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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 2, 2018 21:00:33 GMT -5
For everyone fixated on commercial success determining nominees, it's worth noting Beck's Morning Phase won AOTY in 2015 without a hit and with less than gold sales. Sara Bareilles’ The Blessed Unrest was similarly nominated for AOTY in 2014 with less than gold sales (although she did have a hit with "Brave") and a Metacritic score of 68. In a year where overall sales are even weaker than those years, I really don't think sales are the most important factor in determining nominations. In a general sense you make a fair point, but you have to look at specifics, too. Beck is a veteran artist who had done well at the Grammys before (including two previous Album nods), and Morning Phase had his best reviews in 10 years. Sara Bareilles had also done well at the Grammys in terms of nominations, and “Brave” was a hit for her that year. In other words, those weren’t flop releases, and there was some momentum behind them, even if it was subtle momentum. So, yeah, a project could get in without sales, but it still needs to be seen as a success in some form. |
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Post by forg on Jun 2, 2018 21:33:06 GMT -5
I still think Rep is winning, no chance drake gets any general noms? God's Plan could get in ROTY/SOTY. Scorpion could be an AOTY nominee especially since it will likely be the #1 album for the eligibility period |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 3, 2018 7:34:09 GMT -5
I still think Rep is winning, no chance drake gets any general noms? God's Plan could get in ROTY/SOTY. Scorpion could be AOTY especially since it will likely be the #1 album for the eligibility period This is based on the assumption he submits his work, of course. |
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Post by forg on Jun 3, 2018 8:53:20 GMT -5
Did he indicate in the past that he won't submit or hates the Grammys?
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Post by kanfad on Jun 3, 2018 9:03:44 GMT -5
Did he indicate in the past that he won't submit or hates the Grammys? He did last year when he pointed out his fruatration in the fact that One Dance didnt get nominated and hotline bling won for best rap. That may have been why he didnt submit More Life buuuuut i think he knew that there was no way Kendrick wasnt going to sweep again so why bother when you're very certainly going to lose |
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Post by wayneashleymusic on Jun 5, 2018 16:46:43 GMT -5
After news that Portnow is stepping down and in the wake of the Me Too / #GrammysSoMale controversy, it's time for The Recording Academy to bring back the categories which honor female artist. They especially need to split categories like Producer, Engineer, etc. and give women more opportunities to be recognized. Portnow led the destruction of these categories but they need to come back.
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Post by 14887fan on Jun 6, 2018 0:51:07 GMT -5
After news that Portnow is stepping down and in the wake of the Me Too / #GrammysSoMale controversy, it's time for The Recording Academy to bring back the categories which honor female artist. They especially need to split categories like Producer, Engineer, etc. and give women more opportunities to be recognized. Portnow led the destruction of these categories but they need to come back. They had gendered categories up until 2012. Then they combined 'em. Separating them again will solve nothing, and will only read as, "The Recording Academy is so incapable of honoring female artists in general competitions that they have to give them their own categories just so they have a better shot at winning something." |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 6, 2018 7:28:59 GMT -5
After news that Portnow is stepping down and in the wake of the Me Too / #GrammysSoMale controversy, it's time for The Recording Academy to bring back the categories which honor female artist. They especially need to split categories like Producer, Engineer, etc. and give women more opportunities to be recognized. Portnow led the destruction of these categories but they need to come back. But the combination of genders hasn’t prevented women from being recognized. Lorde and Adele have won Pop Solo (and Ed won last year but 4 of the 5 nominees were female), Solange, Corinne Bailey Rae, Lalah Hathaway, and Beyonce have won R&B Performance, and Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, and Maren Morris have all won Country Solo. Obviously in other categories women rarely if ever win, but that’s an issue in all fields of entertainment. There needs to be more done to get more women producers, engineers, etc. The problem isn’t the lack of a Female Producer category at the Grammys. |
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Post by braveheart on Jun 7, 2018 17:45:17 GMT -5
Bring back the best female rap performance category for one year next year so CaRDI can take it ;)
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Post by filthy on Jun 10, 2018 10:33:40 GMT -5
JORJA SMITH for best new artist and R&B album
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Post by slowmo on Jun 10, 2018 14:47:23 GMT -5
I disliked it when they took the gender specific awards away but I don't want them added back. What I do want added is a Best Pop Song category that all the other genres have which makes no sense to me. Pop writers deserve to be recognized too.
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Post by collegedropout on Jun 10, 2018 21:27:39 GMT -5
I disliked it when they took the gender specific awards away but I don't want them added back. What I do want added is a Best Pop Song category that all the other genres have which makes no sense to me. Pop writers deserve to be recognized too. I agree. It was probably fair 25 or so years ago when pop songs had the advantage in SOTY. But now pretty much any genre can win anything. |
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Post by when the pawn... on Jun 12, 2018 16:35:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if AOTY/the top categories are loaded up with female artists this year, after their recent PR disasters. Kacey, Janelle, Cardi, Ariana, Dua Lipa, Camilla, Nicki, and yes, Taylor, can benefit from this. At this point...
AOTY: Cardi B; J Cole; Janelle Monae; Kacey Musgraves; Sam Smith
ROTY: All the Stars; Make Me Feel; Nice for What; The Middle; This is America
SOTY: All the Stars; Boo'd Up; Delicate; No Tears Left to Cry; This is America
BNA: Camilla Cabello; Cardi B; Dua Lipa; JUICE WRLD; insert country or rock artist
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Post by Choco on Jun 12, 2018 17:26:34 GMT -5
For everyone fixated on commercial success determining nominees, it's worth noting Beck's Morning Phase won AOTY in 2015 without a hit and with less than gold sales. Sara Bareilles’ The Blessed Unrest was similarly nominated for AOTY in 2014 with less than gold sales (although she did have a hit with "Brave") and a Metacritic score of 68. In a year where overall sales are even weaker than those years, I really don't think sales are the most important factor in determining nominations. In a general sense you make a fair point, but you have to look at specifics, too. Beck is a veteran artist who had done well at the Grammys before (including two previous Album nods), and Morning Phase had his best reviews in 10 years. Sara Bareilles had also done well at the Grammys in terms of nominations, and “Brave” was a hit for her that year. In other words, those weren’t flop releases, and there was some momentum behind them, even if it was subtle momentum. So, yeah, a project could get in without sales, but it still needs to be seen as a success in some form. Yup. I know sales aren't needed for the Grammys but the "narrative" is very important. For mainstream acts like P!nk or Kelly, low sales lead to a narrative of "flop album" or "disappointing era" and that's hard to shake when Grammys usually award the stuff with the most hype instead of what's actually the best album out there. In other words, it's not impossible for Meaning of Life to appear on the AOTY nods... but it's very far from the safe bet that some people seem to think it is. when she has never gotten a nod there before (Breakaway not getting one is still pretty sad, considering how that album dominated the pop world for well over a year) |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 12, 2018 21:15:11 GMT -5
I disliked it when they took the gender specific awards away but I don't want them added back. What I do want added is a Best Pop Song category that all the other genres have which makes no sense to me. Pop writers deserve to be recognized too. I agree. It was probably fair 25 or so years ago when pop songs had the advantage in SOTY. But now pretty much any genre can win anything. This, but it’s also hilarious to me that they were so honest about their bias; “Yeah we aren’t open to rewarding anything in SOTY except Pop, so we’ll just consider SOTY to be Pop Song.” |
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Post by filthy on Jun 13, 2018 6:30:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if AOTY/the top categories are loaded up with female artists this year, after their recent PR disasters. Kacey, Janelle, Cardi, Ariana, Dua Lipa, Camilla, Nicki, and yes, Taylor, can benefit from this. At this point... AOTY: Cardi B; J Cole; Janelle Monae; Kacey Musgraves; Sam Smith ROTY: All the Stars; Make Me Feel; Nice for What; The Middle; This is America SOTY: All the Stars; Boo'd Up; Delicate; No Tears Left to Cry; This is America BNA: Camilla Cabello; Cardi B; Dua Lipa; JUICE WRLD Jorja Smith; insert country or rock artist Also, I think Childish Gambino's album is going for a AOTY, especially when This Is America supposedly is in both ROTY and SOTY. |
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Post by ampersand on Jun 13, 2018 13:05:40 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if AOTY/the top categories are loaded up with female artists this year, after their recent PR disasters. Kacey, Janelle, Cardi, Ariana, Dua Lipa, Camilla, Nicki, and yes, Taylor, can benefit from this. At this point... AOTY: Cardi B; J Cole; Janelle Monae; Kacey Musgraves; Sam SmithROTY: All the Stars; Make Me Feel; Nice for What; The Middle; This is America SOTY: All the Stars; Boo'd Up; Delicate; No Tears Left to Cry; This is America BNA: Camilla Cabello; Cardi B; Dua Lipa; JUICE WRLD; insert country or rock artist I really don't think he's a top contender here. The era came and went and he lacks genre support; his fate was sealed when "Too Good at Goodbyes" failed to garner any pop nominations let alone anything in the general field at the last ceremony despite being a hit. |
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Post by when the pawn... on Jun 13, 2018 13:21:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if AOTY/the top categories are loaded up with female artists this year, after their recent PR disasters. Kacey, Janelle, Cardi, Ariana, Dua Lipa, Camilla, Nicki, and yes, Taylor, can benefit from this. At this point... AOTY: Cardi B; J Cole; Janelle Monae; Kacey Musgraves; Sam Smith ROTY: All the Stars; Make Me Feel; Nice for What; The Middle; This is America SOTY: All the Stars; Boo'd Up; Delicate; No Tears Left to Cry; This is America BNA: Camilla Cabello; Cardi B; Dua Lipa; JUICE WRLD Jorja Smith; insert country or rock artist Also, I think Childish Gambino's album is going for a AOTY, especially when This Is America supposedly is in both ROTY and SOTY. I agree - I was only including albums/records that have already been released but I think Gambino will be a huge threat again this year. |
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Post by when the pawn... on Jun 13, 2018 13:22:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if AOTY/the top categories are loaded up with female artists this year, after their recent PR disasters. Kacey, Janelle, Cardi, Ariana, Dua Lipa, Camilla, Nicki, and yes, Taylor, can benefit from this. At this point... AOTY: Cardi B; J Cole; Janelle Monae; Kacey Musgraves; Sam SmithROTY: All the Stars; Make Me Feel; Nice for What; The Middle; This is America SOTY: All the Stars; Boo'd Up; Delicate; No Tears Left to Cry; This is America BNA: Camilla Cabello; Cardi B; Dua Lipa; JUICE WRLD; insert country or rock artist I really don't think he's a top contender here. The era came and went and he lacks genre support; his fate was sealed when "Too Good at Goodbyes" failed to garner any pop nominations let alone anything in the general field at the last ceremony despite being a hit. I agree but was struggling to come up with a fifth viable AOTY contender. Sam has history at the Grammys and his album checks off a lot of their boxes. I don't think he'll be nominated over future releases from Childish Gambino, Drake (if he submits), and more. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 13, 2018 13:24:34 GMT -5
We've also seen stranger things happen. I don't see Sam Smith being nominated either, but I also wouldn't bet my life on it considering the AOTY noms for Sarah Bareilles and Lorde.
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Post by Choco on Jun 14, 2018 18:01:31 GMT -5
Lorde wasn't that unexpected. It had a lot of critical acclaim in spite of zero hits. I was more surprised at the Pop field snubbing her tbh.
Sam's album has been a non-event so far, but stranger things have happened, I guess.
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Post by wavey. on Jun 15, 2018 6:49:48 GMT -5
I'm anxious to see if Janelle made the cut cause her album is going to make the cut. Cause just like Lorde, she had one of the highest rated albums of the year (so far)
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Post by deepston on Jun 15, 2018 8:25:06 GMT -5
Why are people ruling Taylor out?
Sure LWYMMD had a cold reception but we can't compare the whole album to that particular single.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2018 8:26:20 GMT -5
Why are people ruling Taylor out? Sure LWYMMD had a cold reception but we can't compare the whole album to that particular single. Nothing else has really hit big either, though. |
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Post by deepston on Jun 15, 2018 8:28:25 GMT -5
Why are people ruling Taylor out? Sure LWYMMD had a cold reception but we can't compare the whole album to that particular single. Nothing else has really hit big either, though. Sure but it has some critical acclaim (71% on Metacritic) and Delicate is becoming a cute hit with a lot of critical acclaim. Also, Taylor is a Grammy darling. |
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Post by Troublemaker on Jun 15, 2018 8:29:50 GMT -5
Why are people ruling Taylor out? Sure LWYMMD had a cold reception but we can't compare the whole album to that particular single. Taylor has a better chance in pop than the general category. Even her chances in pop are slim |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2018 8:37:42 GMT -5
Nothing else has really hit big either, though. Sure but it has some critical acclaim (71% on Metacritic) and Delicate is becoming a cute hit with a lot of critical acclaim. Also, Taylor is a Grammy darling. followed Grammy winning Fearless and didn’t make AOTY in part because it was seen as a disappointment commercially. I doubt anyone would be shocked if Taylor got in AOTY, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if people don’t see it as a lock since the album was a sharp step down commercially and critically. I’m not sure what’s hard to understand. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 15, 2018 8:54:38 GMT -5
Lorde was put in by the committee.
If TGFGB didn't get any nominations, I can't see Sam Smith getting general nods ages after all the momentum from his project is gone. He has a good chance of a nomination in Pop Vocal Album though.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jun 15, 2018 10:15:16 GMT -5
Lorde was put in by the committee. And coming off the criticisms from last year, the changes they're making, and the general mood with #MeToo and the like, I can certainly see the committee making a point to put acts like Janelle Monae in the general field categories. And those artists would be deserving. The committee just better not put 4 females in a category with 1 male because you know what will happen in that situation. |
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Post by Glove Slap on Jun 15, 2018 10:18:20 GMT -5
Lorde was put in by the committee. And coming off the criticisms from last year, the changes they're making, and the general mood with #MeToo and the like, I can certainly see the committee making a point to put acts like Janelle Monae in the general field categories. And those artists would be deserving. The committee just better not put 4 females in a category with 1 male because you know what will happen in that situation. Whether they'd be deserving is personal opinion. There's a big counterargument that if hundreds or thousands of people didn't pick you, but a smaller amount of around 20 did after, then you're not deserving. But, the bigger issue is much more practical than that. It's that they'd be sending them back out to the voters again after they didn't select them. So their chances of actually winning are automatically lower. This is all just trying to shoehorn in a narrative, it's not an actual reflection of the Recording Academy. |
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