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Post by renfield75 on Mar 2, 2018 10:50:36 GMT -5
yep that too, Lots of other duos that had long careers too Others that were groups became duos like Steely Dan and Air Supply Basically no curse on being a duo. After rethinking it some more, let me put it another way: I guess there's no curse on being a duo per se, but they do seem to crash and burn disproportionately relatively early in their careers, right after a huge album era (usually their first or second). I can't think of nearly as many group and solo artists who have had a similar career pattern. Alanis Morisette? Iggy Azalea?...Those are the only ones who come to mind right away. Just looking over past Best New Artist winners/nominees we see a ton of solo artists and groups who had a huge era then quickly faded for various reasons: Lauryn Hill, Norah Jones, Wilson Phillips, MGMT, Amy Winehouse (she had 4 years between Back To Black and her death), Meghan Trainor (unless this new single really takes off), Paula Cole, Macy Gray, Hootie & The Blowfish, Hanson, Jewel, Arrested Development, Ace of Base, Jon Secada, Color Me Badd, C+C Music Factory, Lisa Stansfield, Terence Trent D'Arby, Julian Lennon...and again that's just Best New Artist nominees! |
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Post by thelegends on Mar 2, 2018 10:52:55 GMT -5
Speaking of Meghan Trainor, what are your predictions for No Excuses and Top Off?
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Post by scrohr424 on Mar 2, 2018 11:51:31 GMT -5
^ Neither of them will be debuting this week more than likely. Then again, there are songs that drop on Thursday and then debut, so No Excuses COULD do the same.
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Post by GP on Mar 2, 2018 11:59:12 GMT -5
Will NR be able to sneak a day at #3
Finesse is oficially #1 on Radio
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 2, 2018 12:30:41 GMT -5
www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8224950/post-malone-psycho-ty-dolla-sign-headed-for-hot-100-top-fivePost Malone's 'Psycho,' Featuring Ty Dolla $ign, Headed for Top Five Debut on Billboard Hot 100 Next WeekThe song could start at No. 2 below Drake's "God's Plan."Post Malone's "Psycho," featuring Ty Dolla $ign, is aiming to roar onto next week's Billboard Hot 100 chart (dated March 10) in the top five. The song, released on Republic Records, could likely start as high as No. 2, perhaps matching his best bow; "Rockstar," featuring 21 Savage, debuted at No. 2 last October, before spending eight weeks at No. 1. Incumbent No. 1 Drake's "God's Plan" appears set to maintain its spot on top for a sixth total week at No. 1. Let's run some projections. Highlights of next week's Hot 100, which blends streaming, airplay and sales data, according to Nielsen Music, will post on Billboard.com Monday (March 5), with all charts posting the following day (March 6). Based on preliminary data projecting the tracking period feeding next week's Hot 100, "Psycho" could draw over 45 million U.S. streams in the week ending March 1, likely sparking a No. 2 debut on the Streaming Songs chart. It should arrive atop the Digital Song Sales chart, selling over 70,000 downloads. The song is also likely to draw over 10 million in radio audience in the tracking week ending March 4. "God's Plan" appears safe to stay at No. 1 on the Hot 100 with over 75 million U.S. streams, 50,000 downloads sold and 80 million in airplay reach. Post Malone should score his third Hot 100 top 10, following "Congratulations" (featuring Quavo), which hit No. 8 last July, and "Rockstar" (which ranked at No. 6 on the March 3-dated Hot 100, after logging its first 22 weeks on the chart in the top five). Ty Dolla $ign should notch his second top five Hot 100 hit and perhaps his highest-charting. He reached No. 4 in June 2016 as featured on Fifth Harmony's "Work From Home." Again, visit Billboard.com Monday (March 5) for a rundown of the chart's top 10.
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Post by boysilver400 on Mar 2, 2018 12:39:07 GMT -5
Glad to see Finesse dethrone Perfect on radio. I don’t dislike Perfect, it’s just so... eh.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Mar 2, 2018 12:45:36 GMT -5
renfield75 While I agree that BNA is a poor barometer of future success, Jewel and Norah Jones do not belong on that list. While both had a mammoth era, it's not like they didn't produce several successful albums that followed. Jewel with 5 more Top 10 albums and a sixth that peaked at 11. Norah Jones next five studio albums hit the Top 3, two #1s & two #2s - 3 of which went platinum.
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Post by imbondz on Mar 2, 2018 14:01:27 GMT -5
renfield75 While I agree that BNA is a poor barometer of future success, Jewel and Norah Jones do not belong on that list. While both had a mammoth era, it's not like they didn't produce several successful albums that followed. Jewel with 5 more Top 10 albums and a sixth that peaked at 11. Norah Jones next five studio albums hit the Top 3, two #1s & two #2s - 3 of which went platinum. Agreed. Anyone would be psyched with their career. When you have albums as big as they did, a normal selling album after that pales in comparison. No one can sustain diamond selling album success very long. |
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Post by renfield75 on Mar 2, 2018 16:50:07 GMT -5
renfield75 While I agree that BNA is a poor barometer of future success, Jewel and Norah Jones do not belong on that list. While both had a mammoth era, it's not like they didn't produce several successful albums that followed. Jewel with 5 more Top 10 albums and a sixth that peaked at 11. Norah Jones next five studio albums hit the Top 3, two #1s & two #2s - 3 of which went platinum. Agreed. Anyone would be psyched with their career. When you have albums as big as they did, a normal selling album after that pales in comparison. No one can sustain diamond selling album success very long. Fair enough. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 2, 2018 16:57:32 GMT -5
renfield75 While I agree that BNA is a poor barometer of future success, Jewel and Norah Jones do not belong on that list. While both had a mammoth era, it's not like they didn't produce several successful albums that followed. Jewel with 5 more Top 10 albums and a sixth that peaked at 11. Norah Jones next five studio albums hit the Top 3, two #1s & two #2s - 3 of which went platinum. Agreed. Anyone would be psyched with their career. When you have albums as big as they did, a normal selling album after that pales in comparison. No one can sustain diamond selling album success very long. Jewel at least had some impact with some songs, too, but I feel like Norah just sold off her name for awhile. What sort of actual impact did she have after her debut? |
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Post by annoymous1 on Mar 2, 2018 17:04:13 GMT -5
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Finesse is Number 1 on Radio .
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Post by kcdawg13 on Mar 2, 2018 17:17:05 GMT -5
I feel like God's Plan is gonna surpass Shape Of You by summer and become the most streamed song on Spotify.
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Mar 2, 2018 19:14:48 GMT -5
I feel like God's Plan is gonna surpass Shape Of You by summer and become the most streamed song on Spotify. I'd be disgusted if it got streamed over 1 billion by the end of summer |
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 3, 2018 10:04:55 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 03/03/20181. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (180.329) (+1.074) 2. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (177.103) (-0.712) 3. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (142.148) (-1.255) 4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (133.321) (-1.321) 5. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (118.606) (+0.450) 6. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (115.771) (+2.192) 7. (+1) NF - Let You Down (110.679) (+1.502) 8. (-1) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (109.401) (-3.232) 9. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (109.209) (+0.342) 10. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (109.091) (+2.662) 11. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (95.442) (-2.258) 12. (=) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (91.925) (+0.525) 13. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (84.380) (-1.932) 14. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (83.272) (+1.832) 15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (79.587) (-0.999) 16. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (78.101) (-2.170) 17. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (74.996) (+1.827) 18. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (71.520) (+0.310) 19. (+1) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (68.221) (+0.905) 20. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (68.084) (-0.616) Outside the Top 20: 29. (+2) LUKE BRYAN - Most People Are Good (52.783) (+1.251) 33. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (51.021) (+1.725) 34. (=) BRETT ELDREDGE - The Long Way (50.305) (+1.070) 43. (+4) KENDRICK LAMAR & SZA - All The Stars (43.192) (+1.520) 75. (+5) BLAKE SHELTON - I Lived It (26.763) (+1.155)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 10:19:39 GMT -5
Him & I isn't doing so hot outside of radio, it's on the edge of the top 40 on both Spotify and iTunes. If it ends up going top 10, it'll be similar to how New Rules was eventually pulled up by its airplay after it had peaked in other metrics. Between this, Now or Never and Bad At Love, I think that Halsey gets most of her success from radio. Him & I will probably be more successful than Now Or Never but not as successful as Bad At Love. |
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Post by rainie on Mar 3, 2018 12:05:37 GMT -5
After rethinking it some more, let me put it another way: I guess there's no curse on being a duo per se, but they do seem to crash and burn disproportionately relatively early in their careers, right after a huge album era (usually their first or second). I can't think of nearly as many group and solo artists who have had a similar career pattern. Alanis Morisette? Iggy Azalea?...Those are the only ones who come to mind right away. Just looking over past Best New Artist winners/nominees we see a ton of solo artists and groups who had a huge era then quickly faded for various reasons: Lauryn Hill, Norah Jones, Wilson Phillips, MGMT, Amy Winehouse (she had 4 years between Back To Black and her death), Meghan Trainor (unless this new single really takes off), Paula Cole, Macy Gray, Hootie & The Blowfish, Hanson, Jewel, Arrested Development, Ace of Base, Jon Secada, Color Me Badd, C+C Music Factory, Lisa Stansfield, Terence Trent D'Arby, Julian Lennon...and again that's just Best New Artist nominees! There's a reason why people talk about the best new artist curse... |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 3, 2018 12:16:29 GMT -5
Just looking over past Best New Artist winners/nominees we see a ton of solo artists and groups who had a huge era then quickly faded for various reasons: Lauryn Hill, Norah Jones, Wilson Phillips, MGMT, Amy Winehouse (she had 4 years between Back To Black and her death), Meghan Trainor (unless this new single really takes off), Paula Cole, Macy Gray, Hootie & The Blowfish, Hanson, Jewel, Arrested Development, Ace of Base, Jon Secada, Color Me Badd, C+C Music Factory, Lisa Stansfield, Terence Trent D'Arby, Julian Lennon...and again that's just Best New Artist nominees! There's a reason why people talk about the best new artist curse... The Beatles, Mariah Carey, Adele, Maroon 5, Bette Midler, Sade, Alicia Keys, Toni Braxton, Carrie Underwood...I know people talk about a 'curse' but when some of the biggest artists of their decades (and even all-time) have won, it's hard to take the curse seriously. Still Renfield's point was simply to say there are plenty of non-duos who have flamed out after an album or two as well. Are you saying that only happens to those cursed by a Best New Artist win or nom? |
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Post by renaboss on Mar 3, 2018 19:08:08 GMT -5
Just heard "Psycho" for the second time, and it's definitely better than "God's Plan".
They're both pretty boring though.
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Post by renaboss on Mar 3, 2018 19:48:28 GMT -5
Also, listening to "Mine" for the very first time and loving it already.
Abrupt ending though.
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Post by mako on Mar 3, 2018 20:02:51 GMT -5
Billboard: Psycho could start at #2
Actual: Psycho starts at #2
Billboard: Camila could challenge Ed for #1
Actual: Camila gets #1
Whenever Billboard inserts a "could", you know that it will
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Post by Gary on Mar 3, 2018 20:08:59 GMT -5
"could" means that I what it will get if nothing unexpected happens with what is left of the tracking week after they publish that
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 3, 2018 20:30:28 GMT -5
"could" means that I what it will get if nothing unexpected happens with what is left of the tracking week after they publish that Yeah, they have to leave room for a random event or something happening that could affect things. And some races might be close enough that a sudden change in airplay trends makes the difference in the end. |
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Post by velaxti on Mar 3, 2018 21:06:33 GMT -5
The risk for Billboard in putting out a "could" article for something that is unlikely to happen (but possible), is that they can get backlash in certain cases when it doesn't happen.
For example, if in Camila Cabello's case they did an article saying she could be #1, it would probably be reported on in some pop music websites, her fans would get all excited and spread it round Twitter, etc. Then if she ended up at #2, Billboard would have a lot of people angry at them. Even though it's completely irrational to be angry in this situation, it's just the way a lot of people are.
They hear something they like "could" happen, and their brains seem to substitute "could" with "will" for some reason. Then they get excited and hyped up. Then they get angry when it doesn't happen. Then they blame the person who told them it "could" happen, as if they don't know what the definition of "could" is...
It happens in all walks of life. If the weather forecast says "It could snow tomorrow", a load of people get really excited thinking it WILL snow, then if it doesn't snow they get angry at the company who did the weather forecast. It's ridiculous, but Billboard have to look out for themselves I suppose.
This happens when you talk about averages. If you say "Men are on average more assertive than women" a lot of people's brains seem to read it as "All men are more assertive than all women". It's really annoying in these cases as you get branded a sexist when what you're saying something that's actually correct and also non-discriminatory.
Same with when you say the word "most". If you say "Most gay men don't like football", a lot of people hear that as "No gay men like football", and they reply with "I know a gay man who likes football" as if that disproves what you said.
I don't know what it is about so many people's brains that does this... It's incredibly annoying, so I understand why Billboard does this. Saying "could" only in cases where something is very likely to happen means they don't have to deal with the backlash very often.
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Post by mako on Mar 3, 2018 21:16:22 GMT -5
New XXXTENTACION singles, Sad! (#6 in Spotify), Changes (#23 in Spotify).
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Post by hydraflare on Mar 3, 2018 22:31:34 GMT -5
New XXXTENTACION singles, Sad! (#6 in Spotify), Changes (#23 in Spotify). Oh god, why? |
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Post by thelegends on Mar 3, 2018 23:02:03 GMT -5
New XXXTENTACION singles, Sad! (#6 in Spotify), Changes (#23 in Spotify). Oh god, why? Sad! is very catchy. Changes is just ugh. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 5:25:17 GMT -5
Just realised changes features PnB Rock, but he doesn’t get any credit? 🤔
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Mar 4, 2018 9:14:18 GMT -5
kworb.net/airadio/*** = Dropped or added a format Overall AI (Top 20) - 03/04/20181. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (181.865) (+1.536) 2. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (175.937) (-1.166) 3. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (139.478) (-2.670) 4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (132.194) (-1.127) 5. (=) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (119.239) (+0.633) 6. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (118.296) (+2.525) 7. (+3) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (111.861) (+2.770) 8. (-1) NF - Let You Down (111.198) (+0.519) 9. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (109.272) (+0.063) 10. (-2) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (105.915) (-3.486) 11. (=) HALSEY - Bad At Love (93.182) (-2.260) 12. (=) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (92.307) (+0.382) 13. (+1) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (85.199) (+1.927) 14. (-1) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (82.466) (-1.914) 15. (=) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (78.456) (-1.131) 16. (+1) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (76.953) (+1.957) 17. (-1) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (76.613) (-1.488) 18. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (71.894) (+0.374) 19. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (68.489) (+0.268) 20. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (67.318) (-0.766) Outside the Top 20: 24. (=) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (59.752) (+1.140) *** 26. (+3) LUKE BRYAN - Most People Are Good (53.852) (+1.069) 29. (+4) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (52.918) (+1.897) 42. (+1) KENDRICK LAMAR & SZA - All The Stars (45.030) (+1.838) 51. (=) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (37.860) (+1.052) 65. (-3) WALKER HAYES - You Broke Up With Me (31.783) (-1.162) 70. (+5) BLAKE SHELTON - I Lived It (28.149) (+1.386)
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Post by mako on Mar 4, 2018 9:15:15 GMT -5
New XXXTENTACION singles, Sad! (#6 in Spotify), Changes (#23 in Spotify). Oh god, why? Listen to it, you'll get why it's at #6 |
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Post by mako on Mar 4, 2018 9:19:24 GMT -5
Also new music video for Ric Flair Drip
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