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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 12:48:22 GMT -5
The only reason I didn’t want an extension is because no ones saying anything and I just wanted to move on out of boredom. But that’s just me being new probably. I can see why it would be best to have another day to try and squeeze out as much as possible from people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:55:02 GMT -5
Edit - she has yet to make a long post but I can see her coming to do so soon.Oh Yes Boo Honty ... She Wint In Ah Yes Oh Yea She Spilled The Tea Gurl She Read It Oh BooHunty She Spilled All The Hot Shade And All The Tea... She Read The Tea For Shady Filth...No Lies Detected...... Darlinq
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 3, 2017 12:55:24 GMT -5
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
Day One ends Monday Dec 4th at 11pm EST
Here is where we stand right now...
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know): gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈 , @touch greentoo [2] - Sambalada , willapted33 willapted33 [2] - Web , Leo ✔ zaclord [1] - greentoo cynthia rose [2] - Az Paynter , @walker9
NO VOTE: Mylo13 💜 , @antigonerising
ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x24x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Della Perez Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben Klein
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 3, 2017 12:56:21 GMT -5
The most info we can get, the better. At least gravey finally puts a vote in somebody. The thing I'm worried is if we don't lynch somebody today, it can give a free pass to mafia
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 3, 2017 12:59:04 GMT -5
Between my PM convo with James elsewhere and reading back over the thread I meant to have made another post sooner lol. My thoughts right now are this:
TOWN LEAN Kunt Zaclord Mylo
NULL/UNDECIDED Gravey Webi Greentoo Cynthia Sam
SLIGHT SCUM VIBES Leo Willapted
Vote: Willapted
I'm gonna post some thoughts in my next post, just wanted to put this out there as a talking point.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 13:02:11 GMT -5
Between my PM convo with James elsewhere and reading back over the thread I meant to have made another post sooner lol. My thoughts right now are this: TOWN LEANKunt Zaclord Mylo NULL/UNDECIDEDGravey Webi Greentoo Cynthia Sam SLIGHT SCUM VIBESLeo Willapted Vote: WillaptedI'm gonna post some thoughts in my next post, just wanted to put this out there as a talking point. Could you elaborate on any of these ideas, specifically the scum leans?
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 13:02:46 GMT -5
Between my PM convo with James elsewhere and reading back over the thread I meant to have made another post sooner lol. My thoughts right now are this: TOWN LEANKunt Zaclord Mylo NULL/UNDECIDEDGravey Webi Greentoo Cynthia Sam SLIGHT SCUM VIBESLeo Willapted Vote: WillaptedI'm gonna post some thoughts in my next post, just wanted to put this out there as a talking point. Could you elaborate on any of these ideas, specifically the scum leans? Didn’t see what you said at the bottom of your post sorry.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 3, 2017 13:11:22 GMT -5
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
Day One ends Monday Dec 4th at 11pm EST
Here is where we stand right now...
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know): gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈, @touch greentoo [2] - Sambalada, willapted33 willapted33 [3] - Web, Leo ✔, Az Paynter zaclord [1] - greentoo cynthia rose [1] - @walker9
NO VOTE: Mylo13 💜 , @antigonerising
ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x24x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Della Perez Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben Klein
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 3, 2017 13:27:11 GMT -5
Sorry I haven't been much of a help. Yeah I actually agree to lynch the more inactive player, although that means I also fall into that category lol. Vote: @antigonerising. Please come in and say something.
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 13:31:30 GMT -5
Web where do you stand currently relative to Leo? I may be remembering wrong, but I recall you voicing suspicions of him earlier. You've also mentioned gravey and greentoo pasively, but your vote is on willapted33. Care to tie these thoughts together for us, as of now anyway? Sure. My early suspicions on Leo were based on his comment about being afraid to edit posts, but since then I feel that he's been one of the best contributors out of the newer players and as I said earlier I liked his point about the people sitting on the greentoo wagon. He's talking about both the setup and player connections which is good. I'm not sure if I can put him above a neutral lean yet but he's definitely not someone I'd vote for right now. I threw out that Leo/greentoo as mafia teammates thing out of desperation since we didn't have much to go on but now that everyone seems to be more active the leads don't have to be that reachy lol. gravey is again active not contributing too much (I guess we'll be waiting on his text wall of leans tomorrow/later depending on when the day ends?), I liked one of his posts earlier when he had a slight wagon since it didn't seem overly defensive even with two votes on him but since then a few of his posts (that you called out) have rubbed me the wrong way. Also don't like that it took a few different posters pulling teeth to get him to put a vote down. At this point there is 0 risk for voting your suspicions (unless you're scum not wanting to be tied to a mislynch wagon) so anyone actively posting but hesitant to vote seems scum to me. I guess to summarize gravey seems less open than last game so far. My vote on will is because he's playing the most passive game of anyone so far, hasn't brought an original thought to the table, and is voting greentoo for reasons that a bunch of other people brought up but didn't personally find suspicious enough to vote him. Sambalada and Mylo13 💜 have had a few decent posts but have both disappeared into the ether recently, I want to hear their thoughts on the current wagons/posts that they've missed.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 3, 2017 13:33:33 GMT -5
Kunt - Normally I would default to a null read based on previously-established play patterns lol so IDK if me starting with a Town read is unusual or not but at this moment I don't see anything that could be construed as scummy. I'll give you that Kunt being a veteran player would have a much better idea how not to scum slip especially so early, but I think that trying to find a viable option for 'Follow The Cop' (and failing re: Unaligned Roleblocker wildcard) speaks more to Town-ness than Codex last game confidently proposing a strategy (when he turned out to be the last scum member).
Zaclord - I don't have any specific notes on Zac, but I haven't been drawn to any specific thing from his posts. I know my reads were way off last game (I missed any signs he could be the Doctor) but I feel a little more confident so far I'm more on track this time around.
Mylo - Kid isn't as useful as some have made him out to be, after an initial burst of activity he's fallen off (and is also a non-voter smh) but I think he's more-or-less played the same as he did last game as Town. I'd have bumped him down to Null if there were a more discernible difference in his play style beyond inactivity (which right at this second I understand 'cause it's just after 5AM in Australia and he'd be sleeping right now I bet).
Gravey - I want to say Town, and as a Null read goes, I'd probably call it weak null but dude, please. If you're asked to elaborate on your statements you really oughta name names. Deflecting is wishy washy af and makes you look like you've got something to hide. What's the worst that could happen, you attract some votes your way? That's happening anyway by the look of it, and it would be more beneficial if you were a little more upfront in your thoughts.
Question: Specifically what questions did you not ask because you were satisfied other people had asked and had answered?[/i]
Thewebinator - Now since this only our second game together an auto-null read is a little more understandable. You were Town last game, and I see you acting as a driving force the same way as last time as well. I could still see this being a tool for misdirection this time around though; with a different set of new players I could see it as a sound strategy for Veteran!Scum to guide and coach the first timers on good play and how to scum-hunt just to let them lead themselves down an incorrect path (using your mentor status to encourage the misdirection). I don't know if I believe you'd do that though, which as null reads go I'd still slightly lean toward Town.
Greentoo - I think you're drawing needless attention to yourself bringing up multiple times how you'll be useful to Town later, especially since all you had on you at the time was one vote (out of a required six). I know this is your first time, but that seems like jumping the gun a little. I also see an association has been made between you and Leo because of how quickly the two of you voted Gravey, but I don't see that connection sticking. Sam also said he saw a link between you and Gravey, which I also don't see. Null read for now, but this could easily be swayed.
Cynthia - I forgot bish had made a word wall already, but there's been no follow-up since and I have nothing more to go on. Easy null read 'cause there's almost nothing to go on.
Sambalada - Bish what, you're just gonna sit back and observe? IDK what good that does, and I wouldn't say it's overtly scummy but you're not really adding anything to the discussion, and throwing out a random association nobody else has brought up stands out to me. Null leaning scum.
Leo - I could see immediately inquiring about post editing as being a new player but why would your first thought be regarding covering your tracks and being paranoid what you say? If you say something 'wrong' people will challenge you and you can address this, otherwise you're also free to change your thoughts and alter your perceptions as new information comes to light. There is no 'wrong' thing to say unless you already know you have a reason to cover your ass. I also don't know why a new player would be so quick to get a wagon going. Newbie Town would be more likely to jump on an already-formed wagon, not be the one to try and get it rolling. That stands out to me, which is why I lean scum on you.
Willapted - IDK if it's just that you're also a new player, but I don't understand as a new player why you would target the player who is arguably the most helpful to Town at this moment (Webi) unless you were interested in stifling the flow of conversation by eliminating a driving force in the game. I also have thoughts about you changing tack to greentoo - I feel he's a little too convenient a target change, and not a wagon I'm in favour of right now. I realize both players you've targeted are people I have as a null read but what you've contributed seems scummier to me than anything either of them have done to this point.
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Post by Az Paynter on Dec 3, 2017 13:35:11 GMT -5
Also, did we agree to go for the extension? I'm in favour of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:39:22 GMT -5
Az Paynter my answer to your question is the replies to the role info stuff.
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 13:40:15 GMT -5
Sam you've only talked about greentoo, gravey, and now very briefly cynthia. What are your thoughts on the other players?
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 13:41:24 GMT -5
also everyone vote yes for the extension, there's 0 reason why we should be against getting another day to work through some of the connections that are just now starting to be made
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 3, 2017 13:41:48 GMT -5
Also, did we agree to go for the extension? I'm in favour of it. The Extension is official! Tomorrow night at 11pm EST is when this Day round ends.
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 3, 2017 13:45:45 GMT -5
wow I didn't know my noob question about editing post to fix grammar mistakes could give me a scum reading. Again, punctualizing my mistake with my first post shouldn't give me a scum read, more when I'm already explained that and I'm trying to contribute. I accept your point Az, but I don't think it should be considered when (again) I've explained that.
This could sound a little defensive but I'm trying to not.
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 3, 2017 14:07:09 GMT -5
Currently writing my thought on some of the responses so far.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 14:10:39 GMT -5
Right now I’m just gonna say what lean each player is giving me, if you want to know any specific reasons behind any of them, just ask, but I don’t have time to write them all here atm.
Town gravey Az Paynter thewebinator
Neutral Kunt Leo zaclord thewebinator
Scum Myloninja13 Sambalada Cynthia Rose willapted
unvote zaclord
Vote: willapted
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 14:12:27 GMT -5
I'd like to know the reason why I'm both town and neutral lol
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 14:16:36 GMT -5
Sorry, I meant town. I got you confused with another player so I changed you to town but didn’t delete it from neutral.
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Post by castleoblivion26 on Dec 3, 2017 14:21:56 GMT -5
DAY ONE All Aboard the Polar Express!
Day One ends Monday Dec 4th at 11pm EST
Here is where we stand right now...
VOTES (if I miss anything please let me know): gravey [2] - zaclord 🌈 , @touch greentoo [1] - willapted33 willapted33 [4] - Web , Leo ✔ , Az Paynter , greentoo cynthia rose [2] - @walker9 , Sambalada
NO VOTE: Mylo13 💜 , @antigonerising
ROLES:The ConductorSanta ClausGood ElfKrampusEvil Elves x25x TownspeopleIDENTITY'S:Adam Bowman Bonnie Walsh Chad Watson Chester Garner Della Perez Eloise Nguyen Lance McCormick Laura Campbell Lena Newton Pete Brown Ruben Klein
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Post by Leo ✔ on Dec 3, 2017 14:23:39 GMT -5
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Post by Green Baron on Dec 3, 2017 14:26:20 GMT -5
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Dec 3, 2017 14:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by Sambalada on Dec 3, 2017 14:57:15 GMT -5
My thoughts about some of the talks so far: I didn't see that about the roles, but I checked and I'll be waiting for the clarification too. We can't edit our post right? Because I'm affraid if I wrote something incorrect that could made me on the edgeI see this post more of a "I'm afraid there'll be a miscommunication between me and y'all" than a "I'm afraid I will eventually slip up my role as scum", as I actually felt the same way RE: not wanting miscommunication, so this post don't read as suspicious to me. I'm voting gravey just to see how he defends himself. Im just going to vote gravey this round. There’s no reason really just a random vote. I think that both these posts came in less than 5 minutes apart was just a coincidence, or not. I see it as greentoo being a newbie trying to follow someone in voting, not wanting to make any missteps. I'll check the connection between these two players later. Nothing suspicious Ooh, a vote against me, I wasn’t expecting that. ...this, however, is a suspicious response. Such a poor way to handle a vote towards you, tbh. Please don’t vote for me straight away. I know I can be very useful in this game and it wouldn’t be good to get rid of me. ...and it continues. This post is actually the reason why I didn't change my vote on greentoo for quite a while, especially at the moment of this post he actually only have one vote thrown at him. However, this post might also means that he can be "useful" because he's one of the power roles. I'll look up his exchange with some other players. kinda far-fetched scenario but what if a Leo and greentoo mafia wanted to try and bump off gravey (since in their eyes he'd be an easy target) so decided to pick him as their target and inadvertently voted him at roughly the same time? The fact that their votes came in within five minutes of each other is pretty weird. Yeah it's unlikely, and if the mafia has any of the experienced players I mentioned above they'd probably stop that plan but since there have been so few interactions I'm just working with what I have. Thoughts? Kinda see the logic at your point RE: voting an easy target, if I were mafia I'd do the same too. Gonna put this into thoughts. Looking at all this, I honestly don't think that the new players like greentoo are suspicious. They are brand new and they trying to be active and do what they can to help out like what myloninja did last game. So as of right now I'm getting a town lean on greentoo. Agreed. Not at the greentoo part, but at the newbies part in general. Some newbies like me doesn't know what to talk about and end up afraid to speak up as we literally don't know what are we even talking about.Looking at all this, I honestly don't think that the new players like greentoo are suspicious. They are brand new and they trying to be active and do what they can to help out like what myloninja did last game. So as of right now I'm getting a town lean on greentoo. Well what is your thought process then if you don't think newbies are suspicious? Would you rather town focus on lynching someone like thewebinator or Kunt that are helping the newbies learn or lynch someone like greentoo who doesn't know what he's doing right now and isn't being very helpful? Nothing against you greentoo, you're not the only one who is new and still figuring out what's going on. If you're defending greentoo, then who do you think is suspicious? I'd like to see you elaborate on this more and even place a vote if you're so confident in greentoo being innocent :) vote: graveyI think this response is kinda odd because: A) gravey's post are nor implying that all newbies are innocent and everyone else are suspicious so the first part kinda read as you being triggered, lol. B) gravey didn't say "greentoo is innocent", he said "newbies like greentoo are innocent" I think this can be you misreading gravey's post or me misreading your post though Unvote gravey I think he understands the new players and doesn’t vote for them just because they’re not adding anything to the game. Everyone has to start somewhere. He’s also started posting more and nothing he’s said seems suspicious. Vote: zaclord It feels like he’s trying to push people into voting for certain players and away from voting for him. Anyway I don’t think I’ll be asking many more questions. I’ve got the gist of the game now and I know most of the key terms. At the moment, I don’t have any strategies for the game so. This is the point where I started to think to unvote greentoo since he immediately unvotes gravey after gravey "defends" him. That action reads as newbie town being grateful more than anything. But then he decided to drop the ball on the second paragraph, voting for zaclord after his response to gravey's post, kinda made me thing he and gravey has a connection. Then again, that can also be viewed as something a newbie town would do after being put under the pressure so his action is pretty much ambiguous. Okay, this is interesting. Firstly, greentoo , I understand that this is your first game and you don't really understand everything yet, but saying something like "Plz don't vote for me!" is not helpful to town. If you want to avoid being voted for, ask questions. Ask a player why they don't find another one suspicious. Ask castle about the general set-up. And if people vote for you, that does not mean they are scum/mafia. They could be, but don't forget there is only 3/4 mafia members, and odds are they won't all attack the same person. Often, new players get pressure put on them because no one knows their playing style. Secondly, willapted33 , you haven't participated much at all this day period. If you are still confused, you can ask questions. If you understand the game, please talk. A majority if the time, the first day lynch is an inactive. Right now, that is undoubtedly you. Thirdly, Leo ✔ , I'd just assume the person used a PM to tell castle. Agreed. This post leads me into thinking mylo is a town lean. idk why but watching the votes I'm feeling scum vibes from will and sam, two mafia newbies voting for one town newbie which is trying to get in the game seems an easy lynch. The other mafia could be a old inactive player (aka cinthya or mylo). [/b]Vote: willapted33[/b][/quote] Lol, dead, etc. @ this post. Not because you are putting suspicion on me but because this just seems so random. Can't say this post is suspicious but the reasoning of this post is poorly written. I get the logic behind it, but more thoughts put into it would help. There has been literally no other exchange between Leo and greentoo so I think their early wagon on gravey is just a fluke, or maybe they are that good at covering up. Also not liking how gravey constantly defending greentoo after he got votes put on him, but I think he just doesn't want a mislynch to happen. ...and that's it. GOD writing sentences in a language I don't use daily is SWEATBREAKING.
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Post by Web on Dec 3, 2017 15:12:44 GMT -5
...and now I'm getting paranoid at how easily and quickly this willtaped wagon is building with little resistance, idk if it warrants the five votes it has at this point based on the current evidence against him. Still waiting for his response to hopefully clear things up. Pretty busy this afternoon and evening but I'll try to pop in if I can, thankfully with the extension that isn't as much of a problem.
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 3, 2017 15:19:41 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how to respond to anything
I can clear one thing up though, for people saying I'm inactive it's because the main time I'm on Pulse, barely anything happens and no one's really online, and the most active time for Pulse is when I'm asleep.
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Post by greentoo on Dec 3, 2017 15:32:49 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how to respond to anything I can clear one thing up though, for people saying I'm inactive it's because the main time I'm on Pulse, barely anything happens and no one's really online, and the most active time for Pulse is when I'm asleep. Do you have suspicions of anyone other than me? If so, give reasons.
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Post by willapted33 on Dec 3, 2017 15:35:30 GMT -5
I honestly don't know how to respond to anything I can clear one thing up though, for people saying I'm inactive it's because the main time I'm on Pulse, barely anything happens and no one's really online, and the most active time for Pulse is when I'm asleep. Do you have suspicions of anyone other than me? If so, give reasons. I think gravey was acting weirdly at the beginning until someone said something about it, as he was very fast to defend you and I in particular. I'm not sure how this could relate to the roles though.
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