Billboard Hot 100: 12/2/2017

[forg]

Didn't Billboard say the adjustments will start in 2018, does it mean January 2018 in the published date or the Billboard "chart year" which starts in December? If the latter then the new adjustments will start on this week's chart

[fhas]

Nov 15, 2017 18:13:08 GMT -5 Someone said:

Nov 15, 2017 16:00:12 GMT -5 fhas said:

This makes a lot of sense since the programmed/on-demand+YouTube ratio is 2:1.

The 2017 formula is: sales/6 + airplay/7,000 + on-demand/1,250 + YouTube/1,250 + programmed/2,500

I think for 2018 it's going to be something like: sales/5 + airplay/7,000 + paid on-demand/1,500 + free on-demand/2,250 + YouTube/2,250 + programmed/3,000

Did you happen to use this formula for your predictions today?

No, I'm using the 2017 formula but I adjusted it to be close to simmnfierzig/George's numbers.

sales/7.2 + airplay/8,400 + on-demand/1,500 + YouTube/1,500 + programmed/3,000

[fhas]

Nov 15, 2017 18:13:17 GMT -5 forg said:

Didn't Billboard say the adjustments will start in 2018, does it mean January 2018 in the published date or the Billboard "chart year" which starts in December? If the latter then the new adjustments will start on this week's chart

Idk. This year they changed the formula in the chart dated February 11th and I think in 2016 was the same thing. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Nov 15, 2017 3:48:47 GMT -5 Codex said:

Hopefully Urban fans don't have money for Premium Spotify.

Woah, I thought this type of sentiment was supposed to be more closeted and subtle around here!

[wavey.]

Nov 15, 2017 3:48:47 GMT -5 Codex said:

Hopefully Urban fans don't have money for Premium Spotify.

🤔

[85la]

Isn't the weighting difference also going to take on-demand vs. passive into account? It seems there's so many factors: on-demand vs. passive vs. paid vs. non-paid vs. YouTube vs. audio-only vs. video. And then to make things even more confusing many of the services offer all of these different methods of listening, so will it be weighed differently by Service or by listening type? And then of course, we have no idea what the weighing differences will be.

[mako]

Lol why is "Nicki Minij" credited in "The Way Life Goes" www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100

[Deleted]

Nov 16, 2017 4:29:34 GMT -5 mako said:

Lol why is "Nicki Minij" credited in "The Way Life Goes" www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100

bit.ly/2jzM7ME

She's actually credited as "Nicki Minij Oh Wonder" but that just makes it even more hilarious

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 11/16/2017
1. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (160.081) (-0.520)
2. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (148.595) (+2.054)
3. (=) P!NK - What About Us (121.734) (-1.617)
4. (+1) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (114.158) (+2.525)
5. (-1) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (113.748) (-1.709)
6. (+1) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (111.202) (+0.368)
7. (-1) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (109.840) (-1.773)
8. (+1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (109.508) (+2.304)
9. (-1) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (106.926) (-2.807)
10. (+1) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (97.575) (+0.113)
11. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (96.509) (-1.972)
12. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (96.039) (-0.080)
13. (+1) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (90.089) (+0.677)
14. (+2) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (88.847) (+2.103)
15. (=) KESHA - Praying (88.717) (+0.632)
16. (-3) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (87.672) (-2.068)
17. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (80.827) (-1.588)
18. (=) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (78.156) (-0.617)
19. (=) FRENCH MONTANA - Unforgettable f/Swae Lee (73.163) (-1.508)
20. (=) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (70.595) (-0.886)

Others:
22. (+1) HALSEY - Bad At Love (68.040) (+1.576)
24. (+2) CHRIS JANSON - Fix A Drink (65.720) (+1.416)
26. (+1) LANCO - Greatest Love Story (63.394) (+1.192)
27. (+1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Ready For It (63.024) (+1.168)
36. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (51.331) (+1.669)
37. (=) BLAKE SHELTON - I'll Name The Dogs (50.395) (+1.164)
46. (+3) DUA LIPA - New Rules (44.589) (+1.054)
65. (+5) MIGOS - MotorSport f/N. Minaj & Cardi (28.343) (+1.172)

[MilesW1998]

A few other noteworthy things:

134. (+33) TAYLOR SWIFT - End Game f/Ed Sheeran/Future (13.295) (+2.377)
147. (+17) N*E*R*D & RIHANNA - Lemon (12.418) (+1.119)
207. (+27) EMINEM - Walk On Water f/Beyonce (8.664) (+1.091)

[Sherane Lamar]

Will Lil Peep be able to hit the Hot 100?

A lot of his music is new, so unlike some of the other people who died this year, he won't have to hit the top 50, just the top 100.

[kcdawg13]

Why is Disturb's cover of Sound Of Silence back in the iTunes Top 20?

[Golden Bluebird]

Nov 16, 2017 16:01:54 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Why is Disturb's cover of Sound Of Silence back in the iTunes Top 20?

Seems to be because of this, considering when I Googled that song, the news that appear are related to the NASA footage. Must have gone viral.

[singingrulebritannia]

Nov 16, 2017 16:01:54 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

Why is Disturb's cover of Sound Of Silence back in the iTunes Top 20?

[dynamac]

Nov 16, 2017 12:52:16 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Will Lil Peep be able to hit the Hot 100?

A lot of his music is new, so unlike some of the other people who died this year, he won't have to hit the top 50, just the top 100.

Probably not, his fan base likely wasn’t big enough and was mostly on SoundCloud, plus he really didn’t have one song that was really popular among those communities.

[85la]

Nov 16, 2017 17:30:39 GMT -5 dynamac said:

Nov 16, 2017 12:52:16 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Will Lil Peep be able to hit the Hot 100?

A lot of his music is new, so unlike some of the other people who died this year, he won't have to hit the top 50, just the top 100.

Probably not, his fan base likely wasn’t big enough and was mostly on SoundCloud, plus he really didn’t have one song that was really popular among those communities.

Yes, but that all changes when you die, especially this young and unexpected.


About The Sound of Silence, the first thing that came to my mind was that it might have tied in with the release of Justice League, because when Batman vs. Superman came out last year there was that meme of TSOS playing to the interview footage of Ben Affleck looking bored and dreary, and the song's current resurgence might be hearkening back to that, especially cuz the new movie isn't getting good reviews as well. But I guess that's a huge stretch and it's probably just a coincidence lol

[Au$tin]

Nov 17, 2017 1:00:54 GMT -5 85la said:

Nov 16, 2017 17:30:39 GMT -5 dynamac said:

Probably not, his fan base likely wasn’t big enough and was mostly on SoundCloud, plus he really didn’t have one song that was really popular among those communities.

Yes, but that all changes when you die, especially this young and unexpected.

Christina Grimmie

[born]

Taylor should at least perform or premiere a music video for "End Game". No one knows that the song is available on iTunes and they should lol.

[Golden Bluebird]

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 11/18/2017
1. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (157.977) (-0.924)
2. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (152.688) (+2.150)
3. (=) P!NK - What About Us (117.523) (-3.408)
4. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (116.381) (-0.186)
5. (+2) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (111.212) (+0.275) ***
6. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (110.357) (-1.298)
7. (-2) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (108.603) (-3.305)
8. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (105.318) (-2.863)
9. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (100.112) (-4.059)
10. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (97.519) (-0.659)
11. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (92.282) (-2.728)
12. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (92.207) (-2.394)
13. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (91.421) (+0.374)
14. (+1) KESHA - Praying (89.048) (-0.562)
15. (-1) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (88.209) (-1.708)
16. (=) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (83.057) (-2.088)
17. (=) CARDI B - Bodak Yellow (78.829) (-1.070)
18. (=) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (74.405) (-2.530)
19. (+2) HALSEY - Bad At Love (70.388) (+0.636)
20. (=) BRUNO MARS - That's What I Like (69.853) (-1.036)

Others:
22. (+2) CHRIS JANSON - Fix A Drink (67.369) (+1.113)
33. (+2) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (53.954) (+1.614)
60. (+2) MIGOS - MotorSport f/N. Minaj & Cardi (30.197) (+1.102)

EDIT: Dammit, did it again! Accidentally edited yesterday's airplay number post!

[MilesW1998]

Other noteworthy songs:

114. (+20) TAYLOR SWIFT - End Game f/Ed Sheeran/Future (15.770) (+2.475)
119. (+13) LIL PUMP - Gucci Gang (14.446) (+0.886)
134. (+13) N.E.R.D & RIHANNA - Lemon (13.261) (+0.843)
187. (+21) KEITH URBAN - Female (9.674) (+1.023)
189. (+18) EMINEM - Walk On Water f/Beyonce (9.555) (+0.891)
199. (+49) WALK THE MOON - One Foot (8.958) (+1.944)

[Deleted]

Halsey's coming to knock out Bruno... then he'll come back again up once Unforgettable leaves

[Sherane Lamar]

Nov 17, 2017 3:14:26 GMT -5 Codex said:

Nov 15, 2017 22:21:50 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Woah, I thought this type of sentiment was supposed to be more closeted and subtle around here!

Fans of Urban music =/= Black people lol

"I hope that fans of black music are too impoverished to afford Spotify, because I am angry at the success of black music styles."

But guys! That's not racist. A lot of them are white, like Post Malone!

[Sherane Lamar]

Anyway, Lil Peep currently is at #50 on Spotify's daily list.

I still feel as if there's a chance that he could debut. The real reason not just being all his fans coming together to listen to him on the same week, but also the fans of people like XXX, Lil Pump, and Post who have all been talking about him on social media. 

In fact, I personally didn't know Lil Peep from Lil Beep before he died. But I was reminded of his existence by XXX's instagram. 

I remember hearing about a white sound rapper dude with tats all over his face named Lil Peep months ago, but I think when Lil Pump broke out, I ended up remembering my encounter with Lil Peep to have been with Lil Pump.  

[jebsib]

Looking at that AI chart, I am astonished how far Urban ratings have gone down.

Examine any top 20 chart from the whole 2000s decade and it was almost the inverse.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Nov 17, 2017 1:00:54 GMT -5 85la said:

Nov 16, 2017 17:30:39 GMT -5 dynamac said:

Probably not, his fan base likely wasn’t big enough and was mostly on SoundCloud, plus he really didn’t have one song that was really popular among those communities.

Yes, but that all changes when you die, especially this young and unexpected.


About The Sound of Silence, the first thing that came to my mind was that it might have tied in with the release of Justice League, because when Batman vs. Superman came out last year there was that meme of TSOS playing to the interview footage of Ben Affleck looking bored and dreary, and the song's current resurgence might be hearkening back to that, especially cuz the new movie isn't getting good reviews as well. But I guess that's a huge stretch and it's probably just a coincidence lol

I read at ATRL the song was played during the finale of Blacklist.

[Mr. Thonk Eyes]

Nov 17, 2017 13:45:33 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Looking at that AI chart, I am astonished how far Urban ratings have gone down.

Examine any top 20 chart from the whole 2000s decade and it was almost the inverse.

An even bigger factor for Urban songs not doing as well as they used to in audience is the fact that Top 40 radio is not embracing Urban material like they did in the 2000's.

[jenglisbe]

Nov 17, 2017 17:24:42 GMT -5 Mr. Thonk Eyes said:

Nov 17, 2017 13:45:33 GMT -5 jebsib said:

Looking at that AI chart, I am astonished how far Urban ratings have gone down.

Examine any top 20 chart from the whole 2000s decade and it was almost the inverse.

An even bigger factor for Urban songs not doing as well as they used to in audience is the fact that Top 40 radio is not embracing Urban material like they did in the 2000's.

We might see that change now that streaming data is showing urban music is popular.

[KeepDeanWeird]

Nov 17, 2017 15:56:40 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

Nov 17, 2017 1:00:54 GMT -5 85la said:

Yes, but that all changes when you die, especially this young and unexpected.


About The Sound of Silence, the first thing that came to my mind was that it might have tied in with the release of Justice League, because when Batman vs. Superman came out last year there was that meme of TSOS playing to the interview footage of Ben Affleck looking bored and dreary, and the song's current resurgence might be hearkening back to that, especially cuz the new movie isn't getting good reviews as well. But I guess that's a huge stretch and it's probably just a coincidence lol

I read at ATRL the song was played during the finale of Blacklist.

It was during the montage of leading to death of a major character. As I said yesterday in the iTunes thread, it can't be coincidence that it started selling bundles right after the show aired.

[House Lannister]

Nov 17, 2017 17:33:10 GMT -5 KeepDeanWeird said:

Nov 17, 2017 15:56:40 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

I read at ATRL the song was played during the finale of Blacklist.

It was during the montage of leading to death of a major character. As I said yesterday in the iTunes thread, it can't be coincidence that it started selling bundles right after the show aired.

The Blacklist isn't as popular or as water-cooler as it used to be.

[Sherane Lamar]

Nov 17, 2017 17:29:58 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Nov 17, 2017 17:24:42 GMT -5 Mr. Thonk Eyes said:

An even bigger factor for Urban songs not doing as well as they used to in audience is the fact that Top 40 radio is not embracing Urban material like they did in the 2000's.

We might see that change now that streaming data is showing urban music is popular.

Nah. Streaming's been showing the popularity of urban music since 2015, and no major influx of urban on radio. 

Reason's pretty obvious: the people listening to radio are not generally urban fans. Top 40 is going to continue to look more and more like Hot AC as younger people abandon radio.