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Post by Albie on Jan 11, 2018 15:44:37 GMT -5
I can kind of see a Surf and Albie mafia team. The way Albie tried to make it look like Surf has actually posted some meaningful stuff when he actually hasn’t is a bit weird. Just putting it out there but I’m probably wrong so. Albie : Of all the players, I have the most suspicion on greentoo. He hasn't made any post that screams scummy but he was acting really weird. All of his reasons to vote for someone and his responds to people's questions put me off. Sam and Green too, thank you for answering one of my questions. I was also looking to have your opinions on the rest of the players and not just whom you found most suspicious. I suppose one can assume that you don't find the rest of the players suspicious because you didn't mention them but better not to put words in your mouths. If you're still able to answer that part of the question, it'd be great to hear.
Regarding Surf and I as a mafia team, well I'll say that at least you're throwing things out there and I can't blame you for grasping as straws as that's what we've got to work with. I will say that when I mentioned Surf in my player analysis post, I didn't make it out to look like he's posted anything of meaning. Really he hasn't. I was acknowledging the fact that he has indeed been regularly active in the game, even if the only thing he'd done was ask questions of players (mainly you). But it at least it came off as some sort of attempt to spur discussion which the thread had severely been lacking up until last night/this morning.
Also, nothing wrong with making wrong conclusions because, again, at least you're throwing ideas out there and that is the sort of gameplay that we need. Now if you can just back up your ideas a little better you'll be off to a better start.
Okay thinking bout it now, can greentoo singling Barbie out in the first place was to distance himself from his (mafia) partner? But then, Barbi didn't try to defend greentoo at all so I don't think it was the case. Just so I'm clear, you think there is a possibility that Greentoo and Barbie are distancing? I like that people are thinking about mafia pairs in a sense, but also I don't like it because there is not much to go off of. Not just this game, but generally on D1 its hard enough to try and pin down any scum let alone getting the pairing down. But still, looking for those connections and putting those thoughts out there can be helpful for when D2 rolls around as we have potential leads. Btw, in my mind, Barbie not defending Greentoo would probably be a better strategy were they a scum team. Coco, are you saying that you think this could be a distancing effort between Mylo and Greentoo? Or simply that Mylo's connection attempt was too much of a stretch?
[/b] Its way to draw conclusions and i dont want to make assumptions because i think it would deter people being open and playing the way they are playing i was just curious that post happened after a couple of votes and sometimes that could be a distancing thing or it could be harmless. Just threw it out here so we can talk about it that is all. I thinking we are rushing to conclusions alot which is natural this early in the game. I dont like the reasons for green or the reasons for Sam who has contributed as little as a lot of people and i think his english isnt greatest? What has green said that is so scummy? short one liners? i tagged Barbie cause up to the last post she hasnt said much, is that scummy? where is Cynthia? im having a hard time deciding because its not always the one who say the least that are scum, sometimes and often its the ones who say the most. So im at the point of reading through the thread but its hard to digest it, when im working so much so tonight and friday will be dedicated to the game. however my usual M.O is to throw out things, created discussion and read what is said. If anyone expects flimsy dissertations based on nothing from me hun youll be waiting a long ass time. I go off whats infront of me and so far nothing, but its improving today! [/p] [/quote] [/p]
I know what you mean about deterring people from being open. People tend to close up or not want to put forth their ideas when they start to feel cornered or in danger, especially this early on in the game. I don't think we are rushing to conclusions, per se, but any conclusions that have been drawn so far are flimsy at best. Which is why I didn't even try to do my player analysis based on scummy to least scummy. Do I think Greentoo and Sam are scummy. No. I worked on who was even playing in any manner that would be beneficial to town at the moment. Not playing or contributing is not helpful and while that is in no way a guarantee that we're going to get the lynch right, given what we've got, there is something to be said for trimming the fat, if you will. Unless of course, players like Sam, Greentoo and Cynthia step up their game in the next 24 hours.
Also, surfy I'll be looking for you to continue your thoughts on the rest of the players later on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:02:04 GMT -5
#mod: @antigonerising has been prodded i feel so violated
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Post by Albie on Jan 11, 2018 16:14:45 GMT -5
Oh good Cynthia lives and breathes. And thank you for the reminder that Greentoo is playing similarly to last game and that he was mislynched basically for his play style last time. I couldn't remember how that had gone down last time and I know we shouldn't necessarily bring past play into things but at the moment its something to consider.
Here is an unofficial Vote Count as we haven't had one for 2 pages now and some votes shuffled around since then.
BackwoodsBarbie [1]: Surf greentoo [3]: BackwoodsBarbie, Sam, Libra Libra [1]: Coco Milo [1]: Cynthia Sam [3]: Greentoo*, Mylo, Albie
*vote wasn’t formatted properly but I assume it’ll count and also it shows us the full picture
Surf - I notice your vote is still on Barbie. Do you still find her suspicious? You made mention of understanding that its time to move out of RVS voting but you yourself haven't done so. Is your vote still there because you don't want to put players in the hot seat at L1? I think what I'm saying is I need to hear from you more so hopefully you can finish up your post from earlier by some point tomorrow.
Coco- your vote is still on Libra and that's also from RVS. You've mentioned no suspicion of him at the moment. But you've also mentioned not feeling comfortable with voting anyone in particular just yet so I assume that's the reason for keeping your RVS vote and not unvoting either.
I was going to mention Cynthia and her vote on Mylo as its the singular one but then she showed up so yeah.
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Post by surfy on Jan 11, 2018 16:19:51 GMT -5
***POST FROM CLASS*** Albie - yes I didn’t want to switch my vote just yet onto someone such as greentoo because I have heard very little from him so far and I don’t feel strong enough conviction to give scum power to hammer if he were to be town. But I suppose I could do this: Unvote: BackwoodsBarbie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:22:12 GMT -5
Just so I'm clear, you think there is a possibility that Greentoo and Barbie are distancing? I like that people are thinking about mafia pairs in a sense, but also I don't like it because there is not much to go off of. Not just this game, but generally on D1 its hard enough to try and pin down any scum let alone getting the pairing down. But still, looking for those connections and putting those thoughts out there can be helpful for when D2 rolls around as we have potential leads. Btw, in my mind, Barbie not defending Greentoo would probably be a better strategy were they a scum team. I'm personally a bit torn on this as normally, D1 is the one day where it's the hardest to spot even one mafia player, never mind tie two players together; but in the past two games, one or more scum players gave themselves away early and made some teammate connections easy to spot. So the no longer "new," but still newish players may be accustomed to this and more willing to quickly jump into the connect-the-dots pool than we are. It does seem that suspicion is circling the most around mylo, greentoo, and Barbie (and fwiw these are/were my 3 biggest suspects as well), which could be accurate but could also be scum letting us dogpile on someone innocent. So we need to be careful of that too. But yeah, if any of those three were to flip scum it is definitely worth noting that Barbie has not been around to defend either of the other two that I have seen. Let's consider reasons for looking at other players before we commit to one of those three. - EG an attempt to connect you (albie) and Surf was made, I presume b/c you two have made the most substantial analysis and you've been openly engaging each other/asking the other one for thoughts. While we're used to scum partners typically trying to avoid one another, you two could be trying a reverse psychology game by doing the opposite. - Libra has been active, but upon re-reading his posts there's not as much meat there as one might think, once you put aside his greentoo vote/analysis. - My reasons for thinking Coco is town (not paying attention to rules, asking questions about balance in an open setup) could just as easily be her bluffing. - Sam's posting style may not be much different from last game, but his immediate proactive participation is. This could be scum trying to avoid the things that drew attention to him the last time. - it is also worth noting that while albie and Surf's posts have the most overall substance, Coco and Libra are the two who have the highest post counts thus far. Could this be an attempt to look helpful without actually being helpful? It's always good to evaluate things from the opposite POV to avoid a tunnel-vision trap. With that said, I think the 'opposite' angle here that jumps out at me the most rn is Libra. I had no idea where to place him earlier but it might be worth looking into why he singled out greentoo (or more broadly, why he chose to single out any one player at all and virtually ignore analysis of others).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:27:04 GMT -5
wait i'm wrong there's actually more suspicion on Sam right now. huh. that is kind of weird as a quick skim through the thread didn't feel as if there was strong suspicion there. that's interesting.
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Post by Albie on Jan 11, 2018 16:40:53 GMT -5
Just so I'm clear, you think there is a possibility that Greentoo and Barbie are distancing? I like that people are thinking about mafia pairs in a sense, but also I don't like it because there is not much to go off of. Not just this game, but generally on D1 its hard enough to try and pin down any scum let alone getting the pairing down. But still, looking for those connections and putting those thoughts out there can be helpful for when D2 rolls around as we have potential leads. Btw, in my mind, Barbie not defending Greentoo would probably be a better strategy were they a scum team. I'm personally a bit torn on this as normally, D1 is the one day where it's the hardest to spot even one mafia player, never mind tie two players together; but in the past two games, one or more scum players gave themselves away early and made some teammate connections easy to spot. So the no longer "new," but still newish players may be accustomed to this and more willing to quickly jump into the connect-the-dots pool than we are. It does seem that suspicion is circling the most around mylo, greentoo, and Barbie (and fwiw these are/were my 3 biggest suspects as well), which could be accurate but could also be scum letting us dogpile on someone innocent. So we need to be careful of that too. But yeah, if any of those three were to flip scum it is definitely worth noting that Barbie has not been around to defend either of the other two that I have seen. Let's consider reasons for looking at other players before we commit to one of those three. - EG an attempt to connect you (albie) and Surf was made, I presume b/c you two have made the most substantial analysis and you've been openly engaging each other/asking the other one for thoughts. While we're used to scum partners typically trying to avoid one another, you two could be trying a reverse psychology game by doing the opposite. - Libra has been active, but upon re-reading his posts there's not as much meat there as one might think, once you put aside his greentoo vote/analysis. - My reasons for thinking Coco is town (not paying attention to rules, asking questions about balance in an open setup) could just as easily be her bluffing. - Sam's posting style may not be much different from last game, but his immediate proactive participation is. This could be scum trying to avoid the things that drew attention to him the last time. - it is also worth noting that while albie and Surf's posts have the most overall substance, Coco and Libra are the two who have the highest post counts thus far. Could this be an attempt to look helpful without actually being helpful? It's always good to evaluate things from the opposite POV to avoid a tunnel-vision trap. With that said, I think the 'opposite' angle here that jumps out at me the most rn is Libra. I had no idea where to place him earlier but it might be worth looking into why he singled out greentoo (or more broadly, why he chose to single out any one player at all and virtually ignore analysis of others). Maybe you haven't caught up all the way but the opposite was concluded over the last page or so regarding Surf's posting. And I'll reiterate, I was taking into account that he was at least engaging, checking in and asking a question or so despite short posts and little substance. I'm not sure where you've gotten Surf lumped into the category of posts with substance though?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:58:04 GMT -5
Albie Just based on what is in here/comparison to everyone else's content. 'Substance' is a relative term lol And to clarify, I was only speculating on the reason someone suggested you two were partners, not saying I believe it myself (for the moment, i don't, and once I take that theory off the table I don't have a lot to work with in terms of forcing either of you into a scum box).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 17:18:15 GMT -5
#mod: votes must be formatted correctly to count. I wasn’t aware greentoo had attempted to vote because it wasn’t in bold. To remedy issues like this in the future I’m going to require this rule be followed, and as such greentoo’s vote will not count until it is properly formatted. Thank you for understanding.
I will have an official votecount prepared at approximately 8pm tonight.
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Post by greentoo on Jan 11, 2018 17:25:32 GMT -5
I’ll try and format it right but I’m on mobile so.
Vote: Sam
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 11, 2018 18:13:11 GMT -5
Okay, I'm awake and ready to talk. So before I forget, I'll do simple mentions on all the characters. NOTE: These aren't in order. Libra: He's obviously very helpful, but as it was mentioned multiple times in the last game, that is a double-edged sword. Very few people are suspicious of him, but I personally don't think he'd change his posts that much regardless of affiliation. He's played a lot of games, so people like Coco and Albie know his posting style too well for him to get away with being "Quiet" or "Not contributing to town". Town lean, but certainly going to always be wary.Coco: Sorry if this sounds rude, but it's always hard for me to understand your posts. Are they jokey? Are they being serious, but with a joke or two in them? Are you trying to help genuinely, but don't know where to start? I'll give you a town lean, but not really for your behaviour, and more because I'm an "Innocent until proven guilty" person. Town lean.BackwoodsBarbie: I'll admit that in the first game I played, you kind of slipped my mind. This game is not that case, and I see you trying to be helpful and engaging in meaningful discussion. I'll admit that you still sort of slip my mind if I don't look at one of your posts, but you are a town lean for now. Town lean.
Albie: You are always hard for me to dissect, but I think this game has you showing a very similar posting style to Swift Island. I do like your emphasis on quoting players and asking questions, and easy way to get discussion going without people asking "WHHHyY Areeer YouUO Askinig MEMe?????? VOtoee: Abile!". I do somewhat have an unusual feeling about you though, just something I can't put my finger on. Still, I would be surprised if you pulled mafai, which I'll give you a town lean for. Town Lean. Surf: As I write this, I don't think I remember a thing you did. I only remember you voting for greentoo and getting put into an alleged mafia partner with him. Let me have a look a again before continuing. *TWO MINUTES LATER* Oh, you asked the mod a question and called out Greentoo quite a few times. Those posts seem genuine enough, and you did somewhat contribute to the discussion. I'm not sure though, you just seem kind of unwilling to go out there. I remember reading through the mafia game where all of the town were either gladiators, questioners or you. In that game, you brought a fire to your words and questioned and called out people strongly. You don't seem to be as strong this game. Still, I am "Innocent until proven guilty", and you have been a somewhat interesting character. Slight Town lean.
Sambalada: I'm leaving my vote on you for now, but I definitely find greentoo more suspicious now. You still have been... weird? In your last game you had a somewhat similar posting style to Albie, but this game you seem to be a greentoo minor. Posting small choppy pieces of somewhat helpful information is not very helpful to town. I'm not saying to suddenly bust out 200+ words essays on Coco's latest misspelling, but please if you keep doing small posts, try to post something that challenges people. I liked post #85, it quoted a source to help prove your point. Completely middle of the road, not maf or town.
Greentoo: Oh boy... Last game I targeted you pretty viciously, but I'll admit that was "Oh there's a sus player and I'm maf get him!" instead of any actual evidence. But here, even if I was mafia, I'd certainly have a lot of evidence against you. First, you still haven't properly answered the question about why you chose Sam over BackwoodsBarbie. Sorry if you're tired of this, but you said "Vote: Sam, There's nothing else to go on*. So Sam was something, and you voted for him as such. NOPE, he was a random vote. Oh... so it was the only thing worth noting on, but it was random. Huh. Intriguing. I guess you haven't commented on anyone else th- No one really comes across as scum to me yet except maybe Backwoods Barbie. The way they just came straight onto me looking for someone to point to was a bit weird. Everyone has raised good ideas about the game so far. Oh... so Barbie was scummish? Only maybe though. And Sam replied wondering if this were shade, and if it were then maybe I would be kinder. But he replied saying it wasn't. Which means he thinks Everyone but Barbie was posting something important, Sambalada included. Which means he A) Read people's posts and should have way more to go on than a random vote B) Thinks that Sam was helpful, before voting him over Barbie for a Random Vote.And then he NEVER actually responds to choosing Sambalada over Backwoods, just that Sam was a random OMGUS vote, I guess on the lines that he is town and anyone who votes him isn't? Greentoo , have you changed your mind on BackwoodsBarbie at all? Is she still scummy?Anyway, he's the only person I'd actually argue is mafia. I was debating on whether or not to do this, but you know what? I'll go with myself for a change. I'm actually taking an educated risk rather than a predictable and unhelpful safe path. VOTE: Greentoo.
IF YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE TO GREENTOO, HE WILL BE LYNCHED. GREENTOO, PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. WHO IS SUSPICIOUS TO YOU? WHY SHOULD YOU STAY IN THE GAME?
*Phew* Rant over. Oh and Cynthia Rose: Meh she seems okay, maybe if she posted more I'd talk about her more. Town lean.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 20:03:53 GMT -5
Oh and Cynthia Rose: Meh she seems okay, maybe if she posted more I'd talk about her more. I have more posts than you now, but ok
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 20:07:43 GMT -5
It does seem that suspicion is circling the most around mylo, greentoo, and Barbie (and fwiw these are/were my 3 biggest suspects as well), which could be accurate but could also be scum letting us dogpile on someone innocent. So we need to be careful of that too. Just a friendly reminder now that greentoo is at L-1! I am going to read back over the thread and return later tonight with some thoughts but right now I'm not really feeling this potential lynch. (Yes, I realize this contradicts an earlier comment that I wouldn't be opposed to a greentoo lynch).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 20:11:48 GMT -5
It is now Day 1.Deadline has been set for 01/12/2018 at 11:59 PM ESTDay 1 Vote Count (002): It takes 5/9 Votes to lynch! greentoo [4]: BackwoodsBarbie, Sam, Libra, Milo Libra [1]: Coco Milo [1]: Cynthia Sam [2]: Albie, greentoo Not Voting: Surf #mod: greentoo is now L-1. This reminder is a courtesy as this game operates on a "new" Hammer Policy (refer to Reply #3, or Rule #9). Players will not receive any further reminders of this nature for the remainder of the game.
Additionally, an edit has been made to the opening post of the thread under "SETUP AND PLAYERS". Formerly, the OP did not clarify if the mafia had received safe claims. The post should now reflect that scum has not received safe claims as is standard of Open Setups. This edit was made for purposes of transparency.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Jan 12, 2018 0:54:13 GMT -5
Finishing my post I started a few hours back. The two people who I found the most beneficial to town so far are Albie and Libra.
Albie - He's been asking questions and posting his opinions. His posts have a content he also posts regularly. The thing that stands out the most in a positive way is that he started "post your opinion on what players do you find most expendable?". So now if everyone answers this question with a little analysis of each player we have something to work with today and in the D2 phase. On the other hand a really good mafia player would play the game in the same way. In the first mafia game that I played someone said that the best scum player is actually acting in the way that appears to be beneficial to the town and Albie could easily fall into this category. I'm watching your action with extra attention but you are safe for now.
Libra - very similar situation as described above in terms of posting his opinions and being very active. It also appears very town that he was keeping this game alive on the first and second day when not many people were posting long post and not much was going on. I don't think how I feel about him suggesting people to use breadcrumbing - if something goes wrong with this technique scums will much easier find who the town power roles are but then again I've never heard of breadcrumbing before and if this technique is actually proven to be beneficial to town then is probably a good idea. He is also an experienced player so it will be very hard to figure out if he is a scum or not. I'm watching your action with extra attention but you are safe for now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 1:46:44 GMT -5
Coco: Sorry if this sounds rude, but it's always hard for me to understand your posts. Are they jokey? Are they being serious, but with a joke or two in them? Are you trying to help genuinely, but don't know where to start? I'll give you a town lean, but not really for your behaviour, and more because I'm an "Innocent until proven guilty" person. Town lean.
I'm not saying to suddenly bust out 200+ words essays on Coco's latest misspelling.
Wait who this bitch with the shade tree over my head. Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 1:56:39 GMT -5
Obviously my vote on Libra staying on libra is me not feeling comfortable putting it elsewhere but also comfortable that libra wouldn't be lynched in my absence.
But that doesn't mean I'm writing him off as town just yet either.
The only people in this game who give me strong town feel is Albie and to a much lesser extent Cynthia. Albie because he actively searching option not targeting specific people. Cynthia because she she has given us two different posts with different options. That's important because everyone could be scum. Good players. Bad players. Talkative or not.
The most suspicious for me so far is Barbie because I feel like she only made a long comment after prodded and her intial post before that was to go after one individual player where I think it's important to go after options not target so early.
Milo is playing a good game just not sure if it's good town or good scum. She seems feisty? Clearly shady and giving her ideas but at the same time very definitely could be taken as deceptive. And unless my memory serves me wrong she was quick to make a link out of thin air. Why?
I really don't know what to make of surf, Sam and green. Surf has made contribution but I have no read yet, Sam has tried bless his heart, green hasn't bothered yet to defend himself and I want to hear from him? Like you're at the brink where are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 2:03:12 GMT -5
Posts that stuck out so far "BackwoodsBarbie Avatar Jan 9, 2018 at 5:28am BackwoodsBarbie said: The one thing that I'm a little confused about is if town tracker pick town watcher to track will town tracker get the information that town watcher did something at night? If this is the case that Town tracker not only can make a type 2 error but can also make type 1 error." Then Milo n 9, 2018 at 6:10am Myloninja13 said: For 2, things become more complicated, but bear with me. Let me provide a hypothetical example: Night 1: Person A is watcher and finds innocent from Person B Person C is tracker and finds no activity from Person D. I’m here guys! Don’t really have much to say because this set up is so different from the other one I’ve done. I agree that claiming will be useless here and will end up with you being either killed or lynched by default. It will be so easy for the mafia to hide this game I think. Also, it will be extremely difficult for a mafia to be lynched unless by chance without one of the cops being killed. I understand that I’m not really adding any ideas to the game, I’m just going over it in my mind, plus I have to post here so the mods don’t think I’m inactive. I really don't like this post. You are not beneficial to town in any way if you say that you have nothing to say and the only reason for you to post is the fact that mod won't think that you are inactive. But the attitude like that is beneficial to scums because they will hidde easily if no one does anything and we all just wait. This "easy set up" is actualy not that easy to understand and I think it would be benificial to town if you tell us your opinion on the whole set up and what other players said before. The second thing (the bolded part) Why would person who claimed their role be lynched? Unless you are thinking that it's a bad thing for a scum to claim their role? Because this sentence makes no sense if you are a town player, it's like you are trying to warn scum that claiming his role will get him lynched. Vote: greentoo And then right after and the most suspicious post yet because it sounds like deflection and comes as defensive and gives no reason at all. Doesn't even try to refute was said and what was said was flimsy No one really comes across as scum to me yet except maybe Backwoods Barbie. The way they just came straight onto me looking for someone to point to was a bit weird. Everyone has raised good ideas about the game so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 2:23:11 GMT -5
My reaction to Miss Milo coming for me or editing a post on day 1, coming for me half jokey or serious , coming for my spelling. Also shading THE fuck outta cunthia but who cares about her . I didn't know you were so cunty Aussie but I'm digging it. I'm not entirely sure what it all means but im drunk of wine and digging it. So far.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 2:24:34 GMT -5
I'll vote when Libra and surf and green speak
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Post by surfy on Jan 12, 2018 3:06:13 GMT -5
Hey everyone, my therapist has recommended me to start going to sleep earlier each night because she’s noticed trouble in my sleep patterns. So I have to go to sleep and I just got to my room 10 minutes ago...
But tomorrow after class I WILL finish my post ASAP! I’m so sorry because I don’t want to stall or derail the game and I wish I could be contributing much more than I am!!!
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Post by greentoo on Jan 12, 2018 3:26:38 GMT -5
There’s not really any reason I voted for Sam instead of Barbie. I thought the day was nearly over for some reason so I just decided to randomly vote someone. There was honestly no reason.
I’ll change it to Barbie now seeing as everyone is going on at me about it. Vote: Backwoods
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Post by Mylo13 💜 on Jan 12, 2018 4:10:33 GMT -5
My reaction to Miss Milo coming for me or editing a post on day 1, coming for me half jokey or serious , coming for my spelling. Also shading THE f**k outta cunthia but who cares about her . I didn't know you were so cunty Aussie but I'm digging it. I'm not entirely sure what it all means but im drunk of wine and digging it. So far. Oh, I didn't mean to start shading lol. The first edit post could have been anyone, and I still would have pointed it. The half serious and jokey was I though obvious by your previous games lol. And the spelling was only based on your RT offerings. Also, I'm kind of male. Anyway, I'm going to Unvote: Greentoo because it was a bit rash of me to put a player at L-1 already, especially when a significant portion of people defend said person. That being said, if it gets close to end of day and no other person has a significant lynch possibility that I support, I'll throw a vote his way in a heartbeat. To Greentoo: Sorry if it seems I'm being harsh on you, it's just that I don't understand your motives and reasons, and when I do they don't seem reasonable reasons. If you want be to be less harsh on you, please try to help town more, and defend yourself less. Just asking questions, challenging lines, things like that.
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Jan 12, 2018 4:37:56 GMT -5
Obviously my vote on Libra staying on libra is me not feeling comfortable putting it elsewhere but also comfortable that libra wouldn't be lynched in my absence. But that doesn't mean I'm writing him off as town just yet either. The only people in this game who give me strong town feel is Albie and to a much lesser extent Cynthia. Albie because he actively searching option not targeting specific people. Cynthia because she she has given us two different posts with different options. That's important because everyone could be scum. Good players. Bad players. Talkative or not. The most suspicious for me so far is Barbie because I feel like she only made a long comment after prodded and her intial post before that was to go after one individual player where I think it's important to go after options not target so early. Milo is playing a good game just not sure if it's good town or good scum. She seems feisty? Clearly shady and giving her ideas but at the same time very definitely could be taken as deceptive. And unless my memory serves me wrong she was quick to make a link out of thin air. Why? I really don't know what to make of surf, Sam and green. Surf has made contribution but I have no read yet, Sam has tried bless his heart, green hasn't bothered yet to defend himself and I want to hear from him? Like you're at the brink where are you? First I never only focused on Greentoo - yes I did vote for him and I explained my reasons for voting him in 2 different posts - now if you read everything I wrote you won't have much trouble finding this posts (and if you didn't it's post #76 and #35). But even though my vote is still on him I never said he is the only suspicious person because he is not - actually I never even said that I think anyone is town for sure because I don't know that yet but what I do know is the fact that he's not contributing anything to discussion in best and he is scum in the worst case scenario. Second - response to the bolded part - In a previous paragraph you said that you think Cynthia is town. So now please explain to me how do you not find her suspicious because she did the exact same thing - she only posted when she was asked to do so not to mention that she was absent for even longer period of time than I was? I will also add to that that she voted for mylo in post #23 with even lesser explanation that I gave when I vote for greentoo the next day. So I don't think that what Cynthia did is bad I actually think that on D1 we need to find everything suspicious but If you are trying to use some argument then I think it would be only fair that you don't say that you have scum lean on one person that did the thing you mentioned in argument and the other person who did very similar things is a town lean. Also you have a right to think that I'm a scum all I wish is that you would explain your hunch in a little better way. In your next post you used this post of mine as the most suspicious one: T he one thing that I'm a little confused about is if town tracker pick town watcher to track will town tracker get the information that town watcher did something at night? If this is the case that Town tracker not only can make a type 2 error but can also make type 1 error." After Albie asked me about this post in the post #11 I explained everything in post #16. So I'm not saying that the way I explained my view on this tracker/watcher situation was perfect but I tried my best and I was also the first one to try to explain this set up because I found it way more complicated than it looked at first sight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 4:51:57 GMT -5
Milo I know you're a guy but love to call guy sis! It's a thing. I know you're joking!
Barb's I did kinda hint why I said I liked that Cynthia gave two different set of opinions I find in some cases that's helpful to town but nowhere did I say strong lean, just a lean towards town but it's fkimsy at best. Also I just wanted to hear more from you , my lean on you is probably nothing but it's just asked on those couple of odd things. I do like unlike others instead of answering back with a defensive fishy fos you stated a case.
I'm still torn however but based on the two posts from surf and green waiting might not be the first idea until Friday morning/afternoon. Also waiting on libra .
I don't know what to make of Milo change of heart and also green rather than defending himself or providing a few thoughts changed his vote again. What do we think of Surf? What about libra? Still a few questions remaining.
Late and I'm tired gnight
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 4:54:22 GMT -5
Myloninja - His first foray into serious gameplay also involved discussing the set-up. He also went down the rabbit hole a little too far with it (LOL). Page 2, he took the stance that being an "accepted" Town figure was kind of dangerous, which I'm not sure what to make of. I did like that on Page 3, he looked at someone else besides the biggest target, greentoo, albeit his rationale was that his pick is possibly connected to greentoo. I don't know if I'm sold on what he was looking at with it, but his willingness to consider another possibility was good. His sudden switch to jumping on the greentoo wagon is strange, though, and gives me pause. I lean more Town on Mylo than not, with that vote switch being the only real question mark.
greentoo - My post at the top of Page 3 covers the first two pages; his saying he just chose a random person to vote for when he voted Sam, seems like more of the same. His suggesting a Surf-Albie team is also really odd, in that that's something that prompted him to speak up? Coco's asked him what he's basing that off of, which he hasn't answered, and now his vote is on Barbie. I can't say that I'm absolutely sure about green!scum, but what I am sure of is that other than that possible read, he hasn't been very helpful.
Cynthia - A fair bit of RVS on Page 1, save for her as-to-be-expected wordwall, which addresses Tracker-Watcher interaction and then some. Then went MIA for a while (oop). Her suspicion of Mylo being her strongest (as of end Page 3) just because he clocked Coco over a rule violation is borderline-OMGUS, but now on this page she isn't shy about considering other possibilities (heck, she's almost advocating for doing that). I lean Town on her right now.
Coco - Page 3 is where we start to see bits of substance/meaningful points from her, even if they are just that. Still, she's pointing out things that she notices. I lean Town on her, because I can't honestly say that there's something she's said that makes me think scum; I do also like her approaching questionable stances with skepticism (Surf-Albie, the greentoo and Sam suspicions).
Sam - Also posting largely in bits. Took a stance on Tracker strategy on Page 2, but when questioned about it by Albie, lowkey backs off from it citing getting mixed up. (Now that I think about it, it's interesting that he offered a how-to only for the Tracker.) He's attentive to questions asked of him and definitely appears committed to greentoo-wagon; hell, ever since I put greentoo at L-2, every Sam post has been about green or been a response to him (except for one calling for Cynthia to weigh in). The tunnel-vision is real. I'll say Null for him, because I'm not really confident leaning either way with him.
Surf - Null almost on principle; there just isn't much to go on. Also seems most suspicious of greentoo, albeit less actively-committed to that in that he hasn't voted green. Actually - he took his (RVS) vote off of Barbie and as of this typing doesn't have it on anyone; this despite telling greentoo earlier that every vote makes a difference and needs reasoning. (Not putting it greentoo yet is fine, but not putting it on anyone else at all is like - why?)
Albie - Began with assessing the set-up and a little RVS. From there, I get the general sense that he's been feeling his way forward throughout Day 1, basing his contributions on what's been said/happening. That is to say, he's been taking in everything and putting in effort to build upon it all. I do also like that he got the ball rolling on us giving our player reads and gave us a second potential option of Sam-wagon (albeit hampered by Mylo's sudden vote-switch). Oh, and the unofficial vote count above. I feel confident in him being my strongest Town read thus far.
Barbie will be in a separate post.
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Post by Libra on Jan 12, 2018 4:58:28 GMT -5
BackwoodsBarbie - Started in by assessing the game set-up right out of the gate. Jumped on greentoo with an early vote, the game's first real serious vote. Hasn't made very many posts since Page 1, but what I can't help but notice is that she's taking on the appearance of being a player who's trying to take firm stances with the posts she does make. Putting all of her posts together is probably the best way to illustrate my point, so here you go**: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]What makes me wonder if in fact her "stances" are an act, is that I do also notice some questionable statements among those. Such as: To (1), as I said earlier, how is saying that a Watcher watching a scum player at all beneficial to Town? They won't know that they're doing so in advance. To (2), the idea that a Town Tracker would mix up the Mafia Watcher-Immune and the Town Watcher just baffles me. Like, how in the heck would that happen? These feel like they were statements thrown in to help create early-on an appearance of being a Town player taking firm stances - while in fact, not actually being Town. If it were just these, that'd probably be a reach, BUT: Her early pivot to greentoo is suggestive of offering him up as a wrong turn for us to follow*. As would her larger analysis post, where she seems to focus more on our flaws or else otherwise lowkey possibilities of how so-and-so could be scum. There's definitely some mislead-er vibes coming from her, so I'm switching to Vote: BackwoodsBarbie. *RE: Following the greentoo path. Yeah, I helped push that along with putting him at L-2. As I said on Page 3, though, the point of the L-2 was for us to assess an L-2 wagon while we had ample time to do it. greentoo was really the only one on whom such a wagon could be formed, because immediately before I voted at that point, only him and Sam had more than a single vote on them. I had been one of the two votes on Sam, so my switching meant greentoo was the only option. Obviously, we have long since fulfilled the initial "assess an L-2 wagon" purpose, LOL. **I tried generating a search result that would have all her posts so I could post this as an ISO, but for whatever reason I could not get anything from this game thread except for her most recent post. It makes absolutely no sense to me and I can only surmise that it's ProBoards's search engine not giving me results properly. -_-
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Post by BackwoodsBarbie on Jan 12, 2018 5:26:46 GMT -5
BackwoodsBarbie - Started in by assessing the game set-up right out of the gate. Jumped on greentoo with an early vote, the game's first real serious vote. Hasn't made very many posts since Page 1, but what I can't help but notice is that she's taking on the appearance of being a player who's trying to take firm stances with the posts she does make. Putting all of her posts together is probably the best way to illustrate my point, so here you go**: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]What makes me wonder if in fact her "stances" are an act, is that I do also notice some questionable statements among those. Such as: To (1), as I said earlier, how is saying that a Watcher watching a scum player at all beneficial to Town? They won't know that they're doing so in advance. To (2), the idea that a Town Tracker would mix up the Mafia Watcher-Immune and the Town Watcher just baffles me. Like, how in the heck would that happen? These feel like they were statements thrown in to help create early-on an appearance of being a Town player taking firm stances - while in fact, not actually being Town. If it were just these, that'd probably be a reach, BUT: Her early pivot to greentoo is suggestive of offering him up as a wrong turn for us to follow*. As would her larger analysis post, where she seems to focus more on our flaws or else otherwise lowkey possibilities of how so-and-so could be scum. There's definitely some mislead-er vibes coming from her, so I'm switching to Vote: BackwoodsBarbie. *RE: Following the greentoo path. Yeah, I helped push that along with putting him at L-2. As I said on Page 3, though, the point of the L-2 was for us to assess an L-2 wagon while we had ample time to do it. greentoo was really the only one on whom such a wagon could be formed, because immediately before I voted at that point, only him and Sam had more than a single vote on them. I had been one of the two votes on Sam, so my switching meant greentoo was the only option. Obviously, we have long since fulfilled the initial "assess an L-2 wagon" purpose, LOL. **I tried generating a search result that would have all her posts so I could post this as an ISO, but for whatever reason I could not get anything from this game thread except for her most recent post. It makes absolutely no sense to me and I can only surmise that it's ProBoards's search engine not giving me results properly. -_-1. Well that's the exact same thing as I was saying - it won't be beneficial to town if he watch a scum because he won't know that he is watching a scum. 2. I gave watcher's power to tracker - it was a mistake and I only realised this now while I'm writing this response. 3. I explained Greentoo situation about million times as for now and I'm done explainig it. If you don't find person writing I'm only posting this so mod won't think I'm inactive just a little scummy than I'm done here. 4. Since It looks like my days playing this game are numbered and even though you are all making a mistake I have to post this (response to post #24 made by Libra). And don't get me wrong I like watching American Football from time to time but the name is really confusing.
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Post by Albie on Jan 12, 2018 8:37:18 GMT -5
Holy crap there is a lot to take in all of a sudden, where have you people been?
I am at a training seminar all day starting in half an hour but hopefully I can pop in during breaks to at least try to stay caught up. As of this post, from skimming I've gathered that Greentoo was at L1 thanks to Mylo and then a bunch of people came in and said a bunch of things and Mylo backed off of his vote. Also, I still have only seen Greentoo come in here and post in defense of himself and I still don't like that. Also, "I'm going to move my vote to Barbie so everyone can stop yelling at me" is not the business....I don't know what to make of him at this precise moment and not having fully read what everyone else has said. Interesting that Barbie is now on both Libra and Coco's radars. I need to look further into all of this but it won't be until late afternoon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 10:19:53 GMT -5
Having read and heard from everyone. I minor FOS Barbie but im not confident. While she is making effort, and while that effort could just as easily be either town or mafia at this point, the things i question are not strong enough for me to zero in on her yet.
I feel better on putting my vote on Green. due to a couple reasons i indicated earlier. Only one line defensive posts to clear his name. Wont speak on multiple people but instead zero in on one person and usually that one person is whoever accuses him, that is never helpful? or can be deceptive? all i know is that if both barbie and green are town then my gut says barbie would be most helpful? so at flimsy info. basically id rather lose green then lose barbie unless we are sure she isnt scum.
Vote: Greentoo
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