Billboard Hot 100: 3/10/2018

[Gary]

Cute.

Just looked that up

Rickrolling is ten years old now. The song of course is 30

[Deleted]

Mar 4, 2018 18:58:53 GMT -5 Gary said:

Cute.

Just looked that up

Rickrolling is ten years old now. The song of course is 30

Meh. If the song was never popular in the first place no way the meme would exist.

[inverse]

Mar 4, 2018 9:15:15 GMT -5 mako said:

Mar 3, 2018 22:31:34 GMT -5 hydraflare said:

Oh god, why?

Listen to it, you'll get why it's at #6

It'd make more sense if it was #666

[Leo ✔]

Mess with all those shitty songs debuting.

[mako]

Mar 4, 2018 12:27:07 GMT -5 rainie said:

Mar 3, 2018 21:16:22 GMT -5 mako said:

New XXXTENTACION singles, Sad! (#6 in Spotify), Changes (#23 in Spotify).

Didn't he retire from music anyways?

He came back, has an album coming up, called "?"

[jenglisbe]

On the 90s replay countdown this week "Hero" was at #10 and "Without You" at #4. It occurred to me Mariah had two songs in the top 10 at least two other times - "Fantasy" and "One Sweet Day" and "We Belong Together" and "Shake It Off." It's also possible/likely that it happened with "Dreamlover" and "Hero" and "One Sweet Day" and "Always Be My Baby." Not sure if that's a record, but still impressive (especially for the time).

[boysilver400]

Mar 4, 2018 19:58:18 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

Mess with all those s**tty songs debuting.

Broken Clocks is great tho(If that debuted)

[Leo ✔]

Mar 4, 2018 20:54:27 GMT -5 boysilver400 said:

Mar 4, 2018 19:58:18 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

Mess with all those s**tty songs debuting.

Broken Clocks is great tho(If that debuted)

Other than These Days and Broken Clocks, all are trash.

[garrettlen]

March 9, 1968

04 05 Simon Says - 1910 Fruitgum Co.



This song and recording group were the beginnings of what has been popularly referred to (for good or bad) as "bubblegum music."

Notice the name of the band?

[thelegends]

I got 8/8. It was so easy

[mako]

⅞ we did it bois

[hydraflare]

8/8, even though I guessed on one of them.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 03/05/2018
1. (=) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (183.457) (+1.592)
2. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (175.890) (-0.047)
3. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (137.344) (-2.134)
4. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (132.163) (-0.031)
5. (+1) DRAKE - God's Plan (120.789) (+2.493)
6. (-1) G-EAZY & HALSEY - Him & I (120.033) (+0.794)
7. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (113.988) (+2.127)
8. (=) NF - Let You Down (112.035) (+0.837)
9. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (111.659) (+2.387) ***
10. (=) CHARLIE PUTH - How Long (103.681) (-2.234)
11. (+1) SELENA GOMEZ X MARSHMELLO - Wolves (93.084) (+0.777)
12. (-1) HALSEY - Bad At Love (91.847) (-1.335)
13. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (86.787) (+1.588)
14. (=) KENDRICK LAMAR - LOVE. (81.136) (-1.330)
15. (+1) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (79.406) (+2.453)
16. (-1) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Thunder (77.584) (-0.872)
17. (=) POST MALONE - Rockstar f/21 Savage (76.234) (-0.379)
18. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (71.960) (+0.066)
19. (=) THOMAS RHETT - Marry Me (68.399) (-0.090)
20. (=) SHAWN MENDES - There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back (66.286) (-1.032)

Outside the Top 20:
24. (=) ED SHEERAN - Shape Of You (58.424) (-1.328) ***
26. (+3) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (55.311) (+2.393)
27. (+1) JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE - Say Something f/C Stapleton (54.748) (+1.223)
37. (+5) KENDRICK LAMAR & SZA - All The Stars (47.970) (+2.940)
54. (+4) MIGOS - Stir Fry (35.703) (+1.748)
69. (+1) BLAKE SHELTON - I Lived It (29.596) (+1.447)

[imbondz]

That 93 chart...would never have happened today. Noting But A G Thang is so much better than Informer and would have been #1 for a while. Ahead of it’s time imo.

[Gary]

Mar 5, 2018 9:30:00 GMT -5 imbondz said:

That 93 chart...would never have happened today. Noting But A G Thang is so much better than Informer and would have been #1 for a while. Ahead of it’s time imo.

Of course but not because one song is better than the other


"Noting" But A G Thang would have been a big streaming hit.  The pop-dance heavy "Informer" would have suffered in the rankings

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 4, 2018 19:03:27 GMT -5 @statemusix said:

Mar 4, 2018 18:58:53 GMT -5 Gary said:

Cute.

Just looked that up

Rickrolling is ten years old now. The song of course is 30

Meh. If the song was never popular in the first place no way the meme would exist.

Memes do sometimes get made out of random things that never charted in their time. 

[Sherane Lamar]

Mar 4, 2018 20:54:27 GMT -5 boysilver400 said:

Mar 4, 2018 19:58:18 GMT -5 Leo ✔ said:

Mess with all those s**tty songs debuting.

Broken Clocks is great tho(If that debuted)

Other than Billy and Broken Clocks all are trash. 

[imbondz]

Mar 5, 2018 9:38:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

Mar 5, 2018 9:30:00 GMT -5 imbondz said:

That 93 chart...would never have happened today. Noting But A G Thang is so much better than Informer and would have been #1 for a while. Ahead of it’s time imo.

Of course but not because one song is better than the other


"Noting" But A G Thang would have been a big streaming hit.  The pop-dance heavy "Informer" would have suffered in the rankings

I’m saying tastes have changed. Informer is a cheesy pop song that may still have gone to #1 with or without streaming. I’m also saying in today’s world, NBAGT would have gone to #1 with or without streaming. Radio is way more open today to play a rap song than it was back then. Downloads would have been enormous for that song. Just my opinion.

[renaboss]

Taylor's next single is "Delicate". How cute, another song I don't care much about. Her choice of singles has been weird for me.

[thelegends]

Look What You Made Me Do is the worst performing multi-week #1 song since when? And don't say Harlem Shake because Harlem Shake performed better than it.

Edit : I found the answer, It is Bootylicious, but even then LWYMMD is the second-worst performing multi week #1. Ouch Taylor.

[boysilver400]

I only got 5/8 lol

[Gary]

Mar 5, 2018 10:07:16 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Mar 5, 2018 9:38:18 GMT -5 Gary said:

Of course but not because one song is better than the other


"Noting" But A G Thang would have been a big streaming hit.  The pop-dance heavy "Informer" would have suffered in the rankings

I’m saying tastes have changed. Informer is a cheesy pop song that may still have gone to #1 with or without streaming. I’m also saying in today’s world, NBAGT would have gone to #1 with or without streaming. Radio is way more open today to play a rap song than it was back then. Downloads would have been enormous for that song. Just my opinion.

That can go for just about any songs.  The one thing the Hot 100 does not do is measure how songs hold up over time.

Weekly popularity charts such as this one are for that week only.  Over time, the popularity of a song will continue to go up and down there is just no weekly chart reflecting that.   Lots of #1 hits from the past would fair poorly today and the reverse is true, lots of songs with poor initial chart runs would be big hits today.

[imbondz]

Mar 5, 2018 10:25:14 GMT -5 Gary said:

Mar 5, 2018 10:07:16 GMT -5 imbondz said:

I’m saying tastes have changed. Informer is a cheesy pop song that may still have gone to #1 with or without streaming. I’m also saying in today’s world, NBAGT would have gone to #1 with or without streaming. Radio is way more open today to play a rap song than it was back then. Downloads would have been enormous for that song. Just my opinion.

That can go for just about any songs.  The one thing the Hot 100 does not do is measure how songs hold up over time.

Weekly popularity charts such as this one are for that week only.  Over time, the popularity of a song will continue to go up and down there is just no weekly chart reflecting that.   Lots of #1 hits from the past would fair poorly today and the reverse is true, lots of songs with poor initial chart runs would be big hits today.

Right. It would be so interesting if there was a way to track that. There’s not and never will be so it’s all just subjective.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 5, 2018 11:04:22 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Mar 5, 2018 10:25:14 GMT -5 Gary said:

That can go for just about any songs.  The one thing the Hot 100 does not do is measure how songs hold up over time.

Weekly popularity charts such as this one are for that week only.  Over time, the popularity of a song will continue to go up and down there is just no weekly chart reflecting that.   Lots of #1 hits from the past would fair poorly today and the reverse is true, lots of songs with poor initial chart runs would be big hits today.

Right. It would be so interesting if there was a way to track that. There’s not and never will be so it’s all just subjective.

Well, maybe not in overall chart form, but we do have extensive streaming data now, some recurrent airplay data (used to have more), and of course downloads (though they matter less and less). My point is that there is subjective data out there that can tell us what is popular years later.

It could be cool if Billboard did a recurrent singles chart for songs, say, 5 or more years old.

[renaboss]

Is it possible to, like, redo the Hot 100 charts, and fill in certain gaps? Like, when the "physical release" rules were at play, what if the charts were edited to include airplay-only songs, like "Don't Speak"? Or album tracks like in today's times. Or YouTube views accounted for earlier. This would of course need to be done by someone with a lot of free time, a big passion for the subject and who actually understands how those things/numbers work. I fail the last requirement. But, is it feasible? Where would all the necessary data be found? And would there be much of a difference (especially #1-wise)?

[Deleted]

Mar 5, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Is it possible to, like, redo the Hot 100 charts, and fill in certain gaps? Like, when the "physical release" rules were at play, what if the charts were edited to include airplay-only songs, like "Don't Speak"? Or album tracks like in today's times. Or YouTube views accounted for earlier. This would of course need to be done by someone with a lot of free time, a big passion for the subject and who actually understands how those things/numbers work. I fail the last requirement. But, is it feasible? Where would all the necessary data be found? And would there be much of a difference (especially #1-wise)?

I hear you, but the chart is an industry tool for the time and that era provided us with many asterisks.  And that's ok.  The labels made choices back then knowing the rules, so it is what it is in my book.

Besides, trying to put points together retroactively for all those entries week after week sounds beyond daunting.  

[renaboss]

The good folks who actually work at Billboard would most likely have the sources and the intel to pull off something like that, but that would mean backtracking what they have actually done. Ultimately, it would become a matter of which chart is the real one.

But damn, I sure am curious to know. xD

[jenglisbe]

Mar 5, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Is it possible to, like, redo the Hot 100 charts, and fill in certain gaps? Like, when the "physical release" rules were at play, what if the charts were edited to include airplay-only songs, like "Don't Speak"? Or album tracks like in today's times. Or YouTube views accounted for earlier. This would of course need to be done by someone with a lot of free time, a big passion for the subject and who actually understands how those things/numbers work. I fail the last requirement. But, is it feasible? Where would all the necessary data be found? And would there be much of a difference (especially #1-wise)?

I don't know if the data exists or not, but there would be no point in Billboard doing it so they'd have to sell the data off or something.

"Don't Speak" would not have been #1. It traded off at #1 on Hot 100 Airplay with "Un-break My Heart" so airplay was close between them. "U-BMH" then had the addition of strong sales, so "Don't Speak" would not have been #1 even if it had been allowed to chart. It would have also competed with "Wannabe" for #1, which had big sales and top 10 airplay. My guess is it wouldn't have even been top 2 or 3 since a lot of songs still had commercial singles at that point. It took about a year and a half from the rule change for "Try Again" to become the first airplay-only #1, right?

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Mar 5, 2018 12:26:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 5, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Is it possible to, like, redo the Hot 100 charts, and fill in certain gaps? Like, when the "physical release" rules were at play, what if the charts were edited to include airplay-only songs, like "Don't Speak"? Or album tracks like in today's times. Or YouTube views accounted for earlier. This would of course need to be done by someone with a lot of free time, a big passion for the subject and who actually understands how those things/numbers work. I fail the last requirement. But, is it feasible? Where would all the necessary data be found? And would there be much of a difference (especially #1-wise)?

I don't know if the data exists or not, but there would be no point in Billboard doing it so they'd have to sell the data off or something.

"Don't Speak" would not have been #1. It traded off at #1 on Hot 100 Airplay with "Un-break My Heart" so airplay was close between them. "U-BMH" then had the addition of strong sales, so "Don't Speak" would not have been #1 even if it had been allowed to chart. It would have also competed with "Wannabe" for #1, which had big sales and top 10 airplay. My guess is it wouldn't have even been top 2 or 3 since a lot of songs still had commercial singles at that point. It took about a year and a half from the rule change for "Try Again" to become the first airplay-only #1, right?

Don't Speak may not have been with airplay only, but given that we don't know how much it would have sold in any given tracking week if it had been available, I wouldn't say yes or no with any certainty.  

Still crazy they didn't release a half million copies and let it have a shot at #1.  But man did they sell some albums!

[renaboss]

Mar 5, 2018 12:26:47 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Mar 5, 2018 12:11:57 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Is it possible to, like, redo the Hot 100 charts, and fill in certain gaps? Like, when the "physical release" rules were at play, what if the charts were edited to include airplay-only songs, like "Don't Speak"? Or album tracks like in today's times. Or YouTube views accounted for earlier. This would of course need to be done by someone with a lot of free time, a big passion for the subject and who actually understands how those things/numbers work. I fail the last requirement. But, is it feasible? Where would all the necessary data be found? And would there be much of a difference (especially #1-wise)?

I don't know if the data exists or not, but there would be no point in Billboard doing it so they'd have to sell the data off or something.

"Don't Speak" would not have been #1. It traded off at #1 on Hot 100 Airplay with "Un-break My Heart" so airplay was close between them. "U-BMH" then had the addition of strong sales, so "Don't Speak" would not have been #1 even if it had been allowed to chart. It would have also competed with "Wannabe" for #1, which had big sales and top 10 airplay.

You make a good point that I was honestly just thinking about right before I read your reply. My curiosity mostly stems from, of course, wanting some iconic songs to be regarded as #1 hits ("Imagine", "Thriller", "I Want It That Way", etc.), but there's no guarantee that they actually would have been #1, or fared better than they did, even if the tracking for those songs had been done differently. Heck, we might lose some great #1s and gain some dumber ones. xD But yeah, I'm still curious.