Billboard Hot 100: 11/11/2017

[areyoureadytojump]

^That's regular radio promotion, not a radio deal.

[kindofbiased]

Even with radio deals it will take some good promo to make Bedroom Floor a hit, it's tanked on iTunes and US Spotify.

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:

November 10, 1962

01 01 He's a Rebel - The Crystals (2nd and final week at #1)
02 06 Big Girls Don't Cry - The Four Seasons
03 05 All Alone Am I - Brenda Lee
04 10 Return To Sender - Elvis Presley
05 02 Only Love Can Break a Heart - Gene Pitney
06 09 Next Door To An Angel - Neil Sedaka
07 07 Gina - Johnny Mathis
08 04 Monster Mash - Bobby "Boris" Pickett & The Crypt-Kickers
09 03 Do You Love Me - The Contours
10 14 Popeye The Hitchhiker - Chubby Checker


November 11, 1967

01 01 To Sir With Love - Lulu (4th of 5 weeks at #1)
02 02 Soul Man - Sam & Dave
03 03 It Must Be Him - Vicki Carr
04 07 Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock
05 05 Your Precious Love - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
06 09 The Rain, The Park And Other Things - The Cowsills
07 10 Please Love Me Forever - Bobby Vinton
08 08 (You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman - Aretha Franklin
09 04 Expressway (To Your Heart) - The Soul Survivors
10 06 Never My Love - The Association


November 11, 1972

01 01 I Can See Clearly Now - Johnny Nash (2nd of 4 weeks at #1)
02 02 Nights In White Satin - The Moody Blues
03 08 I'd Love You To Want Me - Lobo
04 04 Freddie's Dead (Theme From Superfly) - Curtis Mayfield
05 07 I'll Be Around - The Spinners
06 06 Garden Party - Rick Nelson & The Stone Canyon Band
07 03 My Ding-A-Ling - Chuck Berry
08 12 I Am Woman - Helen Reddy
09 26 Convention '72 - The Delegates
10 15 Witchy Woman - The Eagles


November 12, 1977

01 01 You Light Up My Life - Debby Boone (5th of 10 weeks at #1)
02 03 Boogie Nights - Heatwave
03 02 Nobody Does It Better - Carly Simon
04 06 It's Ecstasy When You Lay Down Next To Me - Barry White
05 08 Don't It Make My Brown Eyes Blue - Crystal Gayle
06 07 I Feel Love - Donna Summer
07 09 Baby, What a Big Surprise - Chicago
08 10 Heaven On The 7th Floor - Paul Nicholas
09 11 How Deep Is Your Love - The Bee Gees
10 13 We're All Alone - Rita Coolidge

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:

November 13, 1982

01 01 Up Where We Belong - Joe Cocker & Jennifer Warnes (2nd of 3 weeks at #1)
02 10 Truly - Lionel Richie
03 03 Heart Attack - Olivia Newton-John
04 09 Gloria - Laura Branigan
05 07 Heartlight - Neil Diamond
06 02 Who Can It Be Now? - Men At Work
07 05 Jack And Diane - John (Cougar) Mellencamp
08 08 You Can Do Magic - America
09 04 I Keep Forgettin' (Every Time You're Near) - Michael McDonald
10 14 Muscles - Diana Ross

12 36 Maneater - Daryl Hall & John Oates


November 14, 1987

01 01 I Think We're Alone Now - Tiffany (2nd and final week at #1)
02 03 Mony Mony (Live) - Billy Idol
03 06 (I've Had) The Time Of My Life - Bill Medley & Jennifer Warnes
04 04 Little Lies - Fleetwood Mac
05 11 Heaven Is a Place On Earth - Belinda Carlisle
06 07 Breakout - Swing Out Sister
07 08 Brilliant Disguise - Bruce Springsteen
08 02 Causing a Commotion - Madonna
09 10 It's a Sin - The Pet Shop Boys
10 14 Should've Known Better - Richard Marx


November 14, 1992

01 02 How Do You Talk To An Angel - The Heights (1st of 2 weeks at #1)
02 01 End Of The Road - Boyz II Men
03 03 I'd Die Without You - P.M. Dawn
04 12 If I Ever Fall In Love - Shai
05 04 Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough - Patty Smyth & Don Henley
06 08 Rump Shaker - Wreckx-N-Effect
07 07 Rhythm Is a Dancer - Snap!
08 10 What About Your Friends - TLC
09 05 Erotica - Madonna
10 06 Jump Around - House Of Pain


November 8, 1997

01 01 Candle In The Wind 1997 / Something About The Way You Look Tonight - Elton John (5th of 14 weeks at #1)
02 02 You Make Me Wanna... - Usher
03 03 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
04 04 4 Seasons Of Loneliness - Boyz II Men
05 05 All Cried Out - Allure feat. 112
06 06 My Love Is The Shhh! - Somethin' For The People feat. Trina & Tamara
07 07 Foolish Games / You Were Meant For Me - Jewel
08 10 Tubthumping - Chumbawumba
09 08 Quit Playing Games (With My Heart) - The Backstreet Boys
10 12 The One I Gave My Heart To - Aaliyah

[Choco]

Seeing Erotica on the 1992 chart reminded me of it's very frontloaded chart run.

13-3-5-5-9-13-18-25-38-48-59-57-60-61-72-86-85-97-off

By comparison, LWYMMD did fine with it's 3 weeks at #1. Much like that one, airplay was the main reason it died quickly:

Hot 100 Airplay: 2-2-5-6-9-20-30-40-56-69-off

[Soulsista]

Billboard Top 10 Flashback:

November 9, 2002

01 02 Lose Yourself - Eminem (1st of 12 weeks at #1)
02 01 Dilemma - Nelly feat. Kelly Rowland
03 04 Work It - Missy Elliott
04 03 Hey Ma - Cam'ron feat. Juelz Santana, Freekey Zekey & Toya
05 05 A Moment Like This - Kelly Clarkson
06 08 Underneath It All - No Doubt feat. Lady Saw
07 07 Luv U Better - LL Cool J
08 18 Die Another Day - Madonna
09 09 The Game Of Love - Santana feat. Michelle Branch
10 06 Gangsta Lovin' - Eve feat. Alicia Keys


November 10, 2007

01 02 Kiss Kiss - Chris Brown feat. T-Pain (1st of 3 weeks at #1)
02 03 Apologize - Timbaland feat. OneRepublic
03 01 Crank That (Soulja Boy) - Soulja Boy
04 04 No One - Alicia Keys
05 05 Bubbly - Colbie Caillat
06 06 Stronger - Kanye West
07 08 Good Life - Kanye West feat. T-Pain
08 07 Cyclone - Baby Bash feat. T-Pain
09 09 Hate That I Love You - Rihanna feat. Ne-Yo
10 10 The Way I Are - Timbaland feat. Keri Hilson


November 10, 2012

01 01 One More Night - Maroon 5 (7th of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Gangnam Style - PSY
03 03 Some Nights - fun.
04 05 Die Young - Ke$ha
05 08 Diamonds - Rihanna
06 06 As Long As You Love Me - Justin Bieber feat. Big Sean
07 15 Locked Out Of Heaven - Bruno Mars
08 07 Too Close - Alex Clare
09 09 Let Me Love You (Until You Learn To Love Yourself) - Ne-Yo
10 11 Don't Wake Me Up - Chris Brown


November 12, 2016

01 01 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey (11th of 12 weeks at #1)
02 02 Starboy - The Weeknd feat. Daft Punk
03 03 Heathens - Twenty One Pilots
04 04 Let Me Love You - DJ Snake feat. Justin Bieber
05 05 Broccoli - D.R.A.M. feat. Lil' Yachty
06 06 24K Magic - Bruno Mars
07 08 Side To Side - Ariana Grande feat. Nicki Minaj
08 07 Cold Water - Major Lazer feat. Justin Bieber & MO
09 13 Juju On That Beat (TZ Anthem) - Zay Hilfigerrr & Zaylon McCall
10 11 I Hate U I Love U - Gnash feat. Olivia O'Brien

[kindofbiased]

Oct 29, 2017 12:30:09 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

November 10, 2012

01 01 One More Night - Maroon 5 (7th of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Gangnam Style - PSY
03 03 Some Nights - fun.
04 05 Die Young - Ke$ha
05 08 Diamonds - Rihanna
06 06 As Long As You Love Me - Justin Bieber feat. Big Sean
07 15 Locked Out Of Heaven - Bruno Mars
08 07 Too Close - Alex Clare
09 09 Let Me Love You (Until You Learn To Love Yourself) - Ne-Yo
10 11 Don't Wake Me Up - Chris Brown

Beautiful

[Bwol]

Oct 29, 2017 12:36:30 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Oct 29, 2017 12:30:09 GMT -5 Soulsista said:

November 10, 2012

01 01 One More Night - Maroon 5 (7th of 9 weeks at #1)
02 02 Gangnam Style - PSY
03 03 Some Nights - fun.
04 05 Die Young - Ke$ha
05 08 Diamonds - Rihanna
06 06 As Long As You Love Me - Justin Bieber feat. Big Sean
07 15 Locked Out Of Heaven - Bruno Mars
08 07 Too Close - Alex Clare
09 09 Let Me Love You (Until You Learn To Love Yourself) - Ne-Yo
10 11 Don't Wake Me Up - Chris Brown

Beautiful

OK TRUE 2012 was so goooood 😭

[Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ]

Kiss Kiss blocked Apologize. So saaad week.

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 13:40:33 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Kiss Kiss blocked Apologize. So saaad week.

I love both songs but Apologize certainly deserved at least one week at #1. Well, it's the biggest #2 of the century.

[singingrulebritannia]

Oct 29, 2017 14:01:22 GMT -5 fhas said:

Well, it's the biggest #2 of the century.

Not Thinking Out Loud?

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 14:45:12 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Oct 29, 2017 14:01:22 GMT -5 fhas said:

Well, it's the biggest #2 of the century.

Not Thinking Out Loud?

No. Apologize was much bigger than TOL.

#10 decade-end Hot 100
#10 decade-end Radio Songs
#10 decade-end Digital Songs

Also, Counting Stars is the biggest #2 of the 2010s. Poor, One Republic.

*Radioactive (#3 peak in 2013) is the biggest non-#1 of the decade.

Other 2010s non-#1 hits that were bigger than TOL:

Dynamite (#2 in 2010)
Trap Queen (#2 in 2015)
Hey Soul Sister (#3 in 2010)

[Au$tin]

Can't really use decade charts to confirm that when TOL's decade hasn't ended.

I would also argue Dynamite and Trap Queen are nowhere near TOL in terms of success. Counting Stars is also questionable.

Using #3 peaking songs also doesn't make sense since the criteria is "#2 peaking songs."

[Bwol]

Oct 29, 2017 15:04:33 GMT -5 fhas said:

Oct 29, 2017 14:45:12 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Not Thinking Out Loud?

No. Apologize was much bigger than TOL.

#10 decade-end Hot 100
#10 decade-end Radio Songs
#10 decade-end Digital Songs

Also, Counting Stars is the biggest #2 of the 2010s. Poor, One Republic.

*Radioactive (#3 peak in 2013) is the biggest non-#1 of the decade.

Other 2010s non-#1 hits that were bigger than TOL:

Dynamite (#2 in 2010)
Trap Queen (#2 in 2015)
Hey Soul Sister (#3 in 2010)

All those songs make me jealous of those years. 2016 and 2017 can go away 🤧.

[Deleted]

Really out of topic, but these are the most robbed songs to peak at #2 imo:

Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen
In The End - Linkin Park
I Don't Wanna Know - Mario Winans f/ Enya & P. Diddy (not that i like the song, but it spent 8 consecutive weeks at #2, blocked by 2 Usher songs)
Boulevard Of Broken Dreams - Green Day
Smack That - Akon f/ Eminem
Apologize - OneRepublic (and whale sounds)
Party In The U.S.A - Miley Cyrus
You Belong With Me - Taylor Swift
Bad Romance - Lady Gaga
Airplanes - B.o.B f/ Hayley Williams
Dynamite - Taio Cruz
Gangnam Style - PSY
Get Lucky - Daft Punk f/ Pharrell Williams
Counting Stars - OneRepublic
Take Me To Church - Hozier
Hotline Bling - Drake

[Deleted]

Oct 29, 2017 15:04:33 GMT -5 fhas said:

No. Apologize was much bigger than TOL.

#10 decade-end Hot 100
#10 decade-end Radio Songs
#10 decade-end Digital Songs

Also, Counting Stars is the biggest #2 of the 2010s. Poor, OneRepublic.

*Radioactive (#3 peak in 2013) is the biggest non-#1 of the decade.*

OneRepublic was so screwed by having those masterpieces peaking at #2.

At least they had HUGE longevity and ended up being bigger than the songs that blocked them (Kiss Kiss/Apologize and Timber/Counting Stars).

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 15:34:55 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Can't really use decade charts to confirm that when TOL's decade hasn't ended.

I would also argue Dynamite and Trap Queen are nowhere near TOL in terms of success. Counting Stars is also questionable.

Using #3 peaking songs also doesn't make sense since the criteria is "#2 peaking songs."

1. These are the songs that Billboard will consider the biggest hits, not what we think is bigger. Even with other methodologies, I don't think that TOL would've been the biggest #2 hit.

2. I agree that TOL is bigger than Trap Queen, but that's just my opinion, not what is going to appear on the decade-end chart. I can't say the same about Dynamite, tho. Don't forget that Dynamite was the biggest #2 hit using Ride's real point system and that it won "Top Hot 100 Song" at the 2011 BBMA. 

3. I used #3 peaking songs to show how far TOL is from being the biggest #2 of the decade.

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 15:41:13 GMT -5 @snoopdawg said:

Apologize - OneRepublic (and whale sounds)

#RespectForTimbo his version of the song turned a 70-ish peak song into one of the biggest hits of the decade.

[Harx]

Oct 29, 2017 15:41:13 GMT -5 @snoopdawg said:

Really out of topic, but these are the most robbed songs to peak at #2 imo:

Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen

I wouldn't say that Bohemian Rhapsody was robbed, it actually was lucky since it got its #2 peak almost 20 years after its initial run

"I Fall Apart" is 2017's "Bohemian Rhapsody" in a way

[Deleted]

Oct 29, 2017 16:09:33 GMT -5 Harx said:

Oct 29, 2017 15:41:13 GMT -5 @snoopdawg said:

Really out of topic, but these are the most robbed songs to peak at #2 imo:

Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen

I wouldn't say that Bohemian Rhapsody was robbed, it actually was lucky since it got its #2 peak almost 20 years after its initial run

"I Fall Apart" is 2017's "Bohemian Rhapsody" in a way

yeah but it's such a classic, it shouldnt have been lucky to be a #2, it should've gone #1

[Au$tin]

Oct 29, 2017 15:59:47 GMT -5 fhas said:

Oct 29, 2017 15:34:55 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Can't really use decade charts to confirm that when TOL's decade hasn't ended.

I would also argue Dynamite and Trap Queen are nowhere near TOL in terms of success. Counting Stars is also questionable.

Using #3 peaking songs also doesn't make sense since the criteria is "#2 peaking songs."

1. These are the songs that Billboard will consider the biggest hits, not what we think is bigger. Even with other methodologies, I don't think that TOL would've been the biggest #2 hit.

2. I agree that TOL is bigger than Trap Queen, but that's just my opinion, not what is going to appear on the decade-end chart. I can't say the same about Dynamite, tho. Don't forget that Dynamite was the biggest #2 hit using Ride's real point system and that it won "Top Hot 100 Song" at the 2011 BBMA. 

3. I used #3 peaking songs to show how far TOL is from being the biggest #2 of the decade.

1. And I repeat, you used a decade chart for 2000-2009 to talk about how a song from that time frame is bigger than a song from 2010-2019... in 2017. That's nonsensical no matter how you want to slice it.

2. How could you possibly know where two songs are going to land on a decade end chart that won't be released for another 2 years? Billboard could completely change their methodology on how they calculate these lists. Now I will admit I was in the wrong in assuming we were talking about overall, not just in chart terms. I do want to note, though, that just because Billboard claims something doesn't make it true. "Closer" may be wildly more successful than "What About Us," but which song do you think my mother knows? It's all about perspective and the long term. "Thinking Out Loud" will outlive

3. Any song that peaked at #3 has no merit when discussing biggest #2 songs because peaks do not matter when it comes to long term discussions. Peaks strictly talk about what happened in a specific week and even a #27 peaking song can outlive a #1 peaking song when it comes to collective consciousness of music. The topic was "biggest #2 song," therefore bringing up anything that didn't peak at #2 is about a holy of an argument as Swiss cheese.

ugh this isn't worth my time why do i care

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 16:23:29 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 29, 2017 15:59:47 GMT -5 fhas said:

1. These are the songs that Billboard will consider the biggest hits, not what we think is bigger. Even with other methodologies, I don't think that TOL would've been the biggest #2 hit.

2. I agree that TOL is bigger than Trap Queen, but that's just my opinion, not what is going to appear on the decade-end chart. I can't say the same about Dynamite, tho. Don't forget that Dynamite was the biggest #2 hit using Ride's real point system and that it won "Top Hot 100 Song" at the 2011 BBMA. 

3. I used #3 peaking songs to show how far TOL is from being the biggest #2 of the decade.

1. And I repeat, you used a decade chart for 2000-2009 to talk about how a song from that time frame is bigger than a song from 2010-2019... in 2017. That's nonsensical no matter how you want to slice it.

2. How could you possibly know where two songs are going to land on a decade end chart that won't be released for another 2 years? Billboard could completely change their methodology on how they calculate these lists. Now I will admit I was in the wrong in assuming we were talking about overall, not just in chart terms. I do want to note, though, that just because Billboard claims something doesn't make it true. "Closer" may be wildly more successful than "What About Us," but which song do you think my mother knows? It's all about perspective and the long term. "Thinking Out Loud" will outlive

3. Any song that peaked at #3 has no merit when discussing biggest #2 songs because peaks do not matter when it comes to long term discussions. Peaks strictly talk about what happened in a specific week and even a #27 peaking song can outlive a #1 peaking song when it comes to collective consciousness of music. The topic was "biggest #2 song," therefore bringing up anything that didn't peak at #2 is about a holy of an argument as Swiss cheese.

ugh this isn't worth my time why do i care

If the 10th biggest hit of the 2000s is not bigger than the 35-45th biggest hit of the 2010s...

It's obvious that I'm using George's point system and it's incredibly accurate if you compare it with the GOAT list. I'm talking about charts. We're in the Chart Discussion thread. I'm not talking about most iconic, most "successful in 2017" song, etc. 

#3 peaking songs: That's your opinion and I completely disagree. Peaks do matter, they just aren't the defining point in a chart run. Idk why you're so mad about it.

We're in a peaceful place to discuss about charts.

[Gary]

The Bohemian Rhapsody discussion is kind of silly

Chart peak position has ZERO to do with how well a songs holds up over time or how big of a hit it really is.

Bohemian Rhapsody is in a short list of songs to make the top ten twice - EVER.

In a chart that only measures a 7 day period, being #1 only means you had the biggest song in the country for that seven day period only.

I agree with much of what Austin is saying the other discussion.

Using decade charts from different time periods to say one song is bigger than another is the same as using weekly charts to make that comparison. Let's forget for a moment that the 2010s decade is not out and the decade is not over. And assume the prediction threads people are relying on are accurate.

Saying a song that finished at #10 in one decade is any bigger or less of a hit than a high peaking song from a completely different decade is like saying a song that peaked at #1 in July is much bigger than a #3 song from today simply because the peak is higher is nonsense.

[Gary]

Oct 29, 2017 16:57:37 GMT -5 fhas said:

Oct 29, 2017 16:23:29 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

1. And I repeat, you used a decade chart for 2000-2009 to talk about how a song from that time frame is bigger than a song from 2010-2019... in 2017. That's nonsensical no matter how you want to slice it.

2. How could you possibly know where two songs are going to land on a decade end chart that won't be released for another 2 years? Billboard could completely change their methodology on how they calculate these lists. Now I will admit I was in the wrong in assuming we were talking about overall, not just in chart terms. I do want to note, though, that just because Billboard claims something doesn't make it true. "Closer" may be wildly more successful than "What About Us," but which song do you think my mother knows? It's all about perspective and the long term. "Thinking Out Loud" will outlive

3. Any song that peaked at #3 has no merit when discussing biggest #2 songs because peaks do not matter when it comes to long term discussions. Peaks strictly talk about what happened in a specific week and even a #27 peaking song can outlive a #1 peaking song when it comes to collective consciousness of music. The topic was "biggest #2 song," therefore bringing up anything that didn't peak at #2 is about a holy of an argument as Swiss cheese.

ugh this isn't worth my time why do i care

If the 10th biggest hit of the 2000s is not bigger than the 35-45th biggest hit of the 2010s...

It's obvious that I'm using George's point system and it's incredibly accurate if you compare it with the GOAT list. I'm talking about charts. We're in the Chart Discussion thread. I'm not talking about most iconic, most "successful in 2017" song, etc. ters

#3 peaking songs: That's your opinion and I completely disagree. Peaks do matter, they just aren't the defining point in a chart run. Idk why you're so mad about it.

We're in a peaceful place to discuss about charts.

I agree with Austin


The prediction threads you are quoting are opinions only - and not  actually factual.  That is why it is a "prediction thread"

It is also quite possible that the 10th biggest song of the 2000s is not bigger than the 35th biggest of 2010s.   Different time periods for starters, difficult to compare accurately.

Peaks mean ZERO in how big a hit is.  The longer chart run is what matters.  It is not always true, for example that  #1 peaking song is a bigger hit than a #3 or #10 peaking song for that matter

[kindofbiased]

Oct 29, 2017 13:33:34 GMT -5 Bwol said:

Oct 29, 2017 12:36:30 GMT -5 kindofbiased said:

Beautiful

OK TRUE 2012 was so goooood 😭

2nd best year for the charts this decade, after 2015

[Bwol]

Everything is such a mess right now in terms of what I like being high on the charts. In 2012 I would’ve liked pretty much everything, but today we have gucci gang slaying and rockstar at number 1. WHERE IS THE BOP??? Havana is nice, but I need me a Blank Space😭.

Btw no hate intended for those of you who love this chart year! I just personally need to rant.

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 17:15:14 GMT -5 Gary said:

Oct 29, 2017 16:57:37 GMT -5 fhas said:

If the 10th biggest hit of the 2000s is not bigger than the 35-45th biggest hit of the 2010s...

It's obvious that I'm using George's point system and it's incredibly accurate if you compare it with the GOAT list. I'm talking about charts. We're in the Chart Discussion thread. I'm not talking about most iconic, most "successful in 2017" song, etc. ters

#3 peaking songs: That's your opinion and I completely disagree. Peaks do matter, they just aren't the defining point in a chart run. Idk why you're so mad about it.

We're in a peaceful place to discuss about charts.

I agree with Austin


The prediction threads you are quoting are opinions only - and not  actually factual.  That is why it is a "prediction thread"

It is also quite possible that the 10th biggest song of the 2000s is not bigger than the 35th biggest of 2010s.   Different time periods for starters, difficult to compare accurately.

Peaks mean ZERO in how big a hit is.  The longer chart run is what matters.  It is not always true, for example that  #1 peaking song is a bigger hit than a #3 or #10 peaking song for that matter

The predictions thread use a fairly accurate point system and since both songs peaked before the GOAT list was released in November 2015 it's even more accurate. TOL isn't close to Counting Stars, so it's hard to believe that George's system is wrong.



I wouldn't take seriously a chart where the 35th (TOL will finish below 35 or even 45, tho) biggest hit of a decade is bigger than the 10th biggest hit of other decade. That point system would be a joke to allow such discrepancy.



In an inverse point system peaks matter. Song X that peaked at #2 achieved an amount of points in a given week that song Y that peaked at #3 never achieved. Like I said, peaks aren't the definition of a song's chart success, but they do matter.

[fhas]

Oct 29, 2017 18:00:46 GMT -5 Bwol said:

Everything is such a mess right now in terms of what I like being high on the charts. In 2012 I would’ve liked pretty much everything, but today we have gucci gang slaying and rockstar at number 1. WHERE IS THE BOP??? Havana is nice, but I need me a Blank Space😭.

Btw no hate intended for those of you who love this chart year! I just personally need to rant.

I know how you feel about 2017's pop. As a rap fan I didn't like 2012. IMO, that was the worst year of the decade. It's crazy how different the charts are in just 5 years. 

*Edit: I remember how happy I was when Whistle dethroned Call Me Maybe. I think you'll feel the same if Havana goes #1 after rockstar's reign

[Gary]

The "prediction thread" is a "prediction" - period. Until Billboard publishes something, those charts are someone's interpretation of what will happen and nothing official. I get that it is an "educated guess" but it is still a GUESS.

The peak in a 7 day chart only matters for that 7 day period.

Beyond that means zero.

Simple example:
I would argue for example that a song that peaks at #2 for 2 weeks then quickly disappears, may not necessarily be a bigger hit than a song that peaks at #4 for 6 weeks.

Real example: Don't Stop Believin', Arguably the #1 song of the 80s - peaked at #9 in its initial release.
The earlier discussed Bohemian Rhapsody, released twice and hit the top 10 twice, I would argue, a much bigger hit than many #1 songs.

[fhas]

I'm talking about charts. Don't Stop Believin' is not the biggest hit of the 80s from a charts view.