Billboard Hot 100: 12/16/2017

[Au$tin]

Nov 28, 2017 14:58:21 GMT -5 singingrulebritannia said:

Nov 28, 2017 9:21:26 GMT -5 mrricx said:

I'd really like to know how All I Want For Christmas Is You is doing this year. Can anyone help me?

I mean, on Airplay.

Good god I miss having full access to Mediabase and seeing stuff like this.

[Choco]

RE: Bruno Mars, someone recently posted some decade to date stats and Just the Way You Are is probably the biggest song of the decade in terms of airplay or something like that.

That's What I Like is getting there though.

I'm gonna need Bad At Love and New Rules to hurry up and get that top 10 peak. It would be really good for both ladies.

[kcdawg13]

That's What I Like is honestly the best song of the year, and I'm happy it did so well, even though it basically killed the 24K Magic era. I expect it to rise drastically in airplay when the year wraps up, which is good Bruno and the song deserve it. I hope it can pick up SOTY at the Grammy's.

Anyways, Taylor Swift will likely not have a song in the Top 50 soon. LWYMMD is set to fall out of the Top 50 next week and Ready For It? will likely follow as airplay seems to be slowing. I'm anxiously waiting for her to release Endgame's video and give it a full on radio push, I believe they are waiting for RFI to die first.

[fhas]

After its run is complete That's What I Like probably will become the first song to chart in three consecutive years since Uptown Funk (2014-2016):

One week in 2016 (#79 - Dec. 10)
47 weeks in 2017 (Feb. 11 - Dec. 30)
4 weeks in 2018 (Jan. 6 - Jan. 27)

With the 25/52 rule this is a rare/impressive feat.

[Kris]

Looking at TWIL's recent gain:

What is generally the week that earlier hit songs begin picking up airplay? The day after Xmas?

[85la]

Nov 28, 2017 21:58:39 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Nov 28, 2017 18:20:44 GMT -5 jebsib said:

^ The old expression was "Golden Turkey" - High Peak due to pent-up demand and / or serious Label pushing, creates a hit on paper, but fast fall leaves a disappointing legacy.

Interesting. I may use this in the future. 

ikr? I have been following the charts very closely for many years now and have never heard this term!

edit: wait, it seems like he was joking, right?

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Even though it’s gonna have <2 days, I’m hoping “I’m Not Racist” can debut this week

[jebsib]

^ I've been following the charts weekly since the late 70s. The term goes back to the first Billboard Chartbeats by Paul Grein in the early 80s.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 11/30/2017
1. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (162.141) (-0.513)
2. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (154.262) (+2.052)
3. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (140.960) (-1.260)
4. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (123.574) (+0.697)
5. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (123.333) (+1.315)
6. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (116.072) (+3.452)
7. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (108.309) (+1.149)
8. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (103.143) (-0.621)
9. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (92.269) (+2.295)
10. (+1) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (85.456) (+0.018)
11. (-1) P!NK - What About Us (84.831) (-3.095)
12. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (84.296) (-0.868)
13. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (81.936) (-1.148)
14. (=) KESHA - Praying (78.705) (-3.221)
15. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (73.864) (-0.683)
16. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (72.735) (-1.260)
17. (=) TAYLOR SWIFT - Ready For It (72.404) (-0.208)
18. (=) G-EAZY - No Limit f/A$AP Rocky, Cardi B (71.752) (+0.731)
19. (=) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (69.690) (-1.262)
20. (+3) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (67.827) (+1.212)

Others:
24. (+1) GARTH BROOKS - Ask Me How I Know (65.401) (+1.009)
27. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (59.321) (+1.390)
51. (+1) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (36.959) (+1.666)
63. (+1) TAYLOR SWIFT - End Game f/Ed Sheeran/Future (30.095) (+1.502)
64. (-1) NF - Let You Down (29.965) (+1.303)
70. (+2) N.E.R.D. & RIHANNA - Lemon (25.833) (+1.009)

[scrohr424]

Nov 29, 2017 13:50:09 GMT -5 kcdawg13 said:

That's What I Like is honestly the best song of the year, and I'm happy it did so well, even though it basically killed the 24K Magic era.
Eh, even now I still prefer the title track, but I will never call it anything short of great. And although nothing's been released since Versace on the Floor flopped, I do still have a little bit of hope that Chunky might become a single down the road.
I expect it to rise drastically in airplay when the year wraps up, which is good Bruno and the song deserve it. I hope it can pick up SOTY at the Grammy's.
That'd be my first pick for that category as well.

Anyways, Taylor Swift will likely not have a song in the Top 50 soon. LWYMMD is set to fall out of the Top 50 next week and Ready For It? will likely follow as airplay seems to be slowing. I'm anxiously waiting for her to release Endgame's video and give it a full on radio push, I believe they are waiting for RFI to die first.
I'm honestly curious as to how that one will fare. Or if RFI will even have enough steam to make 2018's Year-End list at this point.

So anyway, on the note of the chart itself, if Havana tops radio but fails to hit #1, it might be the unluckiest #2 in a long time since it topped sales as well (ala Stay With Me, 7 Years, those #2s that topped multiple component charts).

And interesting that New Rules gained again.

[tiduraes]

Perfect remix with Beyoncé coming out today. Maybe it has a shot at number one?

[CF15]

This is the third week in a row that they are predicting "Thunder" to be #3 this week instead of "Gucci Gang". I hope they will be right, this time, lol. I would be lying if I said I wouldn't be very frustrated at "Gucci Gang" preventing Imagine Dragons from getting a #3 peak. I really wish "Gucci Gang" would go away...

[ddlz]

One of the biggest stories of 2017 is playing out right now, as Billboard works on a revamp of its Top 200 album chart that will give greater weight to paid streams, while ad-supported streams will be devalued. Most majors have been lobbying for just such a revenue-based revamp.

Presently, all streams are weighted equally, with 1,500 streams counted as one album. Those in the know believe the formula for paid streams will be adjusted to 1,250:1, while ad-supported streams will be devalued to 5,000:1. In other words, premium streams would have four times the weight of ad-supported. Under the existing metric, 100m streams of any kind would count as 66,667 albums, while under the new proposal, 100m ad-supported streams would count as just 20k albums, and 100m paid streams would count as 80k albums. On the other hand, albums that rely heavily on ad-supported streams for long periods of time could lose thousands of chart units.

YouTube streams will supposedly continue to be excluded from the Top 200, following vehement protests by rights holders over their possible inclusion. For that reason, Billboard prexy John Amato finds himself in the middle of an intensive tug of war, with Jimmy Iovine on one side lobbying for the weighted chart, which favors premium-only Apple Music, and Lyor Cohen on the other pushing for YouTube’s ad-supported streams to be given increased weight and to be included in the Top 200. While it appears the Iovine and the rights holders who are aligned with him in support of excluding YouTube streams from the Top 200 will come out with the victory, Cohen is being backed in his position by at least one major label, which continues to pressure Amato to invite YouTube to the party.

Along with that, there’s another issue that deeply concerns rights holders. YouTube is being accused of changing the algorithm on its recommendations, so much so that one label’s marketshare is grossly disproportionate, undermining what remains of YouTube’s credibility. One insider claims that a certain East Coast major label’s streams are greater than those of either of the other two music groups as a whole.

Changes to the Hot 100 singles chart have not yet been totally sorted out, but YouTube streams will likely continue to be included, despite those protests. Ad-supported Spotify streams and YouTube streams will apparently be treated equally in the Hot 100, despite the fact that Spotify’s streams throw off far more revenue. Spotify views this equal weighting as devaluing its ad-supported business. What recourse, if any, does Spotify have in terms of pushing back?

Some who have crunched the numbers assert that if the proposed weighting system had been in effect this year, Spotify would have reported 15m fewer albums—and if these calculations are anywhere close to accurate, that would be one hell of an unintended consequence of chart-weighting. Reiterating that the business has experienced dramatic growth during the last two years, these skeptics insist that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

As far as we know, a final decision has not yet been made by Amato and his advisors, but the newly weighted charts are expected to be introduced at the beginning of 2018, little more than a month from now.

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309539

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Not to mention yearly readjustment of Hot 100 formula. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the changes in both charts happen the same week.

[Sherane Lamar]

Nov 30, 2017 18:05:03 GMT -5 ddlz said:

What recourse, if any, does Spotify have in terms of pushing back?

Penny tier. 

Have people pay 50 cents a month to get a few extra features. Keep the ads on the penny tier users.

Potentially half the people who listen for free and refuse to spend $5-$10 a month on music would then count the same as those that are full members. 

[Sherane Lamar]

If "I Got It" by Bhad Bhabie doesn't chart, I'mma start a riot.

I TOLD you guys that she had potential to start dropping well rounded bangers. Hi Bich is short and repetitive. These Heaux has some sloppy rhymes. "I Got It" is clean af.

Somebody remind me how many US streams are generally needed to crack the Hot 100? It was something like 8 million right?

[Sherane Lamar]

Nov 30, 2017 1:01:57 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

Even though it’s gonna have <2 days, I’m hoping “I’m Not Racist” can debut this week

I really hope so too. Interestingly enough, it would be the second song with "Racist" in the title to hit the Hot 100. The first being Brad Paisley's "Accidental Racist", which has pretty much the exact same concept, but is executed terribly. 

[mako]

Nov 30, 2017 1:01:57 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

Even though it’s gonna have <2 days, I’m hoping “I’m Not Racist” can debut this week

where is it in sales? Does it only have YouTube streams? Hope that's enough tho

[Deleted]

Dec 1, 2017 6:04:58 GMT -5 mako said:

Nov 30, 2017 1:01:57 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

Even though it’s gonna have <2 days, I’m hoping “I’m Not Racist” can debut this week

where is it in sales? Does it only have YouTube streams? Hope that's enough tho

46 in iTunes as I'm typing this

[Golden Bluebird]

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Overall AI (Top 20) - 12/01/2017
1. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (160.234) (-1.907)
2. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (154.549) (+0.287)
3. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (137.942) (-3.018)
4. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (123.145) (-0.429)
5. (=) MAROON 5 - What Lovers Do f/SZA (122.550) (-0.783)
6. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (117.562) (+1.490)
7. (=) SAM SMITH - Too Good At Goodbyes (107.875) (-0.434)
8. (=) DEMI LOVATO - Sorry Not Sorry (101.727) (-1.416)
9. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (93.107) (+0.838)
10. (=) J BALVIN - Mi Gente f/Willy William (82.795) (-2.661)
11. (+1) CHARLIE PUTH - Attention (81.704) (-2.592) ***
12. (-1) P!NK - What About Us (81.385) (-3.446)
13. (=) LOGIC - 1-800-273-8255 f/A.Cara/Khalid (79.799) (-2.137)
14. (=) KESHA - Praying (73.848) (-4.857)
15. (=) LIAM PAYNE - Strip That Down f/Quavo (73.085) (-0.779) ***
16. (+2) G-EAZY - No Limit f/A$AP Rocky, Cardi B (72.095) (+0.343)
17. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (71.548) (-1.187)
18. (-1) TAYLOR SWIFT - Ready For It (71.510) (-0.894)
19. (+1) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (69.533) (+1.706)
20. (-1) NIALL HORAN - Slow Hands (67.477) (-2.213)

[inverse]

Dec 1, 2017 0:18:42 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Nov 30, 2017 1:01:57 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

Even though it’s gonna have <2 days, I’m hoping “I’m Not Racist” can debut this week

I really hope so too. Interestingly enough, it would be the second song with "Racist" in the title to hit the Hot 100. The first being Brad Paisley's "Accidental Racist", which has pretty much the exact same concept, but is executed terribly. 

Are they not both executed terribly?

[Sherane Lamar]

Dec 1, 2017 13:11:27 GMT -5 inverse said:

Dec 1, 2017 0:18:42 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

I really hope so too. Interestingly enough, it would be the second song with "Racist" in the title to hit the Hot 100. The first being Brad Paisley's "Accidental Racist", which has pretty much the exact same concept, but is executed terribly. 

Are they not both executed terribly?

Nah. This new one is executed pretty well. 

[jayhawk1117]

Looks like Perfect is making an incredibly strong run for number one. With both versions of Perfect at 1.3119 and the closet being G and Halsey at 3 with .3113. And the video already has over 4 million views and I'm sure it's blowing up on spotify. It may be early but congrats on that second number one Ed

[jenglisbe]

How do credits for remixes work now? As in, will Beyoncé get credit as long as the combination of points from that version is higher than the regular version?

[85la]

^ yes, i believe so

[nevillelongbottom]

I have a potentially dumb question about remixes/alternate versions. Do they need to be on the same label in order to be combined for the charts?

Because BTS is releasing a Japanese version of Mic Drop next week. But their Japanese stuff is released under a different label in the US than their Korean stuff. So could the Japanese version be combined with the other versions of the song or not?

[weaver]

Does the remix for perfect count as a separate entry on the hot 100 or do they get combined? If they are combined then it looks like a shoo in for the #1 spot. It is #1 and #2 on iTunes.

[Au$tin]

Dec 1, 2017 16:06:18 GMT -5 weaver said:

Does the remix for perfect count as a separate entry on the hot 100 or do they get combined? If they are combined then it looks like a shoo in for the #1 spot. It is #1 and #2 on iTunes.

Combined. They're only separate if there's major significant differences like if Beyoncé took up half the song with a completely new verse and the instrumentation was changed.

[willapted33]

Dec 1, 2017 13:11:27 GMT -5 inverse said:

Dec 1, 2017 0:18:42 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

I really hope so too. Interestingly enough, it would be the second song with "Racist" in the title to hit the Hot 100. The first being Brad Paisley's "Accidental Racist", which has pretty much the exact same concept, but is executed terribly. 

Are they not both executed terribly?

are you serious?

[rimetm]

Sales (Complete)

72,000 - Perfect
64,000 - Havana [DISCOUNTED]
57,000 - Rockstar [DISCOUNTED]
54,000 - Mic Drop
54,000 - Thunder
44,000 - Total Eclipse of the Heart (Cover)
36,000 - Bad at Love [DISCOUNTED]
34,000 - Meant to Be [DISCOUNTED]
30,000 - Wolves [DISCOUNTED]
30,000 - Too Good at Goodbyes
29,000 - A Case of You (Cover)
28,000 - What Lovers Do
26,000 - Feel it Still
22,000 - End Game
21,000 - New Rules
20,000 - Sorry Not Sorry

YouTube (6/7)

17.2M - Gucci Gang
17.1M - Rockstar
14.7M - Gummo
10.9M - Bodak Yellow
10.4M - Havana
08.2M - Bank Account
08.0M - Perfect
07.4M - Despacito
07.0M - I Get the Bag
06.6M - New Rules
06.6M - Mic Drop
06.5M - Too Good at Goodbyes
06.3M - MotorSport
05.8M - ?????
05.7M - The Race
05.7M - I Fall Apart
05.6M - No Limit
05.4M - The Weekend
05.4M - Rolex
05.2M - Thunder

Spotify (Complete)

12.7M - Rockstar
08.8M - Gucci Gang
07.1M - I Fall Apart
06.2M - Havana
06.2M - Candy Paint
06.1M - Ric Flair Drip
06.0M - No Limit
06.0M - Plain Jane
05.8M - Bank Account
05.6M - Too Good at Goodbyes
05.2M - Wolves
05.1M - MotorSport
05.1M - Perfect
04.9M - XO TOUR Llif3
04.9M - [Suicide Hotline]
04.9M - Young, Dumb, & Broke
04.9M - Let You Down
04.7M - I Get the Bag
04.5M - All I Want for Christmas is You
04.5M - What Lovers Do

Radio (4/7)

160M - Thunder
155M - Havana
138M - Feel It Still
123M - Rockstar
123M - What Lovers Do
118M - Perfect
108M - Too Good at Goodbyes
102M - Sorry Not Sorry
093M - Bad at Love
083M - Mi Gente
082M - Attention
081M - What About Us
080M - [Suicide Hotline]
074M - Praying
073M - Strip That Down
072M - No Limit
072M - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back
072M - ...Ready For It?
070M - LOVE.
067M - Slow Hands