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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 23, 2022 8:23:22 GMT -5
jeng- I agree that those songs in particular don't really owe the Sex book that specifically. The book was a continuation of what Madonna had been doing up to that point in terms of consistently pushing the envelope in her work- it just happened to be "the last straw" for some in the general public. Especially when combined with Erotica and Body of Evidence , the latter which was the laest successful and notable of the trio.
In all honesty, it is *she*, rather than the book specifically, that has helped make it Ok for acts to come after her, to express themselves more freely without as much repercussion.
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Post by Waveyโจ๏ธ on Oct 23, 2022 9:29:34 GMT -5
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Post by chartfreak on Oct 23, 2022 13:33:39 GMT -5
Cardi and Madonna just spoke on the phone and all is good.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Oct 23, 2022 13:43:24 GMT -5
Much like Mariah popularized something that she didn't originate and getting the flowers for it, Madonna used her platform as a major female pop star to do things no woman in her position had done before so flagrantly when it comes to explicit sexuality in mainstream pop culture. I don't think she's saying she's the first to be a sexual woman in the business, or sing a sexually suggestive song, she's saying she WENT THERE and knocked down a wall that was still intact before her with a bulldozer and took a lot of flack for it, and gave zero fcks. There are interviews with men who tell her they were horrified by or uncomfortable with the Sex book, and she made them look like idiots for acting like she couldn't be in control of her own sexuality, as "nasty" as she chose to portray it in the work.
To act like she didn't at least make a major advancement for mainstream pop stars to freely express themselves sexually and explicitly is ignorant, and it sounds more like you just don't want to give Madonna her flowers. Which, in this culture of "Janet is the Queen of Pop" and the aging Mariah fans who harbor this weird resentment, is pretty normalized and standard, unfortunately. They can all be successful and have their own talents and chart achievements, but not everyone is a trailblazer who has taken a lot of risks, and that's ok.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 23, 2022 13:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by jenglisbe on Oct 23, 2022 13:59:10 GMT -5
Much like Mariah popularized something that she didn't originate and getting the flowers for it, Madonna used her platform as a major female pop star to do things no woman in her position had done before so flagrantly when it comes to explicit sexuality in mainstream pop culture. I don't think she's saying she's the first to be a sexual woman in the business, or sing a sexually suggestive song, she's saying she WENT THERE and knocked down a wall that was still intact before her with a bulldozer and took a lot of flack for it, and gave zero fcks. There are interviews with men who tell her they were horrified by or uncomfortable with the Sex book, and she made them look like idiots for acting like she couldn't be in control of her own sexuality, as "nasty" as she chose to portray it in the work. This is fine, but not what she posted. Nowhere in her post did she acknowledge that anyone else had played a part. This sounds more like you didn't even read what I wrote despite judging it. I literally wrote in my post, "I do think Madonna helped continue a path for women..." and "Madonna is certainly part of that lineage..." so please walk back what you wrote about me. Thank you.
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Post by Edith Puthie on Oct 23, 2022 14:52:51 GMT -5
I didn't mention anyone on this forum in what I wrote, nor did I reply to anyone. There are plenty of people talking on this today here and in other places, and I'm free to share my two cents here and/or elsewhere.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 23, 2022 15:36:37 GMT -5
Cardi and Madonna just spoke on the phone and all is good.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 23, 2022 15:38:16 GMT -5
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Post by spiritboy on Oct 24, 2022 14:05:36 GMT -5
Just like MJ, Madonna is on a different level than other artists. No other female artist can come close to her impact on Pop culture.
Cardi should've handled this privately in my opinion. She looked dumb as f.
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Post by ๐ฏ๐ฒ lucy88 ๐ฏ๐ฒ on Oct 24, 2022 17:08:14 GMT -5
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Most of those people in the video look like they are INTO most of the things they are protesting.
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Post by bat1990 on Oct 24, 2022 19:24:09 GMT -5
The chanting of "Shame" chills me to the bone. I'm glad I was only 2 at this time.
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Post by ๐ฏ๐ฒ lucy88 ๐ฏ๐ฒ on Oct 24, 2022 19:26:40 GMT -5
I laughed hard when that man in the video said "there are better things for you than having sex with a dog and seducing children." ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ๐คฃ
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 24, 2022 19:42:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately times really havenโt changed much in todays extremist right movement.
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Post by ๐ฏ๐ฒ lucy88 ๐ฏ๐ฒ on Oct 24, 2022 19:47:23 GMT -5
Here's another throwback from the Erotica era
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Post by HolidayGuy on Oct 25, 2022 14:07:12 GMT -5
Ahh, the days of MadonnaMania and MTV.
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Post by Carlitoz on Oct 25, 2022 15:52:07 GMT -5
I wonder if Madonna's next album will be a full hip hop/reggaeton party album.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 25, 2022 18:23:55 GMT -5
I wonder if Madonna's next album will be a full hip hop/reggaeton party album. I believe she mentioned โhouse musicโ in one of her posts.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 25, 2022 18:34:45 GMT -5
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Post by SPRฮฮ on Oct 25, 2022 18:41:56 GMT -5
I wonder if Madonna's next album will be a full hip hop/reggaeton party album. I believe she mentioned โhouse musicโ in one of her posts. yes, i hope it's like that snippet we heard not too long ago on one of her IG stories.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Oct 26, 2022 10:46:11 GMT -5
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Post by josh on Oct 26, 2022 23:43:57 GMT -5
The upside down Bedtime Stories cover just works better.
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Post by spiritboy on Oct 27, 2022 14:23:38 GMT -5
Bedtime Stories is a masterpiece. Too bad it's very underrated among GP.
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The latest EP release is "Deeper and Deeper". This too is missing several of the promo vinyl mixes.
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Post by Dammn Baby on Oct 29, 2022 8:03:04 GMT -5
I donโt understand why she is trying so desperately to engage with TikTok (taking poppers during a TikTok interview) and YouTube influencers (praising Trisha Paytas). Sheโs always seemed so above this kind of drivel.
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Post by ๐ฏ๐ฒ lucy88 ๐ฏ๐ฒ on Oct 30, 2022 0:32:11 GMT -5
My fave. I love how it showed her more vulnerable side.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Oct 31, 2022 15:03:20 GMT -5
Frozen (Sickick Remix) has 99,946,424 streams on Spotify today.
100 million tomorrow!
Beyonce's Break My Soul (The Queens Remix) has fallen out of the Top 10 on Madonna's "Popular" page.
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Post by jumpb4uthink on Nov 1, 2022 17:24:34 GMT -5
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