the industry, it seemed to be a even a bigger flop "Perfect Illusion." Run the World's (Girl) spent 13 weeks on Hot 100 (peaking @ 29), 5 weeks on rhythmic charts (peaking @ 20), 14 weeks on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs (peaking @30), 2 weeks on pop songs (peaking @ 37) and 12 weeks on dance charts (peaking @ 1 for one week)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 8:42:03 GMT -5
It's too bad the prerequisite for this 'biggest flops with stats' thing is being a previously successful artist I always wanna write an essay on this general topic - how we tend to tether artists to a project(s) that had incredible success, and anything less successful from that point on is a disappointment or a flop. I look at it more like massive eras or singles are strokes of luck - lightning in a bottle - and the rest is/are varying degrees of successful. A hugely successful project is often a curse, because expectations become so high that it only sets you up to "flop" in the future. Whereas, if you don't have a huge era or single, you can continue on your own level of success (or lack thereof) without ever being viewed as a flop. None of this is to say I don't recognize when something is a disappointment or a flop, but for me it's usually either quality-related (subjective), or like you mentioned, something that fails to hit despite a lot of backing from the label, etc.
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Post by rainie on Sept 22, 2018 17:07:39 GMT -5
So Downtown’s Dead only reached the 90s on the hot 100 and spent under 10 weeks on the country charts after Body Like a Back Road became one of the biggest country hits of the 2010s. Yeah I’d say that qualifies.
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Post by Gekkouga on Jan 19, 2019 0:25:58 GMT -5
Shanice's "21... Ways to Grow" era is probably one of the biggest flops of all time esp coming after such big pop hits like I Love Your Smile and Saving Forever For You. The album peaked at #184 on the B200
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Post by collegedropout on Jan 19, 2019 13:39:55 GMT -5
Wow had no idea that Carly Hennesy girl even happened. That song isn't bad but she looks and sounds old. The label should have saw that. There was no way she was going to make it big like that.
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Post by bat1990 on Jan 19, 2019 22:24:57 GMT -5
Several Missy Elliott videos cost like 1-2 million, wonder if that money ever came back to label when She's a Bitch for example was a huge #90 smash (and the album barely went platinum). I love Missy so it's not that but there was a proper hyperbole back then. Maybe that's why the Hot Boyz video was a lot cheaper, and then it became a top 10, lol!
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Post by rainie on Nov 21, 2022 2:00:50 GMT -5
Joker. And. The. Fucking. Thief
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