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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 21, 2017 15:27:49 GMT -5
How can something that is being heard millions of times on the radio not be popular? If people know the song, it's popular. "Popular" implies liked. I've heard plenty of songs on the radio I didn't like. More so, payola (in its various forms) adds another element to it in that radio isn't always playing a song because listeners want to hear it, but instead are playing the song for other reasons. |
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Post by djkhaled on Nov 21, 2017 16:15:41 GMT -5
The introduction of streaming has made the current era of the hot 100 the most accurate one ever. Back in the day labels would literally (indirectly) pay for high chart positions. You can still do that with airplay, but streaming' dominance has opened the door for a freer, more indie-friendly market.
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Post by fhas on Nov 21, 2017 16:15:50 GMT -5
Perfect fell to #38 (-12) on Streaming Songs Chart despite being #19 (+8) On-Demand and having its first full week with an official video. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by djkhaled on Nov 21, 2017 16:18:48 GMT -5
Perfect fell to #38 (-12) on Streaming Songs Chart despite being #19 (+8) On-Demand and having its first full week with an official video. Doesn't make sense to me. Very recently streaming numbers aren't seeming to add up. Something is going on behind the scenes. |
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Post by fhas on Nov 21, 2017 16:25:55 GMT -5
Perfect fell to #38 (-12) on Streaming Songs Chart despite being #19 (+8) On-Demand and having its first full week with an official video. Doesn't make sense to me. Very recently streaming numbers aren't seeming to add up. Something is going on behind the scenes. Perfect's numbers never made sense to me. It's like YouTube is reporting a different number to Billboard than what is on YouTube Insights. |
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Post by djkhaled on Nov 21, 2017 16:27:51 GMT -5
Very recently streaming numbers aren't seeming to add up. Something is going on behind the scenes. Perfect's numbers never made sense to me. It's like YouTube is reporting a different number to Billboard than what is on YouTube Insights. Well to be fair YouTube insights has never been the most accurate source of information. Remember when they listed "love yourself" as the most watched video because the BTS album had a similar name? |
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Post by fhas on Nov 21, 2017 16:46:44 GMT -5
Perfect's numbers never made sense to me. It's like YouTube is reporting a different number to Billboard than what is on YouTube Insights. Well to be fair YouTube insights has never been the most accurate source of information. Remember when they listed "love yourself" as the most watched video because the BTS album had a similar name? Yeah, I remember. But analysing the numbers it's so hard to understand how it's #38. #19 On-Demand (It's also #19 on HDD's ODS chart with 8,625,303 streams) If that number is accurate, Perfect had less than 3-4 million streams from YouTube + Programmed Services this week even if it's #14 on YouTube Insights and #7 on Pandora. |
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Post by 85la on Nov 21, 2017 17:16:14 GMT -5
^ Yep, and further confirming the confusion, Perfect is up 20-8 on Billboard's "YouTube Songs" chart. Unless that chart doesn't count video views and only YouTube audio streams or something.
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Post by rimetm on Nov 21, 2017 17:18:31 GMT -5
YouTube Songs uses global numbers; confusing, I know.
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Post by mako on Nov 21, 2017 17:27:37 GMT -5
I really didn't expect Gucci gang to peak this high. I thought it would peak like in the 25-35 region like Look at me!, Magnolia, and the likes.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Nov 21, 2017 17:50:49 GMT -5
A) That's not entirely accurate (re: dance music accusation) B) Even if it were, it doesn't negate my post in any way, shape, or form C) Urban music is the problem. People bitched (and continue to bitch) about Rockstarr. I've been on Pulse in some capacity for over ten years. There's nothing controversial about noting the general attitude regarding urban music. It's not the general musical preference for those who frequent this forum. And posters tend to be over-the-top with their dislike of it. I don't understand how someone even halfway objecive would deny this. I agree with you that there is a general negative attitude regarding certain types of urban music. Not just on this forum, but in most places around the world. This is an international forum with many posters from Germany, Italy, etc, and this type of music isn't too popular outside of the US. They have a right to their opinion. And that's exactly why I brought up the first point. In general, there were endless comments in the early '10s by dozens of posters raging about how bad the current musical landscape is when every second hit song was a Dr. Luke jam about partying feat Pitbull. It's hypocritical to complain about Pulse complaining about Urban music, when Pulse complained just the same about previous trends. Pulse complains about everything. People complained about sales being weighted too high when Taylor would debut high with every promo single, or the millions of Glee songs. People complained about streaming with Harlem Shake went #1. People complained about Airplay being weighted too high when Last Friday Night was still top 5 with low sales. Why should posters not be allowed to criticise Urban songs as well? Edit: I also want to mention that I personally think the current Billboard chart formula is fair and accurate. The US Spotify numbers clearly show that there is a market there for this kind of music currently. I'm prepared for the big worldwide hits like New Rules to barely scrape US charts, but it's not because Billboard is sabotaging them. The main takeaway is that Pulse hates anything that isn't a female pop singer. No one is attempting to silence anyone's opinion. What I said was fair. I'm not asking for no criticism of urban songs. I just pointed out what would be a hypocritical stance among posters regarding the Hot 100 methodology if the genre were changed. The point was that it's not necessarily the methodology that many hate. Most hate that their preferred form of music is not thriving right now in terms of the Hot 100 because of the current methodology. Yes, some would complain regardless, but it's clear that it's the genre that's really pissing many off. Personally, I don't care. The charts don't mean that much to me. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 21, 2017 18:26:44 GMT -5
Exactly, if Kelly Clarkson were experiencing a chart run of 7-12-3 and was the benefactor of this weeks formula change rather than a 2 minute and 4 second song that repeats the song title 46 times, there would be dancing in the streets
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 18:38:33 GMT -5
Dropouts: Big Gains (10+) 18. ...Ready For It? by Taylor Swift (30) 44. Silence by Marshmello ft. Khalid (54) 70. Dusk Till Dawn by Zayn ft. Sia (80) I’m suprised Dusk till Dawn got a sudden boost I thought it was effectively dead. |
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Post by singingrulebritannia on Nov 21, 2017 19:46:15 GMT -5
58. Gummo by 6ix9ine 65. Wanted You by NAV ft. Lil Uzi Vert 93. Betrayed by Lil Xan Yeesh, let's direct more of that Gucci Gang scorn to these songs. |
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Post by purplefebruary on Nov 21, 2017 19:58:40 GMT -5
Exactly, if Kelly Clarkson were experiencing a chart run of 7-12-3 and was the benefactor of this weeks formula change rather than a 2 minute and 4 second song that repeats the song title 46 times, there would be dancing in the streets Is there anyone on this forum who thinks Gucci Gang is musically superior to Love So Soft in any form? This is a serious question. It's like trying to compare an apple to an orange for me, they're vastly different songs in vastly different genres. |
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Post by garrettlen on Nov 21, 2017 20:23:35 GMT -5
Exactly, if Kelly Clarkson were experiencing a chart run of 7-12-3 and was the benefactor of this weeks formula change rather than a 2 minute and 4 second song that repeats the song title 46 times, there would be dancing in the streets Gucci Gang is that short? I have to admit I have yet to hear it, but dang, that's one of the shortest singles in years! |
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Post by felipe on Nov 21, 2017 21:12:10 GMT -5
I agree with you that there is a general negative attitude regarding certain types of urban music. Not just on this forum, but in most places around the world. This is an international forum with many posters from Germany, Italy, etc, and this type of music isn't too popular outside of the US. They have a right to their opinion. You have brought up an interesting point. Many (most?) people on Pulse are not American, and the type of Urban music that's dominating streaming charts in the US right now is not really popular in many countries around the world. |
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Post by felipe on Nov 21, 2017 21:15:27 GMT -5
The main takeaway is that Pulse hates anything that isn't a female pop singer. No one is attempting to silence anyone's opinion. What I said was fair. I'm not asking for no criticism of urban songs. I just pointed out what would be a hypocritical stance among posters regarding the Hot 100 methodology if the genre were changed. The point was that it's not necessarily the methodology that many hate. Most hate that their preferred form of music is not thriving right now in terms of the Hot 100 because of the current methodology. Yes, some would complain regardless, but it's clear that it's the genre that's really pissing many off. Complaining about the Hot 100 will continue because the chart is highly subjective. You won't see many people complaining about singer X being number 1 on the album sales chart because he was the one that sold the most, what can you do? With the Hot 100 is not as clear-cut as that. |
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Post by Gary on Nov 21, 2017 22:14:44 GMT -5
LOL - there is noting subjective about a statistical formula. The "subjective" piece is your opinion of it.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 21, 2017 23:12:32 GMT -5
Man, I really want Gucci Gang to hit #1 now. I just want to see everyone here implode simultaneously, it would be glorious.
That being said, I have no adverse reaction to the song. It's repetitive and stupid, but it's a club jam, you're suppose to be grinding in the club to it. I didn't see anyone complaining about Party Rock Anthem, This Is What You Came For, etc topping the charts even though they are also repetitive and stupid. Yet when shit like this or Watch Me or Bad and Boujee get popular people throw hissy fits about how stupid they are.
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Post by MilesW1998 on Nov 21, 2017 23:20:37 GMT -5
Yeah, because at least on those songs, they actually feel energetic and that you can actively enjoy. Gucci Gang feels like incomplete song with a cheap beat, lazy lyrics, terrible attitude, and an awful voice.
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Post by djkhaled on Nov 21, 2017 23:27:28 GMT -5
I agree with you that there is a general negative attitude regarding certain types of urban music. Not just on this forum, but in most places around the world. This is an international forum with many posters from Germany, Italy, etc, and this type of music isn't too popular outside of the US. They have a right to their opinion. You have brought up an interesting point. Many (most?) people on Pulse are not American, and the type of Urban music that's dominating streaming charts in the US right now is not really popular in many countries around the world. Rockstar has been number one on Spotify global since release |
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Post by Glove Slap on Nov 22, 2017 1:22:37 GMT -5
Rockstar's video just came out.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 22, 2017 1:48:47 GMT -5
Haha, welp sorry Camila guess you gotta settle for #2.
I mean fortunately for her we'll probably get a Thinking Out Loud situation, I doubt Havana is gonna move from the #2 spot for a while. We might be stuck with this top two until at least February, so she shouldn't be too disappointed.
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Post by dynamac on Nov 22, 2017 1:49:57 GMT -5
Darn shame for Havana, I like rockstar but I feel like Havana at least deserves a week at #1, it’s one of my favorite pop songs of the past few years and I really want Young Thug to have one #1.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 2:07:57 GMT -5
Man, I really want Gucci Gang to hit #1 now. I just want to see everyone here implode simultaneously, it would be glorious. That being said, I have no adverse reaction to the song. It's repetitive and stupid, but it's a club jam, you're suppose to be grinding in the club to it. I didn't see anyone complaining about Party Rock Anthem, This Is What You Came For, etc topping the charts even though they are also repetitive and stupid. Yet when s**t like this or Watch Me or Bad and Boujee get popular people throw hissy fits about how stupid they are. Party Rock Anthem isn’t nearly as repetitive as things can get. I equate Gucci Gang more to Versace by Migos or the song that goes “I Whip My Hair Back And Forth” until your head explodes. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Nov 22, 2017 2:14:44 GMT -5
Man, I really want Gucci Gang to hit #1 now. I just want to see everyone here implode simultaneously, it would be glorious. That being said, I have no adverse reaction to the song. It's repetitive and stupid, but it's a club jam, you're suppose to be grinding in the club to it. I didn't see anyone complaining about Party Rock Anthem, This Is What You Came For, etc topping the charts even though they are also repetitive and stupid. Yet when s**t like this or Watch Me or Bad and Boujee get popular people throw hissy fits about how stupid they are. Party Rock Anthem isn’t nearly as repetitive as things can get. I equate Gucci Gang more to Versace by Migos or the song that goes “I Whip My Hair Back And Forth” until your head explodes. Maybe that was a bad example, but let's look at Rihanna's recent output, the aforementioned This Is What You Came For and Work. Both of those songs are extremely repetitive, the former song has like 12 words overall. Gucci Gang is really, really repetitive, but it's short (ending in over 2 minutes) and you aren't hearing it everywhere like those other songs. Gucci Gang is a club song, and it's only getting played in clubs and or when people are jamming out, do you really think anyone is listening to what Gas Pump is saying? No, and you won't have to worry about hearing it unless you actively seek it out. It has zero radio support. |
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Post by Enigma. on Nov 22, 2017 2:39:05 GMT -5
Yep, and without radio support GG won't ever reach #1 so the pop world is safe  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 3:00:27 GMT -5
Party Rock Anthem isn’t nearly as repetitive as things can get. I equate Gucci Gang more to Versace by Migos or the song that goes “I Whip My Hair Back And Forth” until your head explodes. Maybe that was a bad example, but let's look at Rihanna's recent output, the aforementioned This Is What You Came For and Work. Both of those songs are extremely repetitive, the former song has like 12 words overall. Gucci Gang is really, really repetitive, but it's short (ending in over 2 minutes) and you aren't hearing it everywhere like those other songs. Gucci Gang is a club song, and it's only getting played in clubs and or when people are jamming out, do you really think anyone is listening to what Gas Pump is saying? No, and you won't have to worry about hearing it unless you actively seek it out. It has zero radio support. True. Rihanna is the queen of repetitiveness. Never could stand TIWYCF or Work. I’m pretty sure the radio’s gonna eat Gucci Gang right up with how repetitive it is. |
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Post by purplefebruary on Nov 22, 2017 5:00:25 GMT -5
Yep, and without radio support GG won't ever reach #1 so the pop world is safe  How much radio support did Harlem Shake have when it first hit #1? |
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