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Post by MilesW1998 on Dec 4, 2017 15:30:25 GMT -5
Just wait until they reach the 52 week limit, they'll be re-entering much higher in the years to come I bet.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 4, 2017 15:36:32 GMT -5
(Older songs are eligible to return to the Hot 100 if ranking in the top 50 and are gaining in multiple metrics with a significant reason for their resurgences; a few holiday chestnuts re-enter each year.) And who gets to decide what a "significant reason" is? I'd say that being the 50th most popular song of the week is a "significant reason" to be charting at #50. These recurrent rules and all their contingencies are terrible. |
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Post by thabb on Dec 4, 2017 15:46:43 GMT -5
for its sales and its streams, mic drops seems a bit high… anyone else think so? or did a formula change happen without me noticing it? Welp. #28 this week. I was right a bit  |
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Post by rimetm on Dec 4, 2017 16:24:48 GMT -5
(Older songs are eligible to return to the Hot 100 if ranking in the top 50 and are gaining in multiple metrics with a significant reason for their resurgences; a few holiday chestnuts re-enter each year.) And who gets to decide what a "significant reason" is? I'd say that being the 50th most popular song of the week is a "significant reason" to be charting at #50. These recurrent rules and all their contingencies are terrible. You say that, but would you actually like the chart if recurrency was gone? I decided to do some digging around the Hot genre charts, Recurrent Songs and made the most pessimistic estimates (i.e. the lowest position possible) the recurrent songs could place, and this is how it turned out: 51 When It Rains It Pours 52 Rubbin' Off the Paint 53 Let Me Go 54 Ric Flair Dip 55 XO TOUR Llif3 56 All I Want for Christmas is You 57 What Ifs 58 Body Like a Back Road 59 Crew 60 Walk on Water 61 Location 62 Something Just Like This 63 Wild Thoughts 64 Roll in Peace 65 Unforgettable (Rhett) 66 Sky Walker 67 Light it Up 68 Love So Soft 69 Like I Loved You 70 I'll Name the Dogs 71 Lemon 72 Wanted You 73 Ghostface Killers 74 Candy Paint 75 Good Old Days 76 Dusk Till Dawn 77 Betrayed 78 Lights Down Low 79 The Race 80 Butterfly Effect 81 Love Galore 82 Say You Won't Let Go 83 Redbone 84 In Case You Didn't Know 85 Small Town Boy 86 Round Here Buzz 87 Yours 88 Mayores 89 Losing Sleep 90 Ask Me How I Know 91 I Could Use a Love Song 92 Fix a Drink 93 Awful Things 94 F Love 95 Relationship 96 Transportin' 97 Jocelyn Flores 98 Every Little Thing 99 You Broke Up With Me 100 End Game Too Much to Ask (This Re-Entry Run Wouldn't Have Happened) Sauce it Up Pick it Up (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Home (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Go Flex When We (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Glorious (This Re-Entry Run Wouldn't Have Happened) Questions Beautiful Trauma (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) No Smoke (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Broken Halos (This Re-Entry Run Wouldn't Have Happened) The Rest of Our Life (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Mask Off Drowning Rolex Bad And Boujee I'm The One Closer Slippery Stay Faking It (Wouldn't Have Ever Made Hot 100) Keep in mind that the stuff from Mask Off-Stay might've booted more songs off the Hot 100 in reality, it's just that I can only anchor them from Stay being ahead of Faking It and Small Town Boy being ahead of Round Here Buzz. |
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Post by fhas on Dec 4, 2017 16:56:55 GMT -5
"Ed Sheeran's "Perfect" pushes to a new No. 3 Hot 100 high, from No. 5, and becomes his third No. 1 on Digital Song Sales (69,000, down 1 percent)."
Should've been 59k. Perfect sold 60k last week.
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Post by forg on Dec 4, 2017 17:45:58 GMT -5
Rooting for "All I Want for Christmas Is You" to hit the top 10 this year. It's been doing well on Spotify which is a good sign
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Post by chartfreak on Dec 4, 2017 19:20:57 GMT -5
So what this means Halsey is finally getting her long overdue solo top ten, Dua is coming for that top spot and Mariah may FINALLY crack the top so with AIWFC Do you mean crack top 10? |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Dec 4, 2017 19:36:39 GMT -5
So what this means Halsey is finally getting her long overdue solo top ten, Dua is coming for that top spot and Mariah may FINALLY crack the top so with AIWFC Do you mean crack top 10? yes |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 4, 2017 19:58:18 GMT -5
And who gets to decide what a "significant reason" is? I'd say that being the 50th most popular song of the week is a "significant reason" to be charting at #50. These recurrent rules and all their contingencies are terrible. You say that, but would you actually like the chart if recurrency was gone? I decided to do some digging around the Hot genre charts, Recurrent Songs and made the most pessimistic estimates (i.e. the lowest position possible) the recurrent songs could place, and this is how it turned out: 51 When It Rains It Pours 52 Rubbin' Off the Paint 53 Let Me Go 54 Ric Flair Dip 55 XO TOUR Llif3 56 All I Want for Christmas is You 57 What Ifs 58 Body Like a Back Road 59 Crew 60 Walk on Water 61 Location 62 Something Just Like This 63 Wild Thoughts 64 Roll in Peace 65 Unforgettable (Rhett) 66 Sky Walker 67 Light it Up 68 Love So Soft 69 Like I Loved You 70 I'll Name the Dogs 71 Lemon 72 Wanted You 73 Ghostface Killers 74 Candy Paint 75 Good Old Days 76 Dusk Till Dawn 77 Betrayed 78 Lights Down Low 79 The Race 80 Butterfly Effect 81 Love Galore 82 Say You Won't Let Go 83 Redbone 84 In Case You Didn't Know 85 Small Town Boy 86 Round Here Buzz 87 Yours 88 Mayores 89 Losing Sleep 90 Ask Me How I Know 91 I Could Use a Love Song 92 Fix a Drink 93 Awful Things 94 F Love 95 Relationship 96 Transportin' 97 Jocelyn Flores 98 Every Little Thing 99 You Broke Up With Me 100 End Game Yes, I've always been very vocal about the accuracy of the chart being more important than its entertainment value, or the accolades of artists that I enjoy. Very interesting list though. I've always wondered just how much of the 51-100 range would consist of long-lasting songs if the recurrent rules weren't around. Can you explain what that second list of songs is. First it appears to be a list of songs that wouldn't have entered without the recurrent rules. Then there's Mask Off and Bad and Boujee, which is confusing. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 4, 2017 19:59:44 GMT -5
Oh nevermind. I get the second list. It's the songs in positions 101+
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 4, 2017 20:28:09 GMT -5
Just wait until they reach the 52 week limit, they'll be re-entering much higher in the years to come I bet. I hadn't thought about how this rule would affect holiday songs once they hit that marker. "AIWFCIY" has to be over halfway there? |
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 4, 2017 20:37:15 GMT -5
A few other jumps into the top 40 this week: NF's "Let You Down" moved 48-29 and Marshmello & Khalid's "Silence" finally moved 43-36 in its 16th week. Also, Charlie Puth's "How Long" moved 34-32 and "Gummo" dropped (though I don't know by how much). "End Game" only moved 86-83.
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Post by renfield75 on Dec 4, 2017 20:42:23 GMT -5
Just wait until they reach the 52 week limit, they'll be re-entering much higher in the years to come I bet. I hadn't thought about how this rule would affect holiday songs once they hit that marker. "AIWFCIY" has to be over halfway there? It's at 20 cumulative weeks this week. Remember, it didn't start charting in the top 40 of the Hot 100 until 2012, when the recurrent rule for older songs was removed (following Whitney's death in February). |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 4, 2017 22:32:34 GMT -5
^In theory, it should be able to get 4 to 5 weeks each year over the next few years, given how it has continued to be a good digital seller and now has gotten some help from streaming, so it would have to deal with the 52 week rule in about 6 to 7 years.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 4, 2017 22:48:31 GMT -5
You say that, but would you actually like the chart if recurrency was gone? I decided to do some digging around the Hot genre charts, Recurrent Songs and made the most pessimistic estimates (i.e. the lowest position possible) the recurrent songs could place, and this is how it turned out: Probably the chart that's most similar (not the same, given that radio doesn't count toward it and only audio streams count) without the recurrency rules (although it now has reduced streaming value after a song has charted for 9 weeks and its streams decreased and the maximum of 3 songs from each album) is the Official Charts Singles chart. There, Mr. Brightside has already charted for 193 weeks, not to mention All I Want for Christmas is You for 82 weeks. Not to mention that according to today's midweek update, the top 100 is expected to be bombarded with many holiday songs re-entering as well as 3 of them in the top 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 3:53:38 GMT -5
So, information time...
(Let me know if I made a mistake)
100-94. Faking It
99-92. Written In The Sand
92-88. When We
84-84. You Broke Up With Me
86-83. End Game
89-82. Pick It Up
76-71. Ask Me How I Know
73-69. Yours
72-68. Round Here Buzz
70-66. Lights Down Low
69-67. Betrayed
67-65. Good Old Days
66-64. Candy Paint
59-58. Light It Up
58-55. Sky Walker
54-49. Ric Flair Drip
52-46. Rubbin Off The Paint
50-43. Plain Jane
42-40. Meant To Be
43-36. Silence
34-32. How Long
48-29. Let You Down
N/A-28. Mic Drop
N/A-21. All I Want For Christmas Is You
21-19. I Fall Apart
18-15. New Rules
14-11. Bad At Love
8-10. Feel It Still
10-9. What Lovers Do
11-8. No Limit
6-7. Bodak Yellow
7-6. Too Good At Goodbyes
4-5. Thunder
3-4. Gucci Gang
5-3. Perfect
2-2. Havana
1-1. Rockstar
Sources: Facebook livestream, Billboard articles for Top 10, Mic Drop, and Meant To Be, Hot 100 leaks
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 6:16:51 GMT -5
RIP Praying it’s finally reaching the end of its run. I guess it won’t be making it repeat years after all.
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Post by deepston on Dec 5, 2017 8:09:32 GMT -5
Looks like Rockstar and Havana have peaked. Rockstar is down 8% and Havana 14%. I think it's safe to say Camila won't reach #1 now, her only chance was to outpeak Rockstar which isn't happening.
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Post by forg on Dec 5, 2017 8:33:22 GMT -5
Havana tried it all from remix to discounts but it simply couldn't make it. Maybe it still has a small chance if she releases her album in January and the song is still doing good in airplay and rockstar has declined considerably but it's probably not gonna happen anymore.
They should focus on the follow up single to maintain the momentum
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Dec 5, 2017 9:12:21 GMT -5
^In theory, it should be able to get 4 to 5 weeks each year over the next few years, given how it has continued to be a good digital seller and now has gotten some help from streaming, so it would have to deal with the 52 week rule in about 6 to 7 years. Assuming BB doesn’t change the rules again, it would still chart for 2 or 3 weeks a year since it breaks the Top 25 - unless there’s some complete ban on 52+ week songs once they drop below 25 they can’t ever come back. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Dec 5, 2017 9:13:49 GMT -5
3 of the 5 songs to debut this week are in a different language: 2 Spanish and 1 Korean.
"It's Everyday Bro" re-enters and gets a second peak at #91. However, Billboard fails to credit Gucci Mane for the remix, which is clearly a mistake on their part.
Gummo takes a pretty big fall from #29 to #54. As we know, Gummo is a YouTube-heavy hit. I have to wonder whether that's another mistake from Billboard, and if we're going to see another big spike next week like we saw with Bank Account and Gucci Gang.
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Post by badrobot on Dec 5, 2017 10:32:53 GMT -5
I wonder if "significant reason" also means that a short-lived viral video clip won't be enough to cause a re-entry anymore. (Like that one time Bon Jovi reappeared.) Or at least I hope so.
Also so happy for Dua Lipa!
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Post by forg on Dec 5, 2017 10:34:28 GMT -5
Full Hot 100 out www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100Shape of Your rises to #26 on its 47th week, with the year end charts coming, the song is almost guaranteed of 52 weeks chart run Humble escapes recurrent status rising 49-47 The beginning of the end of their chart runs for Praying and What About Us. Both had respectable runs Look What You Made Me Do crashes 44-60. Will it even make it to 20 weeks? A The Voice contestant recording makes it to #99. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 5, 2017 11:45:27 GMT -5
12/16 Billboard Hot 100
TW LW 2W WOC Title Artist Imprint | label
1 1 1 11 Rockstar - Post Malone Featuring 21 Savage - Republic
2 2 2 16 Havana - Camila Cabello Featuring Young Thug - SYCO | Epic
3 5 7 14 Perfect - Ed Sheeran - Atlantic
4 3 3 12 Gucci Gang - Lil Pump - Lyfetime/Tha Lights Global | Warner Bros.
5 4 4 31 Thunder - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
6 7 6 12 Too Good At Goodbyes - Sam Smith - Capitol
7 6 5 22 Bodak Yellow (Money Moves) - Cardi B - The KSR Group | Atlantic
8 11 13 12 No Limit - G-Eazy Featuring A$AP Rocky & Cardi B - G-Eazy/RVG/BPG | RCA
9 10 11 14 What Lovers Do - Maroon 5 Featuring SZA - 222 | Interscope
10 8 9 24 Feel It Still - Portugal. The Man - Atlantic
11 14 17 13 Bad At Love - Halsey - Astralwerks | Capitol
12 9 12 21 Sorry Not Sorry - Demi Lovato - Hollywood/Safehouse/Island | Republic
13 12 10 22 Mi Gente - J Balvin & Willy William Featuring Beyonce - Scorpio/Capitol Latin/Parkwood/Republic | Sony Music Latin/UMLE/Columbia
14 13 8 31 1-800-273-8255 - Logic Featuring Alessia Cara & Khalid - Visionary | Def Jam
15 18 19 18 New Rules - Dua Lipa - Warner Bros.
16 16 16 15 I Get The Bag - Gucci Mane Featuring Migos - Guwop | Atlantic
17 17 15 5 MotorSport - Migos, Nicki Minaj & Cardi B - Quality Control/Motown | Capitol
18 15 27 21 Bank Account - 21 Savage - Slaughter Gang | Epic
19 21 25 10 I Fall Apart - Post Malone - Republic
20 20 51 6 Wolves - Selena Gomez X Marshmello - Interscope
21 Re-Entry 20 All I Want For Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey - Columbia | Legacy
22 22 29 20 Young Dumb & Broke - Khalid - Right Hand | RCA
23 19 22 46 Despacito - Luis Fonsi & Daddy Yankee Featuring Justin Bieber - Universal Music Latino/Raymond Braun/SchoolBoy/Def Jam | UMLE/Republic
24 28 21 34 Unforgettable - French Montana Featuring Swae Lee - Ear Drummer/Coke Boys/Bad Boy | Interscope/Epic
25 23 26 43 Believer - Imagine Dragons - KIDinaKORNER | Interscope
26 31 30 47 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran - Atlantic
27 39 41 23 Love. - Kendrick Lamar Featuring Zacari - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
28 Hot Shot Debut 1 MIC Drop - BTS Featuring Desiigner - BigHit Entertainment
29 48 52 7 Let You Down - NF - NF Real Music/NF Real Music | Caroline/Capitol
30 30 24 32 Attention - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
31 24 18 13 ...Ready For It? - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
32 34 40 8 How Long - Charlie Puth - OTTO | Atlantic
33 25 20 17 What About Us - P!nk - RCA
34 27 23 22 Rake It Up - Yo Gotti Featuring Nicki Minaj - Cocaine Muzik | Epic
35 26 28 21 Praying - Kesha - Kemosabe | RCA
36 43 44 16 Silence - Marshmello Featuring Khalid - Joytime Collective | RCA
37 32 34 46 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars - Atlantic
38 37 38 18 The Weekend - SZA - Top Dawg | RCA
39 38 37 14 The Way Life Goes - Lil Uzi Vert Featuring Nicki Minaj - Generation Now | Atlantic
40 42 53 6 Meant To Be - Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line - Warner Bros.
41 36 32 28 Strip That Down - Liam Payne Featuring Quavo - Hampton | Republic
42 33 33 32 There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back - Shawn Mendes - Island | Republic
43 50 54 10 Plain Jane - A$AP Ferg - A$AP Worldwide/Polo Grounds | RCA
44 41 42 25 Do Re Mi - Blackbear - Beartrap/Alamo | Interscope
45 35 36 49 Congratulations - Post Malone Featuring Quavo - Republic
46 52 80 4 Rubbin Off The Paint - YBN Nahmir - M.M.M. | Human Re Sources
47 49 47 35 Humble. - Kendrick Lamar - Top Dawg/Aftermath | Interscope
48 45 45 13 Greatest Love Story - LANCO - Arista Nashville
49 54 56 5 Ric Flair Drip - Offset & Metro Boomin - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
50 40 35 31 Slow Hands - Niall Horan - Neon Haze | Capitol
51 46 46 12 Pills And Automobiles - Chris Brown Featuring Yo Gotti, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie & Kodak Black - RCA
52 New 1 Codeine Dreaming - Kodak Black Featuring Lil Wayne - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
53 53 66 10 Let Me Go - Hailee Steinfeld & Alesso Featuring Florida Georgia Line & Watt - Republic
54 29 58 3 Gummo - 6ix9ine - Scumgang
55 58 64 10 Sky Walker - Miguel Featuring Travis Scott - ByStorm/Black Ice | RCA
56 51 39 18 When It Rains It Pours - Luke Combs - River House | Columbia Nashville
57 56 59 15 Roll In Peace - Kodak Black Featuring XXXTENTACION - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
58 59 60 14 Light It Up - Luke Bryan - Capitol Nashville
59 57 55 18 Unforgettable - Thomas Rhett - Valory
60 44 31 15 Look What You Made Me Do - Taylor Swift - Big Machine | Republic
61 62 63 12 I'll Name The Dogs - Blake Shelton - Warner Bros. Nashville | WMN
62 61 62 10 Like I Loved You - Brett Young - BMLG
63 63 79 4 Lemon - N*E*R*D & Rihanna - N.E.R.D | Columbia
64 66 78 6 Candy Paint - Post Malone - Artist Partners Group/Atlantic/Republic | RRP
65 67 68 6 Good Old Days - Macklemore Featuring Kesha - Bendo/Bendo | ADA/Warner Bros.
66 70 76 8 Lights Down Low - MAX Featuring gnash - DCD2/Crush Music | RED Associated Labels
67 69 93 3 Betrayed - Lil Xan - Columbia
68 72 77 10 Round Here Buzz - Eric Church - EMI Nashville
69 73 75 7 Yours - Russell Dickerson - Triple Tigers
70 60 61 12 Love So Soft - Kelly Clarkson - Atlantic | RRP
71 76 85 6 Ask Me How I Know - Garth Brooks - Pearl
72 64 65 3 Wanted You - NAV Featuring Lil Uzi Vert - XO | Republic
73 75 74 10 Losing Sleep - Chris Young - RCA Nashville
74 68 70 12 Dusk Till Dawn - Zayn Featuring Sia - RCA
75 65 57 5 Ghostface Killers - 21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin Featuring Travis Scott - Boominati/Quality Control/Motown/Slaughter Gang | Republic/Capitol/Epic
76 47 – 2 Echame La Culpa - Luis Fonsi & Demi Lovato - Safehouse/Island/Universal Music Latino | Republic/UMLE
77 71 71 17 The Race - Tay-K - Tay-K
78 77 81 15 I Could Use A Love Song - Maren Morris - Columbia Nashville
79 55 14 3 Walk On Water - Eminem Featuring Beyonce - Web/Shady/Aftermath | Interscope
80 74 84 6 Mayores - Becky G Featuring Bad Bunny - Kemosabe/RCA | Sony Music Latin
81 80 82 14 F**k Love - XXXTentacion Featuring Trippie Redd - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
82 89 97 3 Pick It Up - Famous Dex Featuring A$AP Rocky - Rich Forever | 300
83 86 – 2 End Game - Taylor Swift Featuring Ed Sheeran & Future - Big Machine | Republic
84 85 94 6 You Broke Up With Me - Walker Hayes - Monument | Arista Nashville
85 83 83 14 Jocelyn Flores - XXXTentacion - Bad Vibes Forever | EMPIRE Recordings
86 New 1 Krippy Kush - Farruko, Nicki Minaj, Bad Bunny, 21 Savage & Rvssian - Carbon Fiber | Sony Music Latin
87 82 87 15 Transportin' - Kodak Black - Dollaz N Dealz | Atlantic
88 92 – 2 When We - Tank - R&B Money | Atlantic
89 87 99 6 Too Much To Ask - Niall Horan - Neon Haze | Capitol
90 78 67 14 Fix A Drink - Chris Janson - Warner Bros. Nashville | WAR
91 Re-Entry 2 It's Everyday Bro - Jake Paul Featuring Team 10 - Team 10
92 99 – 2 Written In The Sand - Old Dominion - RCA Nashville
93 Re-Entry 2 All On Me - Devin Dawson - Atlantic | WEA
94 100 – 2 Faking It - Calvin Harris Featuring Kehlani & Lil Yachty - Columbia
95 91 98 11 Go Flex - Post Malone - Republic
96 88 90 14 Sauce It Up - Lil Uzi Vert - Generation Now | Atlantic
97 95 – 2 Beautiful Trauma - P!nk - RCA
98 New 1 Legends - Kelsea Ballerini - Black River
99 New 1 Total Eclipse Of The Heart - Chloe Kohanski - Republic
100 New 1 Perro Fiel - Shakira Featuring Nicky Jam - Sony Music Latin
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 16:46:33 GMT -5
Yay for Legends sneaking in
Easily one of the best country songs the year had to offer
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