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Post by Gary on Mar 6, 2018 11:38:25 GMT -5
In my opinion, Those who choose to listen to the same song all day have lots of time on their hands.
Anyway, if a song is listened to 75 million times in a week, there is still quite a few people listening to it, even if it is not 75 million
One person, putting a song on continuous repeat for a week won't dent the chart at all. But maybe lots of people are? Probably a small portion but not everyone.
This says maybe "God's Plan" really is that popular.
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Post by Choco on Mar 6, 2018 11:40:12 GMT -5
Yup, neither Wild Thoughts nor Feels actually topped the component charts on either week.
Some stuff like New Rules had pretty nasty drops, like going from top 5 to outside top 10 once they got their streaming points reduced but still managed great longevity on the chart (in part because there are no recurrent rules).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 11:58:49 GMT -5
And I would add that my point about trends and listeners is that they/we now have the option to listen to a song repeatedly all day and have every listen count for something that impacts the charts. That's never been the case before, and I find it interesting to observe how it plays out. Right, that repeat listening can now impact the charts. But like I said in my other post, in a sense it was already happening with radio. I always sort of blamed radio programmers for the static playlists, but now I see it actually was reflecting listener habits more than I ever knew. So, even if not to the extent streaming does, we were seeing listener habits of repeat listening reflected. I considered radio before typing what i did, I guess I should have added "on-demand" to specify. It's like radio in a sense, but without as much manipulation and virtually no spin limit. Or in a bigger, more general sense, it's active listening while streaming vs. maybe just hearing what's on the radio. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 13:40:53 GMT -5
The irony being that no singles (being forced to buy album) had two direct impacts: 1) pirating and 2) reduced record store visit frequency. I remember when people would go in weekly or every other week to pick up latest singles (and inevitably albums). From what I recall, deleting singles really took off when Columbia stopped producing I'll Be There as soon as it hit #1 in order to boost sales of Unplugged. It must've worked because it wasn't long before single quantities became limited and eventually major songs just skipped the release altogether. The first big song I remember being conspicuously absent from the Hot 100 was, believe it or not, the Simpsons' "Do The Bartman" at the end of 1990. It was all over radio and MTV but I couldn't figure out why it wasn't in the Top 40. After I learned about the single availability rule, I saw it happen again a few months later with Janet Jackson's "State Of The World". Then Madonna's "Rescue Me" had a freakishly high (for the time) Hot 100 debut (#15) once the single was released after weeks of suppression. The following year the Mariah/"I'll Be There" situation happened and then we were off and running with the craziness that was the 90s Hot 100. it's like we were human parallels going through the same experience/thoughts at the same time. 1990 is such a detailed year for me when it comes to music. It was my Hot 100 peak, if you will - haha. |
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Post by boysilver400 on Mar 6, 2018 19:04:32 GMT -5
Wtf Broken Clocks didn't debut!!!??? That's fucked....
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 6, 2018 20:43:50 GMT -5
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bon-jovis-album-back-no-1-two-years-later-fair-180141960.htmlWhy is Bon Jovi’s album back at No. 1, two years later — and is that fair?Yahoo Music Paul Grein, Writer March 5, 2018 Top SongsDrake’s “God’s Plan,” which entered the Hot 100 at No. 1 five weeks ago, sits tight in its sixth week. “God’s Plan” is the first song to spend its first six weeks at No. 1 since Adele’s “Hello” spent its first 10 weeks on top in 2015-16. It’s the first song by a male artist to spend its first six weeks at No. 1 since Elton John’s “Candle in the Wind”/”Something about the Way You Look Tonight,” which spent its first 14 weeks on top in 1997-98. “God’s Plan” seems likely to log 10 or more weeks at No. 1. It would be Drake’s second song to do so, following his 2016 smash “One Dance,” which spent 10 weeks on top. Drake is vying to become the second male solo artist with two singles that have logged 10 or more weeks at No. 1. Pharrell Williams was the first, but only combining lead and featured roles. He was featured on Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” (12 weeks on top in 2013) and followed up with his own “Happy” (10 weeks in 2014). “God’s Plan” logs its sixth week at No. 1 on both the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart and the Official U.K. Singles Chart. Post Malone’s “Psycho” (featuring Ty Dolla $ign) is this week’s top new entry at No. 2. It’s his second single to debut at No. 2, following “Rockstar” (featuring 21 Savage), which opened at No. 2 behind in October behind Cardi B’s “Bodak Yellow (Money Moves).” (It logged three weeks in the runner-up spot before it moved up to No. 1.) This is Post Malone’s third top 10 hit, following “Congratulations” (featuring Quavo) and “Rockstar.” It’s Ty Dolla $ign’s highest-charting hit to date. It surpasses Fifth Harmony’s “Work from Home,” which peaked at No. 4. “Psycho” sold 80K digital copies, which allows it to enter Top Digital Songs at No. 1. “Rockstar” also entered the digital sales chart at No. 1. (Surprisingly, that was its only week on top of that chart.) Ed Sheeran’s “Perfect” dips from No. 2 to No. 3 in its 27th week. The song logged six weeks at No. 1. Bruno Mars & Cardi B’s “Finesse” dips from its No. 3 peak to No. 4 in its ninth week. Camila Cabello’s “Havana” (featuring Young Thug) dips from No. 4 to No. 5 in its 29th week. The song reached No. 1. BlocBoy JB’s “Look Alive” (featuring Drake) dips from its No. 5 peak to No. 6 in its third week. “Meant to Be” by Bebe Rehxa and Florida Georgia Line rebounds from No. 8 to No. 7 in its 19th week, matching its highest ranking to date. “Meant to Be” holds at No. 1 on Hot Country Songs for the 14th consecutive week. Post Malone’s “Rockstar” (featuring 21 Savage) drops from No. 6 to No. 8 in its 24th week. The song spent eight weeks at No. 1. Two songs from Black Panther: The Album round out the top 10. “Pray for Me” by the Weeknd & Kendrick Lamar holds at No. 9 in its fourth week. The song peaked at No. 7. “All The Stars” by Kendrick Lamar and SZA drops from its No. 7 peak to No. 10 in its eighth week. “The Middle” by Zedd, Maren Morris, and Grey jumps from No. 13 to No. 11 in its fifth week. Zedd and Grey collaborated on a previous hit, Hailee Steinfeld and Grey’s “Starving” (featuring Zedd), which reached No. 12. Logic’s “44 More” is the week’s second-highest new entry at No. 22. It’s vying to become his third top 15 hit, following the all-star “Sucker for Pain” and “1-800-273-8255” (featuring Alessia Cara and Khalid). Migos’s “Stir Fry” drops out of the top 10 this week.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 8:19:32 GMT -5
From the link above:
But while these bundles are an established practice in the music industry, they raise fairness issues. Is Bon Jovi’s album really the most popular album in America this week, or did the band’s team just capitalize on a quirk in chart methodology?
I totally get it. It's a valid argument. And no, it's not the most popular album this week.
However, anyone who actually cares about what albums topped the chart this week (like us) will find Bon Jovi's re-entry suspect and will most likely figure out what happened in a quick google search, if they don't know already. Everyone else simply doesn't care and life goes on, as do the weekly charts which have always given us plenty of reasons for footnotes and asterisks.
As for if they should change that rule that allows these redemptions... I personally don't think so.
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Post by Gary on Mar 7, 2018 9:24:54 GMT -5
Bon Jovi's album moved the most units so it is the most popular THIS WEEK.
You are right about the no one caring part. This isn't news beyond chart message boards
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Post by 85la on Mar 7, 2018 13:22:02 GMT -5
Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. Disagree, both subjectively and factually. I'm not exactly sure what specific age group you're referring to when you say "kids," but if it's teens/people in their early twenties, that age group has always been highly instrumental in bringing to light new and diverse genres and artists. It is in fact the kids who define and change the popular music landscape of each generation. There's numerous examples of this, even way back to the jazz age, to rock n roll, Elvis, the Beatles, Punk, Grunge, rap, EDM, etc., that the old farts often label as a fad, or too "cheap or scandolous." |
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Post by Gary on Mar 7, 2018 13:29:06 GMT -5
Kids have driven what is popular since there was "popular music". That is just the way it is.
Few people will look up charts or do research to find out what is popular. That only happens with people like us who do this as a hobby.
Reality is, most like music and most will not care what the latest Spotify chart looks like. People will listen to whatever they want
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Post by renaboss on Mar 7, 2018 13:35:55 GMT -5
Life, eh?
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Post by DJ General on Mar 7, 2018 13:50:58 GMT -5
Bon Jovi is rightfully #1. People are literally insane here sometimes, I swear.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 7, 2018 13:51:39 GMT -5
Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. The term “general public” or “people” in terms of audience for music is problematic only because there are so many demographics and groups that “general public” doesn’t exist. In terms of who dictates the charts, younger people are most likely to have the most similar taste in music to their peers and I think that’s why what they like ends up being what tops the chart each week. When you think about it, after a certain age, most people stop caring about new music or if not, will find new music through more unusual sources beyond YouTube, Spotify and radio. Take a sample of 1000 people ages 10-80 and ask them to give you a list of the 10 songs they most recently listened to by choice and you’re more likely going to find similarities between those 10-25 than anyone else. When making a ranked list out of all that, the songs that show up the most will “top” the chart. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 10, 2018 20:23:25 GMT -5
Allow me. The general people, on a global scale. People who don't actually keep up with the charts and only know music from being exposed to it on the radio, on TV, etc. People like my parents, or even my college classmates, who hear about these songs firsthand from me, when they make the top 10, and only then go check them out on purpose (oftentimes to be as disappointed as I am). People who aren't in middle and high school , the ones that push these songs to the top solely based on what artist is arbitrarily still relevant or what meme/viral video is hot right now, regardless of the quality or originality of the song. As I've said already, we are letting kids dictate what is popular, and kids have the worst, least diverse and least comprehensive taste in music, not to mention the most discriminating (regarding genre, gender, age, etc.). These songs can barely be considered hits because barely anyone knows them - again, just the kids. And ourselves. The term “general public” or “people” in terms of audience for music is problematic only because there are so many demographics and groups that “general public” doesn’t exist. In terms of who dictates the charts, younger people are most likely to have the most similar taste in music to their peers and I think that’s why what they like ends up being what tops the chart each week. When you think about it, after a certain age, most people stop caring about new music or if not, will find new music through more unusual sources beyond YouTube, Spotify and radio. Take a sample of 1000 people ages 10-80 and ask them to give you a list of the 10 songs they most recently listened to by choice and you’re more likely going to find similarities between those 10-25 than anyone else. When making a ranked list out of all that, the songs that show up the most will “top” the chart. I’m not saying this isn’t true - i have no idea - but it’s interesting since AC radio (listened to by adults) hangs onto the same damn songs longer than any other format. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 11, 2018 0:38:13 GMT -5
The term “general public” or “people” in terms of audience for music is problematic only because there are so many demographics and groups that “general public” doesn’t exist. In terms of who dictates the charts, younger people are most likely to have the most similar taste in music to their peers and I think that’s why what they like ends up being what tops the chart each week. When you think about it, after a certain age, most people stop caring about new music or if not, will find new music through more unusual sources beyond YouTube, Spotify and radio. Take a sample of 1000 people ages 10-80 and ask them to give you a list of the 10 songs they most recently listened to by choice and you’re more likely going to find similarities between those 10-25 than anyone else. When making a ranked list out of all that, the songs that show up the most will “top” the chart. I’m not saying this isn’t true - i have no idea - but it’s interesting since AC radio (listened to by adults) hangs onto the same damn songs longer than any other format. That's because the format is built around familiarity moreso than any other format. It's "comfort" music and its target audience takes longer to get into new songs than younger audiences. AC also doesn't play songs as frequently on a weekly basis as others so while songs may last longer, they aren't as heavily played in shorter periods of time. |
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Post by stetz on Mar 11, 2018 1:03:20 GMT -5
If only the sorts of music I considered comforting made bigger waves on Billboard charts lol
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Post by iHype. on Mar 11, 2018 3:27:39 GMT -5
The people who hate streaming on the album chart because "having one hit listened to by millions doesn't reflect how popular an album is" are the same people supporting tour bundles which is literally having a popular tour distort into how popular an artist's current album is....  Bon Jovi's run the past 3 weeks is literally OUT-1-OUT on Billboard 200. I can totally see this getting ridiculous and every single week the #1 album being whatever artist tour went on sale. |
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