Billboard Hot 100: 1/27/2018

[#LisaRinna]

Havana ooh na na

YAS!

[Choco]

Jan 22, 2018 15:21:40 GMT -5 TakeMe said:

LOL, would be a shame if Havana turns out to be her(Camila) only solo top ten hit during her solo career, all the other hits she had were duets/features.
Nonetheless she seems to be the Bobby Brown of fifth harmony, so good for her😊

Never Be the Same is coming. Doing amazing on Spotify for a pop song.

Congrats to Halsey, Dua and Camila. Pop ladies are back. (For a week at least LOL)

[garrettlen]

Jan 22, 2018 14:17:43 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jan 22, 2018 13:25:44 GMT -5 fhas said:

The way Billboard treats Camila is embarassing for me as a chart fan. It's like they were rooting for her against Ed/Post. Despacito's 16th week at #1 didn't receive half of Havana's support from Billboard and that was the most important feat of the decade on the Hot 100.

What are you talking about? Ed got 6 weeks at #1.Havana was #1 pop for 7 weeks and had #2 on the Hot 100 for 7 weeks.It's a much deserved #1.

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

[imbondz]

Jan 22, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Jan 22, 2018 14:17:43 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

What are you talking about? Ed got 6 weeks at #1.Havana was #1 pop for 7 weeks and had #2 on the Hot 100 for 7 weeks.It's a much deserved #1.

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

Please don’t.

[leonagwen]

Jan 22, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Jan 22, 2018 14:17:43 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

What are you talking about? Ed got 6 weeks at #1.Havana was #1 pop for 7 weeks and had #2 on the Hot 100 for 7 weeks.It's a much deserved #1.

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

I'm just saying she deserved it sooner.The week before Beyonce's duet on Perfect came out, Perfect fell from #3 to #5 and of course Beyonce helped it resurge to #1.I just feel without Beyonce on Perfect, Camila would have got #1 sooner.Anyway a much deserved and earned #1 for Havana.

[forg]

Jan 22, 2018 13:25:44 GMT -5 fhas said:

The way Billboard treats Camila is embarassing for me as a chart fan. It's like they were rooting for her against Ed/Post. Despacito's 16th week at #1 didn't receive half of Havana's support from Billboard and that was the most important feat of the decade on the Hot 100.

Just wait if that BTS song becomes a top 10 hit, non stop coverage from Billboard for sure

Camila Cabello has a passionate online fanbase so I guess they are catering to them for traffic. And to stay relevant to the young ones

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2018 13:34:32 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

21. Ed Sheeran - "Shape of You" (22-21; 54th week on Hot 100)

WTF? It rose a spot? Ugh. I am over these old as* songs, but obviously many are not.

[areyoureadytojump]

www.yahoo.com/entertainment/chart-watch-needs-fifth-harmony-camila-cabello-debuts-no-1-194924563.html

Chart Watch: Who needs Fifth Harmony? Camila Cabello debuts at No. 1
by Paul Grein
Yahoo Music
January 22, 2018

Camila Cabello’s first solo album, Camila, enters the Billboard 200 at No. 1, dethroning The Greatest Showman soundtrack. Even better, her hit single “Havana” (featuring Young Thug) finally moves up to No. 1 on the Hot 100 after logging seven frustrating weeks at No. 2.

This marks the first time that an artist who rose to prominence in a group or duo has reached No. 1 with both his/her solo debut album and a single from that album since Zayn scored in 2016 with his solo debut, Mind of Mine, and its lead single, “Pillowtalk.” It’s the first time that a female artist making her solo debut has achieved this double-play since Beyoncé scored way back in 2003 with her solo debut, Dangerously in Love, and its lead single, “Crazy in Love” (featuring Jay-Z).

Fifth Harmony have yet to top either of Billboard‘s flagship pop charts. The group has climbed as high as No. 4 on the Hot 100 (with “Work from Home,” featuring Ty Dolla $ign). Fifth Harmony has climbed as high as No. 4 on the Billboard 200 twice—once with Cabello, once without her.

Cabello joins an elite club of female artists who made the top five on the Billboard 200 as part of a group and later hit No. 1 with a solo album. She follows Janis Joplin (Big Brother and the Holding Company), Diana Ross (Diana Ross & the Supremes), Stevie Nicks (Fleetwood Mac), Lauryn Hill (Fugees), Beyoncé and LeToya (both of Destiny’s Child), Selena Gomez (Selena Gomez & the Scene), and Gwen Stefani (No Doubt).

“Havana” tallied the most weeks at No. 2 for a future No. 1 song since Justin Bieber’s “Sorry,” which spent eight weeks at No. 2 before finally moving up to the top spot two years ago.


“Havana” reaches No. 1 in its 23rd chart week. That’s the slowest climb for a No. 1 hit since Sia’s “Cheap Thrills” (featuring Sean Paul) topped the chart in its 23rd week in the summer of 2016. (The last single to take an even more leisurely climb to No. 1? John Legend’s “All of Me,” which reached the top spot in its 30th week in May 2014.)

Cabello’s follow-up, “Never Be the Same,” leaps from No. 65 to No. 30 in its fifth week. It’s Cabello’s fourth top 40 hit as a solo artist, which matches the four top 40 hits she earned with Fifth Harmony.

“Havana” spent five weeks at No. 1 on the Official U.K. Singles Chart late last year. Cabello was born in Eastern Havana, Cuba. “Havana” is the first song by an artist who was born in Cuba to become a transatlantic No. 1 since Perez Prado’s mambo instrumental smash “Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White” in 1955.

Top Songs

Ed Sheeran’s “Perfect” dips from No. 1 to No. 2 in its 21st week on the Hot 100. The song logged six weeks at No. 1. It sold 82K digital copies this week, which allows it to hold at No. 1 on Top Digital Songs for the eighth week.

Post Malone’s “Rockstar” (featuring 21 Savage) rebounds from No. 4 to No. 3 in its 18th week. The song spent eight weeks at No. 1. The song returns to No. 1 on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs. This is its 14th week on top. That’s the longest run at No. 1 for a single by a white lead artist since Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” featuring T.I. + Pharrell logged 16 weeks on top in 2013. Only one other song by a white lead artist has logged 14 or more weeks at No. 1 on this chart. That’s Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’s “Thrift Shop” (featuring Wanz), which spent 14 weeks at No. 1 earlier in 2013. Note that all three of these hits feature African-American artists.


Bruno Mars & Cardi B’s “Finesse” dips from No. 3 to No. 4 in its third week.

Halsey lands her second top five hit as “Bad at Love” jumps from No. 7 to No. 5 in its 20th week.

Imagine Dragons’ “Thunder” holds at No. 6 in its 38th week. It peaked at No. 4. “Thunder” logs its 12th week at No. 1 on Top Rock Songs.

G-Eazy’s “No Limit” (featuring A$AP Rocky & Cardi B) drops from No. 5 to No. 7 in its 19th week. It peaked at No. 4.

Dua Lipa’s “New Rules” jumps from No. 11 to No. 8 in its 25th week. That’s the longest slog to the top 10 since gnash’s “I Hate U I Love U” (featuring Olivia O’Brien) also took 25 weeks to crack the top 10 in October 2016. “New Rules” spent two weeks at No. 1 on the Official U.K. Singles Chart last August. So English fans will always think of this as a summer song, while American fans will remember it as a song that was a hit in the dead of winter.


Sam Smith’s “Too Good at Goodbyes” dips No. 8 to No. 9 in its 19th week. The song peaked at No. 4.

“Motorsport,” a collabo by Migos, Nicki Minaj, and Cardi B, holds at No. 10 in its 12th week. It peaked at No. 6. This is fourth straight week that Cardi B has had three songs in the top 10, doubling the record among women. Ashanti had three songs in the top 10 for two weeks in 2002.

Justin Timberlake’s “Filthy” drops out of the top 10 after debuting at No. 9 last week. I think it will be back.

Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line’s “Meant to Be” jumps from No. 18 to No. 17 in its 13th week. The song logs its eighth week at No. 1 on Hot Country Songs.


Eminem’s “River” (featuring Ed Sheeran) jumps to No. 1 on the Official U.K. Singles Chart, displacing Sheeran’s “Perfect.” This is the first time that an artist has helped boot himself out of the No. 1 spot in the U.K. since Justin Bieber did it last summer with his featured roles on Luis Fonsi and Daddy Yankee’s “Despacito” and DJ Khaled’s “I’m the One.” On the Hot 100, “River” has climbed as high as No. 11.

[smiley22]

Jan 22, 2018 12:28:51 GMT -5 Codex said:

1998 Britney
2008 Gaga
2018 Camila

<3 New main pop girl.

slow your role there with the "new main pop". I think Ariana has that title.

[Au$tin]

Jan 22, 2018 15:52:33 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

Jan 22, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

I'm just saying she deserved it sooner. The week before Beyonce's duet on Perfect came out, Perfect fell from #3 to #5 and of course Beyonce helped it resurge to #1. I just feel without Beyonce on Perfect, Camila would have got #1 sooner. Anyway a much deserved and earned #1 for Havana.

[jebsib]

The Chart Gods have spoken.

[areyoureadytojump]

Jan 22, 2018 16:52:16 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jan 22, 2018 13:34:32 GMT -5 Golden Bluebird said:

21. Ed Sheeran - "Shape of You" (22-21; 54th week on Hot 100)

WTF? It rose a spot? Ugh. I am over these old as* songs, but obviously many are not.

SOY is #5 at AC radio with a +24 spin bullet:

kworb.net/radio/

AC radio is so s l o w.

[Choco]

Only four spots separate SOY from recurrency. It'll be gone soon enough.

People need to be careful with the word deserve on these threads.

[jenglisbe]

Jan 22, 2018 18:16:56 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

Jan 22, 2018 16:52:16 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

WTF? It rose a spot? Ugh. I am over these old as* songs, but obviously many are not.

SOY is #5 at AC radio with a +24 spin bullet:

kworb.net/radio/

AC radio is so s l o w.

Sure, but ultimately that's less than 15 million impressions for Billboard. That isn't what is keeping the song high on the Hot 100.

[ry4n]

SOY still gets tons of YouTube views (it's passed 3 billion views now), so that probably explains its longevity.

[Keelzit]

Call me overdramatic but I feel like this week signals the beginning of a brand new era of female pop. I can't remember the last time so many new female artists occupied as many of the top 10 placements, including #1, all with new peaks. Camila, Halsey, Dua and Cardi B (not pop but still a fresh face) are literally smashing at the same time.

[Mikeramp/KMR McLean]

Jan 22, 2018 13:50:02 GMT -5 Harx said:

Gummo isn't dead yet?

Very very very very very very very very very very unfortunately, 

NO

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^^Agreed. We have quite a few new female artists have some success while some that have charted longer haven't done as well recently. I would argue that I expected Camila to have some success, although Havana's has exceeded my best expectations. I didn't really expect Halsey to get a top 5 with her own song after Closer nor Dua Lipa with a song in the top 10 after some of her prior songs didn't do so well. Regarding Cardi B, it was about time some other female rapper had some success other than Nicki Minaj. Of course, each new song that involves one of them will serve to see how long each artist can keep their success streak going.

[Deleted]

I'm so proud of my girls Camila, Cardi, Dua, & Halsey

Literally never expected Halsey to take off, Dua to have a big hit in the US, and Camila to go as far as #1.
Happy that all 3 of those happened

Also I needa album from Cardi like now, she is fiiiiiire.


Oh right and there is Bebe Rexha who is finally getting a hit....but who even likes Meant To Be

[renaboss]

I like "Meant to Be". Preferred "The Way I Are (Dance with Somebody)", but oh well. I'll be happy if "Meant to Be" cracks the top 10.

[renaboss]

Jan 22, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

Jan 22, 2018 14:17:43 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

What are you talking about? Ed got 6 weeks at #1.Havana was #1 pop for 7 weeks and had #2 on the Hot 100 for 7 weeks.It's a much deserved #1.

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

English is not my native tongue, but I'm fairly certain "deserved" and "earned" are synonyms. 

[thelegends]

Look at Drake getting 10+ weeks at #1 and remixing this song with Trippie Redd and Gucci Mane/Future and break the record

[rainie]

Yay this is a good week! I'm sad Love barely missed the top 10, but I'll take New Rules going top 10, IDGAF and Oh My My debuting, and of course one of the most unlucky #1s in recent memory managing to sneak in a week.

Glad it looks like female pop stars are rebounding, that's a very good thing for the sake of equity and it was looking like the public was beginning to reject then en masse after last year.

[fridayteenage]

we have 3 years in a row with exactly 3 T3s with main artist being female.
so more like last + last last + last last last year.

[Au$tin]

Jan 22, 2018 20:11:57 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Jan 22, 2018 15:27:36 GMT -5 garrettlen said:

It's not deserved.  It was earned.  Her song finally had more points than any other song on the chart so she is #1.  That's it.

#1's on the Hot 100 are not given out like merit badges.  This is a business.

Do I need to keep on explaining this?

English is not my native tongue, but I'm fairly certain "deserved" and "earned" are synonyms. 

Not in this case. It's subtle, but there is a difference. "Deserved" insinuates that something is entitled to be #1 because of some action, such as "Havana" being entitled to #1 just because Ed Sheeran blocked it for so long. That's not how charts work at all, so "deserving" doesn't work in this context. "Earned" means that the song met the requirements to be #1, therefore that's the reason it is there. This means "Havana" had more chart points than any other song, earning the #1 spot.

However, in a slightly different context, "Havana" does deserve to be #1 because it had the most points this week. Yay English! Context is key in the subtle changes of a word.

[rimetm]

Yeesh, you’re reading way too hard into it. The person thought Havana was better than Rockstar and Perfect, so they’re happy that Havana finally got a week over them, quality-wise it seemed right.

I could likewise say that Get Lucky deserved number one over Blurred Lines, or that Stressed Out deserved number one over Work; yes, I know statistically how it worked out, but in terms of my opinions of the songs, it translates to “I thought this one hit song was better than the other and wish things ended up differently”.

[85la]

Jan 22, 2018 17:31:01 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Jan 22, 2018 15:52:33 GMT -5 leonagwen said:

I'm just saying she deserved it sooner. The week before Beyonce's duet on Perfect came out, Perfect fell from #3 to #5 and of course Beyonce helped it resurge to #1. I just feel without Beyonce on Perfect, Camila would have got #1 sooner. Anyway a much deserved and earned #1 for Havana.

Furthermore, Perfect did not fall 3-5 that week. It rose 5-3.

Anyway, on to another interesting observation I have about Perfect. Someone said earlier, I think it might have been badrobot, that Beyonce's label or management might have been key in pushing for the credit the weeks she received it, separate from any rules Billboard has about majority points for duet versions, etc. That would make sense, because the last couple weeks since her credit was dropped, I have only been hearing Ed's solo version on the radio, while the weeks she was credited, I heard her version several times. Thus, her label might have been pushing it at radio those few weeks, and maybe now they are cutting off all promotion now that they are satisfied with its performance.

[Hugo!]

Jan 23, 2018 3:27:29 GMT -5 Codex said:

It didn’t “deserve” a #1 position on any other previous week, but it deserved a #1 peak. That’s what they meant. It’s had enough overall success and longevity that made it bigger than most #1 songs, but in the future people would only see that it had a #2 peak, which wouldn’t tell the full story.

Now it has a #1 peak and doesn’t have to be included in any “songs you can’t believe missed #1!” compilation. :)

Good point.

[Deleted]

Jan 23, 2018 0:32:15 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Yeesh, you’re reading way too hard into it. The person thought Havana was better than Rockstar and Perfect, so they’re happy that Havana finally got a week over them, quality-wise it seemed right.

I could likewise say that Get Lucky deserved number one over Blurred Lines, or that Stressed Out deserved number one over Work; yes, I know statistically how it worked out, but in terms of my opinions of the songs, it translates to “I thought this one hit song was better than the other and wish things ended up differently”.

Exactly this.  I'm not a fan of saying "deserved", but I also recognize that its usage is no different than thinking the Patriots deserve to win over the Eagles, or vice versa.  Or that Hillary deserved to win over Trump, or vice versa.  It's where our personal feelings intersect with objectivity.  Having a Billboard Hot 100 #1 is considered a huge achievement for any song/artist, so if we're a fan of said song/artist, then some of us our going to say "it deserves it" for obvious, and perfectly justified, reasons.  Is it kinda cringe?  For me, yes.  But I get it.  

Just like with the Super Bowl or an election, there's a ton of unique context that surrounds a chart achievement.  There's always going to be rule changes, bad calls, popularity ebbs and flows, cheating, etc, so I think part of the reason we're here is to discuss the context rather than just the achievements.  Yes, the results are the results, but our opinions and observations of the context is what makes it interesting.  

[Hugo!]

^I mean, she did deserve to win. With him. Everyone would deserve to win with him.