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Post by Choco on Feb 6, 2018 21:02:33 GMT -5
^Probably the biggest mistake during the Super Bowl performance was just performing Filthy from the album. It was a lost opportunity to boost the Man of the Woods pure sales. They correctly assumed that the underperforming new album didn't deserve the spotlight and went with one song but it should have been the safe if unremarkable Stapleton collab, not the steaming pile of crap that is Filthy. In other words, it's like if Gaga had done Perfect Illusion over Million Reasons last year. Ngl, I like seeing those numbers go down. The album sucks, the SB was boring and he needs to step up his game. An outright bomb is much better as a wake-up-call than a middling but decent number.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 6, 2018 22:17:58 GMT -5
^Regarding the last point, there seem to have been quite a few artists that released albums over the last year that rested too much on their laurels and underperformed as a consequently. Probably the biggest one was Miley Cyrus.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on Feb 6, 2018 22:24:47 GMT -5
They assumed Filthy wouldnβt flop. Set list was finalized. Thereβs no way they couldβve changed this shit up last minute.
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Post by 85la on Feb 6, 2018 23:36:56 GMT -5
First of all, Justin is a he, not a she, and "deserves" so how? Please elaborate... The one thing I would agree with is the lengthy time gap between album releases probably hurt him (it was a miracle he was able to remain big after the 7 year gap from FSLS TO 20/20). It would seem a logical progression that after CSTF, which became at least the 2nd biggest hit of his career, he would soon follow up with an album. A year and a half after that is too long, they really blew it I guess. I also agree very much that he didn't perform enough songs from the album at the Super Bowl. It does seem like a golden promotional opportunity blatantly wasted, especially that being THE SINGLE HIGHEST RATED TV EVENT of the year every year, why not perform songs from your current project, as surely that would let more people know that said project exists and it would lead more people to look it up and buy it (this seems to be a common occurrence actually with other Super Bowl performers, such as Lady Gaga only performing MR, and Bruno Mars, when he performed in 2014, leaving out his current single then, Young Girls... no wonder, despite a brief boost, Joanne wasn't helped much and Young Girls only peaked in the 30s). I will say however, Justin's number is without a ticket bundle, so you have to take that into account, and because of it, the number is actually a lot better than it seems. Assuming it sells around 200-250, that is actually higher than Pink's number minus the ticket bundle (yeah i know some ticket bundle sales would be regular sales anyway, but it gives somewhat of a comparison).
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Post by mamaloveme on Feb 7, 2018 0:13:57 GMT -5
210k now WOW this is horrible
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Post by forg on Feb 7, 2018 0:31:50 GMT -5
Disappointing opening.
And look at NOW 65 still selling over 20K and I assume that's mostly CD sales
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Feb 7, 2018 0:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by chartfreak on Feb 7, 2018 0:55:52 GMT -5
Not surprised considering he's not moving any units at the Target I work at.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Feb 7, 2018 2:03:42 GMT -5
Do we have some data on the post-Superbowl sales for the artists who performed from the last few years from say 2011 onward to compare? I went through the old HITS threads from the week right after the Superbowl when any boost would have shown up in the charts. 2011: The Black Eyed Peas18 BLACK EYED PEAS: BEGINNING - INTERSCOPE 31,664 +61% 40 BLACK EYED PEAS: THE E.N.D. - INTERSCOPE 18,463 +65% 2012: Madonna and LMFAO10 LMFAO SORRY FOR PARTY ROCKING INTERSCOPE 30,794 +36% 35 MADONNA CELEBRATION WARNER BROS. 12,193 +3% Madonna put her new MDNA album up for pre-order after the performance and there was also a concert ticket bundle. Per HDD, it opened with 357,943 in sales. It was reported that around 50K of it was from pre-orders. 2013: Beyonce
Beyonce's albums didn't see enough of a boost to make the top 50 the week after the performance. But her self-titled visual album released at the end of 2013 did very well so one could make a case that it got some boost from her performance at the SB. But also anticipation was high for a new record since it had been so long and it was a big deal to just release it like that with no prior announcement. 2014: Bruno Mars and RHCP8 BRUNO MARS UNORTHODOX JUKEBOX ATLANTIC 75,097 +84% 28 BRUNO MARS DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS ELEKTRA 16,005* 45 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS GREATEST HITS WARNER BROS. 2,942* 2015: Katy Perry, Lenny Kravitz, Missy Elliott23 KATY PERRY PRISM 12,197* 25 KATY PERRY TEENAGE DREAM CAPITOL 10,671* 2016: Coldplay, Beyonce, Bruno Mars
3 COLDPLAY A HEAD FULL OF DREAMS PARLOPHONE 89,819 389% 42 BEYONCE 4 COLUMBIA 5,198* 2017: Lady Gaga3 LADY GAGA JOANNE INTERSCOPE 40,610 939% 7 LADY GAGA THE FAME INTERSCOPE 18,215* 26 LADY GAGA BORN THIS WAY INTERSCOPE 6,631* * - indicates that the album was not in the top 50 if HDD chart during the prior week.
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Post by Janhova's Witness on Feb 7, 2018 2:43:50 GMT -5
Wow, so it was the least effective Super Bowl performance since Madonna. And that's the tea.
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Post by shayonce on Feb 7, 2018 2:54:18 GMT -5
superbowl sales effect is really overrated. It's more about having title to your name and tour boost.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 3:17:15 GMT -5
Karma baby never fails ! Man of the woods after this album. Hit the road jack! The power of black twitter
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 3:36:55 GMT -5
welp, that'll be the last time I defend a HITS projection! lmao
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 4:57:07 GMT -5
Instead of motivating me to buy his album his SB thingy made me revisit Prince's SB and WoW what a visual and musical theater production. I love me a skinny fragile man in womans clothing who can blow. Prince is a god. We aint worthy
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Feb 7, 2018 5:40:05 GMT -5
Wow, so it was the least effective Super Bowl performance since Madonna. And that's the tea. It probably would have been even less effective had she gotten the chance to do her "Express Yourself"/"Born This Way" mashup with a snippet of "She's Not Me" that she went on to do during the MDNA Tour later that year as she had originally wanted to do.
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Post by felipe on Feb 7, 2018 5:54:05 GMT -5
I also agree very much that he didn't perform enough songs from the album at the Super Bowl. It does seem like a golden promotional opportunity blatantly wasted, especially that being THE SINGLE HIGHEST RATED TV EVENT of the year every year, why not perform songs from your current project, as surely that would let more people know that said project exists and it would lead more people to look it up and buy it (this seems to be a common occurrence actually with other Super Bowl performers, such as Lady Gaga only performing MR, and Bruno Mars, when he performed in 2014, leaving out his current single then, Young Girls... no wonder, despite a brief boost, Joanne wasn't helped much and Young Girls only peaked in the 30s). These people are getting hired to perform songs people actually know, and not a bunch of tracks from their latest album. One is ok, I think more than that might get people looking for a snack or something. And some were expecting him to do 700k, maybe more. Are we really saying that he'd be selling 400k more units had he performed Say Something at the SuperBowl?
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Post by felipe on Feb 7, 2018 5:56:16 GMT -5
Wow, so it was the least effective Super Bowl performance since Madonna. And that's the tea. It probably would have been even less effective had she gotten the chance to do her "Express Yourself"/"Born This Way" mashup with a snippet of "She's Not Me" that she went on to do during the MDNA Tour later that year as she had originally wanted to do. Why didn't she get to do it? I didn't know that story.
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Post by Chelsea Press 2 on Feb 7, 2018 6:06:58 GMT -5
It probably would have been even less effective had she gotten the chance to do her "Express Yourself"/"Born This Way" mashup with a snippet of "She's Not Me" that she went on to do during the MDNA Tour later that year as she had originally wanted to do. Why didn't she get to do it? I didn't know that story. There were rumors that she wanted to do it then. The potential controversy would have been problematic. They had to meticulously approve the songs performed and there were morals clauses in the contracts. Strangely enough, it was M.I.A, who caused the commotion by showing the middle finger.
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Post by Ling-Ling on Feb 7, 2018 7:57:46 GMT -5
Well damn, I figured with the Superbowl he'd do at least 500,000. I guess his name just doesn't carry that much weight anymore. Not having a lead single stick certainly didn't help matters.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on Feb 7, 2018 8:02:07 GMT -5
First of all, Justin is a he, not a she, and "deserves" so how? Please elaborate... The one thing I would agree with is the lengthy time gap between album releases probably hurt him (it was a miracle he was able to remain big after the 7 year gap from FSLS TO 20/20). It would seem a logical progression that after CSTF, which became at least the 2nd biggest hit of his career, he would soon follow up with an album. A year and a half after that is too long, they really blew it I guess. I also agree very much that he didn't perform enough songs from the album at the Super Bowl. It does seem like a golden promotional opportunity blatantly wasted, especially that being THE SINGLE HIGHEST RATED TV EVENT of the year every year, why not perform songs from your current project, as surely that would let more people know that said project exists and it would lead more people to look it up and buy it (this seems to be a common occurrence actually with other Super Bowl performers, such as Lady Gaga only performing MR, and Bruno Mars, when he performed in 2014, leaving out his current single then, Young Girls... no wonder, despite a brief boost, Joanne wasn't helped much and Young Girls only peaked in the 30s). I will say however, Justin's number is without a ticket bundle, so you have to take that into account, and because of it, the number is actually a lot better than it seems. Assuming it sells around 200-250, that is actually higher than Pink's number minus the ticket bundle (yeah i know some ticket bundle sales would be regular sales anyway, but it gives somewhat of a comparison). There's a reason the Super Bowl goes for massive present day names and legacy acts. They're looking for a show with songs everyone knows (and in theory loves), not a bunch of album tracks for the purpose of self-promo. Unlike nighttime tv appearances like SNL, Fallon, or the Grammys, the Super Bowl isn't so much a stage for the artist to promote their most recent work and more of a stage where they actually have to step up and entertain the biggest audience of the year.
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Post by Jay D83 on Feb 7, 2018 8:08:11 GMT -5
She's been canceled. Good.
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Post by Choco on Feb 7, 2018 8:37:31 GMT -5
I love how the Kim "It's what she deserves" gif causes such a big reaction from some users. It's a gif people... and Kim Kardashian. It's not meant to be taken that seriously.
I thought best case scenario was always 400k but my gut always said it would end up closer to Eminem's latest album. The hype for both releases has been comparable and they're two acts that have been around since the late 90s.
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Post by NeRD on Feb 7, 2018 9:56:35 GMT -5
Trending down AFTER the Super Bowl? Wow.
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Post by 85la on Feb 7, 2018 13:19:18 GMT -5
It probably would have been even less effective had she gotten the chance to do her "Express Yourself"/"Born This Way" mashup with a snippet of "She's Not Me" that she went on to do during the MDNA Tour later that year as she had originally wanted to do. Why didn't she get to do it? I didn't know that story. That's interesting, I never knew about the Express Yourself/Born This Way mashup, but performing something like that at the Super Bowl with a massive TV audience would very probably have to have had approval from Gaga's camp, and if it was meant as shade, they most certainly wouldn't have approved it.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Feb 7, 2018 13:20:59 GMT -5
^On a sign that the CD is on the downside, Best Buy will stop selling them later this year.
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Post by Duca on Feb 7, 2018 13:23:39 GMT -5
Numbers are up: YOUR TOP 20: WHOSE WOODS THESE ARE (UPDATE)1. Justin Timberlake (RCA) 275-290k total, 240-250k sales2. Migos (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol) 90-95k, 4-5k3. The Greatest Showman (Atlantic) 75-80k, 48-52k4. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 40-44k, 12-14k5. Bruno Mars (Atlantic) 31-34k, 9-11k6. Post Malone (Republic) 30-33k, 4-5k7. Camila Cabello (SYCO/Epic) 30-33k, 4-5k8. Kendrick Lamar (TDE/Aftermath/Interscope) 26-29k, 4-5k9. Now 65 (NOW) 24-27k, 24-27k10. G-Eazy (RCA) 22-25k, 1-2k11. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 22-25k, 1-2k12. Khalid (Right Hand Music/RCA) 21-24k, 2-3k13. Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 19-22k, 5-6k14. Imagine Dragons (Kidinakorner/Interscope) 19-22k, 5-6k15. *Rich Brian (88rising/Empire) 19-22k, 2-3k16. Lil Skies (Atlantic) 17-20k, <1k17. Kodak Black (Atlantic) 16-18k, <1k18. Eminem (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 16-18k, 4-5k19. NF (NF Real/Caroline) 15-17k, 3-4k20. Sam Smith (Capitol) 15-17k, 3-4k*DEBUTS This is a bit better. Fingers crossed for 300k.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Feb 7, 2018 14:40:24 GMT -5
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Post by TakeMe on Feb 7, 2018 16:09:51 GMT -5
LMFAO that gif, but youβre right it is what she Justin deserves, the songs released from the album are boring, the SB show was boring, wouldnβt mind seeing Migos despite my dislike for them spending a second week on top of the Billboard 200.
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Post by tinawina on Feb 7, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
Yikes. I wonder how JT must feel. I canβt imagine he saw this coming. Just a few weeks ago everyone was excited to see him come back, and just like that heβs got a negative stink attached.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Feb 7, 2018 22:48:04 GMT -5
I wonder how Adeles discography/new music would fare if she were to perform the Super Bowl.
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