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Post by Sherane Lamar on Mar 11, 2018 3:44:52 GMT -5
I promise you that 95% of DJ Mustard fans would immediately tell you to turn off Body Like A Back Road if you tried to play it in their car.
I promise you that 95% of Country fans would immediately tell you to turn of Rack City if you tried to play it in their car.
You'll never find BLABR and DJ Mustard played back to back on a radio station. They have virtually nothing in common, except that they are both music.
I would poke fun and say "what next? You're going to say Blake Shelton sounds like Skrillex." But at this point, I really wouldn't be surprised by a comparison like that.
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Post by renaboss on Mar 11, 2018 6:34:08 GMT -5
There are songs where the melody is the same but the lyrics change(parodies) Weird Al has a bunch of them, for example Others not necessarily for comedic intent 'Messin' Around' from Pitbull 'I'll Be Missing You' Puff Daddy "Wild Thoughts". God I loathe that song. And I love "Maria Maria". If a song makes me want to listen to another song in its place, that's not a good sign.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 11, 2018 9:18:43 GMT -5
I promise you that 95% of DJ Mustard fans would immediately tell you to turn off Body Like A Back Road if you tried to play it in their car. I promise you that 95% of Country fans would immediately tell you to turn of Rack City if you tried to play it in their car. You'll never find BLABR and DJ Mustard played back to back on a radio station. They have virtually nothing in common, except that they are both music. I would poke fun and say "what next? You're going to say Blake Shelton sounds like Skrillex." But at this point, I really wouldn't be surprised by a comparison like that. I don't recall any posts saying "BLAB" would get played on hip-hop radio. That isn't the point being made.
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 11, 2018 10:29:54 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 55, 50, 45, and 40 years ago:
March 16, 1963
01 01 Walk Like a Man - The Four Seasons (3rd and final week at #1) 02 06 Our Day Will Come - Ruby & The Romantics 03 05 You're The Reason I'm Living - Bobby Darin 04 07 The End Of The World - Skeeter Davis 05 03 Rhythm Of The Rain - The Cascades 06 02 Ruby Baby - Dion 07 04 Hey Paula - Paul & Paula 08 11 Blame It On The Bossa Nova - Eydie Gorme 09 09 What Will Mary Say - Johnny Mathis 10 19 He's So Fine - The Chiffons
March 16, 1968
01 03 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding (1st of 4 weeks at #1) 02 02 (Theme From) Valley Of The Dolls - Dionne Warwick 03 01 Love Is Blue - Paul Mauriat & His Orchestra 04 04 Simon Says - 1910 Fruitgum Co. 05 06 Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Was In) - The First Edition 06 05 I Wish It Would Rain - The Temptations 07 09 La-La Means I Love You - The Delfonics 08 24 Valeri - The Monkees 09 17 (Sweet Sweet Baby) Since You've Been Gone - Aretha Franklin 10 11 I Thank You - Sam & Dave
March 17, 1973
01 01 Killing Me Softly With His Song - Roberta Flack (4th of 5 weeks at #1) 02 02 Dueling Banjos - Deliverance 03 05 Love Train - The O'Jays 04 06 Also Sprach Zarathustra (2001) - Deodato 05 03 Last Song - Edward Bear 06 08 The Cover Of Rolling Stone - Dr. Hook & The Medicine Show 07 04 Could It Be I'm Falling In Love - The Spinners 08 16 Neither One Of Us (Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye) - Gladys Knight & The Pips 09 10 Daddy's Home - Jermaine Jackson 10 15 Danny's Song - Anne Murray
March 18, 1978
01 02 Night Fever - The Bee Gees (1st of 8 weeks at #1) 02 06 Stayin' Alive - The Bee Gees 03 04 Emotion - Samantha Sang 04 05 Lay Down Sally - Eric Clapton 05 01 (Love Is) Thicker Than Water - Andy Gibb 06 10 Can't Smile Without You - Barry Manilow 07 08 I Go Crazy - Paul Davis 08 03 Sometimes When We Touch - Dan Hill 09 07 Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah) - Chic 10 09 Just The Way You Are - Billy Joel
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 11, 2018 10:34:10 GMT -5
The covers discussion came up a few weeks ago and someone (I forget who right now) mentioned the ease of just having access to pretty much every hit song ever as being a possible reason why covers aren’t as in anymore. Back in the 90s, a cover could take on a new life almost as an original song because there wasn’t really a way to check out the original.
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Post by annoymous1 on Mar 11, 2018 10:38:09 GMT -5
Night Fever and Stayin' Alive were classics I'm glad those two songs were in the top 10 at the same time in 78'.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 11, 2018 10:42:40 GMT -5
I'd be very interesting in learning more about the evolution of the mainstream Hip-Hop sound in the last 15 years.
As an older dude (born early 1970s) I've kept up, but lost the passion for H-H post the "Murder Inc" tsunami - when HH was so ubiquitous on the charts that it seemed to lose its 'special' factor. I also felt - again, not paying specific attention - that a typical HH video from 2008 didn't feel or sound that different from a HH video from 1992. This surprised me as culturally, thematically and fashion visually a 15 year spread between the 60s, 70s or 80s were light-years apart in terms of… everything. So it FELT to me like the art form sort of froze.
Clearly the Drake/ Trap / DJ mustard has been pervasive in the last few years. I am currently at a loss why HH didn't dominate Streaming the first few years until 2015. I am surprised it didn't do better on that metric in the earlier years given its current stranglehold.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Mar 11, 2018 10:52:09 GMT -5
I promise you that 95% of DJ Mustard fans would immediately tell you to turn off Body Like A Back Road if you tried to play it in their car. I promise you that 95% of Country fans would immediately tell you to turn of Rack City if you tried to play it in their car. You'll never find BLABR and DJ Mustard played back to back on a radio station. They have virtually nothing in common, except that they are both music. I would poke fun and say "what next? You're going to say Blake Shelton sounds like Skrillex." But at this point, I really wouldn't be surprised by a comparison like that. I don't recall any posts saying "BLAB" would get played on hip-hop radio. That isn't the point being made. You wanna know why? Because it's a Country song.
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Post by thelegends on Mar 11, 2018 10:52:10 GMT -5
Also, back then, clean versions tended to do better than explicit versions (see I Wanna Love You and Lollipop), now explicit versions do way better than clean versions (see Gummo and just about every explicit song), why is that?
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 11, 2018 10:52:59 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 from 35, 30, 25, and 20 years ago:
March 19, 1983
01 01 Billie Jean - Michael Jackson (3rd of 7 weeks at #1) 02 02 Shame On The Moon - Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band 03 04 Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club 04 05 Hungry Like The Wolf - Duran Duran 05 06 Back On The Chain Gang - The Pretenders 06 07 You Are - Lionel Richie 07 08 We've Got Tonight - Kenny Rogers & Sheena Easton 08 10 Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) - Journey 09 11 One On One - Daryl Hall & John Oates 10 13 Mr. Roboto - Styx
March 19, 1988
01 01 Never Gonna Give You Up - Rick Astley (2nd and final week at #1) 02 04 I Get Weak - Belinda Carlisle 03 02 Father Figure - George Michael 04 07 Man In The Mirror - Michael Jackson 05 05 Endless Summer Nights - Richard Marx 06 03 She's Like The Wind - Patrick Swayze feat. Wendy Frazer 07 08 Out Of The Blue - Debbie Gibson 08 06 Just Like Paradise - David Lee Roth 09 09 I Want Her - Keith Sweat 10 12 Get Outta My Dreams, Get Into My Car - Billy Ocean
March 20, 1993
01 01 Informer - Snow (2nd of 7 weeks at #1) 02 03 Nuthin' But a "G" Thang - Dr. Dre feat. Snoop Doggy Dogg 03 06 Freak Me - Silk 04 02 A Whole New World - Peabo Bryson & Regina Belle 05 05 I'm Every Woman - Whitney Houston 06 04 Ordinary World - Duran Duran 07 09 Don't Walk Away - Jade 08 08 Mr. Wendal - Arrested Development 09 11 I Have Nothing - Whitney Houston 10 10 Bed Of Roses - Bon Jovi
11 07 I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston
Just like the previous week, Whitney almost had 3 songs in the Top 10 at the same time.
March 14, 1998
01 02 Gettin' Jiggy Wit It - Will Smith (1st of 3 weeks at #1) 02 01 My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion 03 03 Nice & Slow - Usher 04 06 No, No, No - Destiny's Child 05 05 Truly Madly Deeply - Savage Garden 06 07 Swing My Way - K.P. & Envyi 07 04 Together Again - Janet Jackson 08 09 What You Want - Mase feat. Total 09 12 Gone Till November - Wyclef Jean 10 10 How Do I Live - LeAnn Rimes
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Post by Gary on Mar 11, 2018 11:01:19 GMT -5
The covers discussion came up a few weeks ago and someone (I forget who right now) mentioned the ease of just having access to pretty much every hit song ever as being a possible reason why covers aren’t as in anymore. Back in the 90s, a cover could take on a new life almost as an original song because there wasn’t really a way to check out the original. Lawsuits about copying appear to be on the rise because of that (Stairway to Heaven, Blurred Lines, etc.). Songs can take on a new life to hide either an intentional or unintentional copying of a portion of a song That doesn't explain the lack of direct covers today though. Sounds Of Silence appears to be the biggest one in recent years. If you are going to covers Sounds of Silence, it would be obvious that was your intent. If you were going to lift a lyric or two from it and roll it into a new song, then it would be les obvious but as you say, much easier to check.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 11, 2018 11:19:34 GMT -5
I was referring specifically to covers. Intentional samples are still common in music.
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Post by Soulsista on Mar 11, 2018 11:20:55 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback:
March 15, 2003
01 01 In Da Club - 50 Cent (2nd of 9 weeks at #1) 02 02 All I Have - Jennifer Lopez feat. LL Cool J 03 03 Mesmerize - Ja Rule feat. Ashanti 04 04 Miss You - Aaliyah 05 05 Cry Me a River - Justin Timberlake 06 12 Ignition (Remix) - R. Kelly 07 07 '03 Bonnie & Clyde - Jay-Z feat. Beyonce 08 08 Gossip Folks - Missy Elliott feat. Ludacris 09 09 I'm With You - Avril Lavigne 10 11 Picture - Kid Rock feat. Sheryl Crow or Allison Moorer
March 15, 2008
01 51 Love In This Club - Usher feat. Young Jeezy (1st of 3 weeks at #1) 02 01 Low - Flo Rida feat. T-Pain 03 02 With You - Chris Brown 04 03 Don't Stop The Music - Rihanna 05 04 Love Song - Sara Bareilles 06 13 No Air - Jordin Sparks & Chris Brown 07 06 Apologize - Timbaland feat. OneRepublic 08 05 No One - Alicia Keys 09 09 Independent - Webbie, Lil' Phat & Lil' Boosie 10 07 Sensual Seduction - Snoop Dogg
19 53 Feedback - Janet Jackson
March 16, 2013
01 01 Harlem Shake - Baauer (3rd of 5 weeks at #1) 02 02 Thrift Shop - Macklemore & Ryan Lewis feat. Wanz 03 03 When I Was Your Man - Bruno Mars 04 04 I Knew You Were Trouble. - Taylor Swift 05 07 Stay - Rihanna feat. Mikky Ekko 06 06 Started From The Bottom - Drake 07 05 Scream & Shout - will.i.am feat. Britney Spears 08 08 Suit & Tie - Justin Timberlake feat. Jay-Z 09 09 Locked Out Of Heaven - Bruno Mars 10 12 Don't You Worry Child - Swedish House Mafia feat. John Martin
12 NE Heart Attack - Demi Lovato
March 18, 2017
01 01 Shape Of You - Ed Sheeran (6th of 12 weeks at #1) 02 02 Bad And Boujee - Migos feat. Lil Uzi Vert 03 03 I Don't Wanna Live Forever - Zayn & Taylor Swift 04 04 That's What I Like - Bruno Mars 05 56 Something Just Like This - The Chainsmokers & Coldplay 06 07 Love On The Brain - Rihanna 07 06 Paris - The Chainsmokers 08 27 Tunnel Vision - Kodak Black 09 09 Bounce Back - Big Sean 10 05 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey
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Post by pja on Mar 11, 2018 11:49:33 GMT -5
I promise you that 95% of DJ Mustard fans would immediately tell you to turn off Body Like A Back Road if you tried to play it in their car. I promise you that 95% of Country fans would immediately tell you to turn of Rack City if you tried to play it in their car. You'll never find BLABR and DJ Mustard played back to back on a radio station. They have virtually nothing in common, except that they are both music. I would poke fun and say "what next? You're going to say Blake Shelton sounds like Skrillex." But at this point, I really wouldn't be surprised by a comparison like that. I agree...BLABR sounds more like Achy break heart than any DJ mustard song. Yes country has changed some.....but its still Country.
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Post by Gary on Mar 11, 2018 11:52:36 GMT -5
I was referring specifically to covers. Intentional samples are still common in music. I don't get why that would mean there are fewer direct covers. Having access to every song ever, might give incentive for the opposite. As you say, it certainly gives incentive for sampling. A genre shift more towards hip-hop is the more likely reason. Easier to throw pop lyrics into a hip hop song (which happens regularly) than to remake a pop song directly that is less likely to get streamed/heard by anybody.
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Post by pja on Mar 11, 2018 11:53:53 GMT -5
Also, back then, clean versions tended to do better than explicit versions (see I Wanna Love You and Lollipop), now explicit versions do way better than clean versions (see Gummo and just about every explicit song), why is that? The same reason why 50 years ago you didn't even need a clean version. Values get lax or more liberal over time.
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Post by Gary on Mar 11, 2018 12:04:25 GMT -5
50 years ago , you had 'family friendly' radio and TV as your only way to promote music so it has to be clean.
Today fewer boundaries.
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Post by garrettlen on Mar 11, 2018 12:07:24 GMT -5
March 16, 196801 03 (Sittin' On) The Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding (1st of 4 weeks at #1) The first posthumous #1 single (although unfortunately not the last one) on the Hot 100 occurred the week ending March 16, 1968, when rising R&B star Otis Redding's "(Sitting On) The Dock of the Bay" reached the top of the chart three months after his December 1967 death in a plane crash.
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Post by Choco on Mar 11, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -5
What would it take for Remy Ma’s Melanin Magic to debut on the Hot 100? It's not top 100 on any metric (it's around #125 on overall airplay), so a miracle, most likely.
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Post by fhas on Mar 11, 2018 13:05:05 GMT -5
Billboard Top 10 Flashback: March 18, 201705 56 Something Just Like This - The Chainsmokers & Coldplay 07 06 Paris - The Chainsmokers 10 05 Closer - The Chainsmokers feat. Halsey What a historic week for The Chainsmokers!
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Post by renaboss on Mar 11, 2018 13:23:15 GMT -5
So, I'd never heard of DJ Mustard before. Looked up his Wikipedia page and he's apparently not a very successful artist. How was he brought up again? I know somewhere amidst the country/hip-hop comparisons, but why him?
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Post by rimetm on Mar 11, 2018 14:00:14 GMT -5
His success wasn’t as an artist, it was a producer. Basically every hit hip hop song in 2014 and a fair spread between 2012 and 2016 were his work.
Among his resumé:
I’m Different / 2 Chainz IDFWU / Big Sean LA Love / Fergie Don’t Tell ‘Em / Jeremih Show Me / Kid Ink Post to Be / Omarion Needed Me / Rihanna No Mediocre / TI 2 On / Tinashe Na Na / Trey Songz Paranoid / Ty Dolla Sign Rack City / Tyga My Hitta / YG
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Post by Gary on Mar 11, 2018 14:02:12 GMT -5
Never heard of DJ Mustard, when I read it I keep thinking of Colonel Mustard and the Clue game
Probably how he picked his name anyway - LOL
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Post by kindofbiased on Mar 11, 2018 14:09:07 GMT -5
So, I'd never heard of DJ Mustard before. Looked up his Wikipedia page and he's apparently not a very successful artist. How was he brought up again? I know somewhere amidst the country/hip-hop comparisons, but why him? He was basically the biggest hip-hop producer between 2013-2015, along with Mike Will Made It.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 11, 2018 14:29:14 GMT -5
Very well known for the repetitive "Hey Hey Hey Hey" background chants in songs like "Rack City"; Also used by Sam Hunt, thus the main complaint from Country Purists.
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Post by pja on Mar 11, 2018 14:29:56 GMT -5
50 years ago , you had 'family friendly' radio and TV as your only way to promote music so it has to be clean. Today fewer boundaries. It was that way in the 90s too.....which is why you had clean versions, for the radio and tv.
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Post by Gary on Mar 11, 2018 14:32:33 GMT -5
There was a parental advisory sticker movement that started in the 80s that help divide between clean and explicit
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Post by pja on Mar 11, 2018 14:39:37 GMT -5
There was a parental advisory sticker movement that started in the 80s that help divide between clean and explicit That didn't allow music to be more explicit.. but having more vulgar music did cause the need for that movement. The parental advisory /clean version came into existence because people were making more and more "vulgar" music as time went on. Even comparing music from today to the 90's and its more explicit. Generally most artists now have explicit albums when 20 years ago most artists had clean albums that didn't require them to make a "cleaner" version. The people in the 50's used the same main 2 tools to promote music as people in the 90's...radio and tv. People in the 90s still had to make sure their music was tame enough to be played on tv and on the radio...hence the clean and explicit versions.
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