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Post by born on Mar 9, 2018 9:46:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised she hasn't released any teaser or anything yet. She usually does so.
Also, I literally saw the video in a questionable?!? dream last night. I'd rather not talk about it lol
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Post by greentoo on Mar 9, 2018 10:53:27 GMT -5
I'm surprised she hasn't released any teaser or anything yet. She usually does so. Also, I literally saw the video in a questionable?!? dream last night. I'd rather not talk about it lol She put something on her Instagram story didn’t she? Announcing the video for Sunday 12th.
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Post by deepston on Mar 9, 2018 11:00:28 GMT -5
#46 on HAC I can see this doing well in Pop, AC and HAC. This is exactly the song Taylor needs, let's hope the video doesn't fuck it up.
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Post by pja on Mar 9, 2018 12:09:14 GMT -5
If Taylor really wanted to revive the era, she'd do a big sitdown interview to discuss what happened to her, followed by a performance. I saw the coverage of trial firsthand here in Denver, which was before MeToo exploded, so I get why she's chosen to stay out of view. She wouldn’t dare to do interviews. She’s afraid of the Kanye/Kim questions. She would get questions like, why would you lie about the situation? You obviously knew the lyric before it got released. Do you do things like this all the time? How about a sincere apology to Kanye & Kim? Maybe they will forget you. She didn’t lie.....try again
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Post by fearlessarrow on Mar 9, 2018 13:22:11 GMT -5
I also think that she should cut herself off from Joseph Khan at some point in the very near future. I think it's pretty likely that associating herself so much with a person like him would come back to bite her sometime in the future.
Maybe it's just among my friends that are super liberal, but do people accuse her of being a Trump supporter? I've had friends who got turned off just for that reason and wouldn't listen to Taylor anymore while Taylor herself never commented on it.
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Post by ampersand on Mar 9, 2018 13:39:50 GMT -5
I also think that she should cut herself off from Joseph Khan at some point in the very near future. I think it's pretty likely that associating herself so much with a person like him would come back to bite her sometime in the future. Maybe it's just among my friends that are super liberal, but do people accuse her of being a Trump supporter? I've had friends who got turned off just for that reason and wouldn't listen to Taylor anymore while Taylor herself never commented on it. I've seen this rumour being thrown around as if it were fact on gossip sites like ONTD, but there isn't any particularly compelling evidence to support this theory outside of the fact that she hasn't outright condemned Trump. I think the issue most people have, however, is that she's remained strictly apolitical, and some have interpreted this as an admission that she either a) supports Trump or b) doesn't want to alienate her republican fanbase, which people (again, on the internet) believe is a sign of her being a greedy capitalist. I personally don't have a horse in this race, however, and don't know anyone irl who actually believes this.
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Post by nickd on Mar 9, 2018 16:16:54 GMT -5
My guess is that her political leanings are centre-left and she probably voted for Hillary Clinton. Most of the people she associates with seem to be liberal, she's shown support of the LGBT community, but her parents seem fairly centrist, she had a Catholic upbringing and values family and decorum. She doesn't come up in conversation with my friends much but so far I haven't seen her political leanings get brought up.
Anyways, it seems like the photos Joseph Kahn tweeted were of a film set that was outdoors, in a field in the countryside (on a sunny winter day) so hopefully it will have some bright daytime scenes?
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Post by irice22 on Mar 9, 2018 16:52:37 GMT -5
People mostly accuse her of being politically apathetic rather than being a Trump supporter.
Ultimately she’s smart to keep her political leanings to herself. If she’s a Hillary supporter, she has a huge fan base rooted in country music. She saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks.
If she’s a Trump supporter, I think the criticism would speak for itself
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Post by born on Mar 9, 2018 17:25:09 GMT -5
Debuts at #653 on the Overall Audience chart. Smash alert!
PS: "End Game" just fell like 200 positions to #514 lol. It's currently charting below "Wildest Dreams", "Style", "Blank Space" and "Bad Blood".
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Post by nickd on Mar 9, 2018 18:48:09 GMT -5
People mostly accuse her of being politically apathetic rather than being a Trump supporter. Ultimately she’s smart to keep her political leanings to herself. If she’s a Hillary supporter, she has a huge fan base rooted in country music. She saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks. If she’s a Trump supporter, I think the criticism would speak for itself IDK if she has that many Trump supporting fans. Even when she was in country most of her fans were young and female, both demographics that skew Democrat. This is from Oct 31, 2014 so when she was only just beginning to attract pop fans en-masse and her fan-base already skewed more left than any other country act. Not as far left as pop fans but about on par with hard rock fans. www.altpress.com/news/entry/this_chart_shows_which_music_democrats_and_republicans_likeBut regardless of whether she would alienate a lot of fans by denouncing Trump I think once she bows to demands to make her stance on one political issue known she'll have less of a leg to stand on if she wants to keep her views on other issues private. Like maybe she'd alienate Republican fans by speaking out against Trump but maybe she's still opposed to government funded abortions and that could alienate some of her Democrat fans. I also feel like it's too late to speak out anyways now because it won't look like it's out of choice. A lot of people would claim she's only denouncing Trump due to public pressure and maybe she doesn't mean it, and others would just start thinking they can pressure her into speaking out against whatever other issues they want.
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Post by nickd on Mar 9, 2018 18:55:11 GMT -5
Debuts at #653 on the Overall Audience chart. Smash alert! PS: "End Game" just fell like 200 positions to #514 lol. It's currently charting below "Wildest Dreams", "Style", "Blank Space" and "Bad Blood". Anyone know what her previous singles were at the day before they went for adds?
Also just realized RFI is still #20 on HAC here in Canada...
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Post by deepston on Mar 10, 2018 10:27:50 GMT -5
I will be giving some radio updates until it gets sent to radio/hits top 40. #44 on HAC with 142 spins.
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Post by forg on Mar 10, 2018 11:00:48 GMT -5
Sharing her political views is a no-win situation for Taylor Swift so it was better that she kept it for herself. She already attracts controversies on her own, no need to add another one.I mean it already is a cause of controversy that she does not speak up politically what more if she does, she would get hate either way. I bet even if she speaks out people would still be skeptical if it's sincere or not . I like this song, I hope it does better this time
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 11:11:18 GMT -5
I for one am very happy she keeps working with Joseph and I'm grateful for everything he's accomplished with her last two videos
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Post by jjose712 on Mar 10, 2018 14:39:12 GMT -5
Taylor chose to work with someone who posts problematic things like thisIsn't this a sarcastic tweet? Joseph Kahn is super against pitbulls and guns and etc. Just check his twitter. I think it's quite obvious that the tweet is sarcastic, people who really think that (and it seems in America there are a lot) are way more sutile and often mention condolences (offer prayers is the best way to send a positive message without really doing anything at all) while angrily defend the second amendment (like if the right to defense has something to do with military weapons). Frankly, i didn't hear this yet but i didn't like any of her singles this era (LWYMMD is my fave, and that song is very far from being one of Taylor's best songs) but she keeps selling albums, yes, not a the same rate like she was having hit after hit, but she keeps selling albums and that's a very good sign. If i was her i will include a couple of countrified song in her next album. Country fans will love them and it'll add some variety to the sound of the album (but maybe i'm not fair because Safe and sound Taylor is my favourite Taylor)
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Post by survivorqt on Mar 10, 2018 21:28:25 GMT -5
My local rhythmic station started playing this
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Post by born on Mar 11, 2018 5:33:56 GMT -5
About 15-16 hours left and still no teaser or promotional picture.
Is this for... the best?
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Post by Az Paynter on Mar 11, 2018 7:14:02 GMT -5
Wow, didn't even have to wait for the final update for it to be pulled in.
POP: 84 49 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 291 64 227 2.618
HOT AC: 53 43 TAYLOR SWIFT Delicate 180 60 120 1.240
+24 Spins +18 Bullet +0.113 Audience
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Post by born on Mar 11, 2018 7:31:17 GMT -5
The "Shape Of You" of 2018 has arrived. Get ready Mariah, here comes a critically acclaimed, Grammy winning 22-week #1 smash.
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Post by deepston on Mar 11, 2018 7:47:09 GMT -5
Smash!
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Post by itsaboutart on Mar 11, 2018 7:55:48 GMT -5
If this ends up being a hit I’m gonna be okay with pop radio again.
Best song by a pop artist for me of 2017.
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Post by rickroller on Mar 11, 2018 8:03:17 GMT -5
Be Taylor's "The Edge Of Glory" please.
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Post by toomuchboy on Mar 11, 2018 8:43:29 GMT -5
Ultimately she’s smart to keep her political leanings to herself. If she’s a Hillary supporter, she has a huge fan base rooted in country music. She saw what happened to the Dixie Chicks. If she’s a Trump supporter, I think the criticism would speak for itself I think this ship sailed when she allowed white supremacists and Neo-Nazis to re-purpose her lyrics without comment or legal action, and instead threatened to sue a blogger for calling her out for it.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 11, 2018 10:00:52 GMT -5
Yawn, yawn, and yawn at all the political talk. Throughout the years it has been perfectly acceptable, and met without backlash, for musicians (all entertainers really) to not speak publicly or freely about their political positions for a various number of reasons. It's her damn prerogative to do so or not to do so, but, ya know, people need reasons to complain about something. lol Taylor has millions of people watching her meticulously expecting her to teeter the ever so faintest line to meet their expectations, when in the end she will always fall in line with their preconceived mock-up of who they believe she is. She is always going to be displeasing someone. Best to follow what works for herself.
Eta: Didn't said above blogger also liken her to Hitler in that article?
Hope this does well.
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Post by Bwol on Mar 11, 2018 10:06:48 GMT -5
If you are going to hate someone based on your suspicion that they are a trump supporter, you’re no better than them.
Taylor can think what she wants.
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Post by Grün on Mar 11, 2018 10:15:43 GMT -5
Heard this on the radio for the first time last night. It sounded so good, however; I am still hesitant that this will be a hit, but I am exceedingly hopeful. Ready and willing to get my heart broken again hahaha.
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Post by toomuchboy on Mar 11, 2018 11:04:37 GMT -5
Yawn, yawn, and yawn at all the political talk. Throughout the years it has been perfectly acceptable, and met without backlash, for musicians (all entertainers really) to not speak publicly or freely about their political positions for a various number of reasons. The point is that she didn't stay out of it. She takes legal action at the drop of a dime, but not when the scum of the world are exploiting her songs? Denouncing Neo-Nazis and white supremacists is not the same as making a comment about Trump/Hillary, Republican/Democrat, etc. She's already shown her hand; staying out of it is impossible for her at this point.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 11, 2018 12:46:18 GMT -5
Yawn, yawn, and yawn at all the political talk. Throughout the years it has been perfectly acceptable, and met without backlash, for musicians (all entertainers really) to not speak publicly or freely about their political positions for a various number of reasons. The point is that she didn't stay out of it. Uh, yeah, she did. Addressing potential and probable legal action with a blogger privately, who then chooses to make said interaction public, is not the same as Taylor herself addressing anything openly and publicly. If people want to believe Taylor is akin to Hitler (as the blogger does) or is a nazi because she's not vehemently denouncing a few tweets featuring her own lyrics that were grossly misued by a publication with far-right ideologies, then so be it. That's their hangup. But she IS choosing not to address the situation publicly. Imagine if every single time a percieved "bad group or individual" quoted an artist's lyric, or utilized a celebrity's image unjustly to their benefit, we would have entertainers making headlines every minute of everyday with their denouncements. Would I have said something? Probably. Still I am sure she has her reasons, but to say she is a nazi a white supremacist or Hitler (as some circling your argument love to) is just an extremist's leap and a tad bit moronic.
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Post by toomuchboy on Mar 11, 2018 12:56:20 GMT -5
Then why didn't she sue said white supremacists/Neo-Nazis? She had no problem suing the fringe left blogger who criticized her. Hell, she doesn't mind suing people who make T-shirts with her lyrics on them, for God's sake. This isn't based on what every artist or celebrity would, because we're talking about Taylor's own, heh, reputation for suing people left and right over nothing. The fact that she chose to not sue in this situation made a statement--the opposite of silence.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Mar 11, 2018 13:01:28 GMT -5
Then why didn't she sue said white supremacists/Neo-Nazis? She had no problem suing the fringe left blogger who criticized her. Hell, she doesn't mind suing people who make T-shirts with her lyrics on them, for God's sake. This isn't based on what every artist or celebrity would, because we're talking about Taylor's own, heh, reputation for suing people left and right over nothing. The fact that she chose to not sue in this situation made a statement--the opposite of silence. Suing a sole individual and then suing a popular publication with a broad outreach are two completely different situations with two different possible levels of attention, time, amd effort. I can't speak for her, so I don't know why she didn't. Believe what you will. Still, I've said all I have to say about it. :)
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