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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Apr 6, 2018 17:44:31 GMT -5
My pick is Ariana, a #1 from her is yet to happen. And I want it to happen. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 6, 2018 18:50:29 GMT -5
Post has hype, okay that's just a fact.
Ariana has H Y P E
Could be a close race but I guess all we know for sure now is that Drake will most likely be gone and really that's good for everyone
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 18:56:21 GMT -5
Apparently Drake is releasing his new album at the end of April, which gives us Drake v. Post v. Ariana. Where did you hear that? |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 19:02:00 GMT -5
Post has hype, okay that's just a fact. Ariana has H Y P E Could be a close race but I guess all we know for sure now is that Drake will most likely be gone and really that's good for everyone Why would Drake be gone if he's dropping a single tonight and is dropping a whole album that week? If the new Drake song is as strong as God's plan, then all the Ariana and Post power would probably just end up resulting in the same thing that "Psycho" and "Call Me By My Name" result in: a #2 or #3 peak/debut. And I want to see Drake in the #1 position as much as possible. He's absolutely owned this decade on the charts, in a way that no artist has ever owned a decade before. And I feel like the #1 position should reflect that as well. It's long overdue for him. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 6, 2018 19:05:46 GMT -5
Post has hype, okay that's just a fact. Ariana has H Y P E Could be a close race but I guess all we know for sure now is that Drake will most likely be gone and really that's good for everyone Why would Drake be gone if he's dropping a single tonight and is dropping a whole album that week? If the new Drake song is as strong as God's plan, then all the Ariana and Post power would probably just end up resulting in the same thing that "Psycho" and "Call Me By My Name" result in: a #2 or #3 peak/debut. And I want to see Drake in the #1 position as much as possible. He's absolutely owned this decade on the charts, in a way that no artist has ever owned a decade before. And I feel like the #1 position should reflect that as well. It's long overdue for him. Where is all this stuff about Drake coming from I have heard nothing about it Edit: okay so the Drake single is confirmed. joy. but where is this stuff about a new album coming from |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 19:10:12 GMT -5
Why would Drake be gone if he's dropping a single tonight and is dropping a whole album that week? If the new Drake song is as strong as God's plan, then all the Ariana and Post power would probably just end up resulting in the same thing that "Psycho" and "Call Me By My Name" result in: a #2 or #3 peak/debut. And I want to see Drake in the #1 position as much as possible. He's absolutely owned this decade on the charts, in a way that no artist has ever owned a decade before. And I feel like the #1 position should reflect that as well. It's long overdue for him. Where is all this stuff about Drake coming from I have heard nothing about it I am trying to figure out where the idea he'll be dropping an album that week is coming from. It was kcdawg13 who first said it here. The single is absolutely confirmed though. There are many articles about it. (I tried to find an article on the late April claim, and all I could find is articles on Drake dropping a single tonight). So Drake's new single will be in its 4th week on April 27th. Who knows what it'll be like though. He could replace himself at #1 and be just as successful as God's Plan. Or he could replace himself at #1 and then fall off after three weeks. Or, it could be a song like Diplomatic Immunity. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 19:11:11 GMT -5
It was kcdawg13 who made the claim. Waiting for the confirmation. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 6, 2018 19:14:38 GMT -5
Honestly I'm really skeptical. Two major releases on the 27th and all of a sudden Drake too?
Of course it's a possibility but ehhhhhhhh
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2018 19:17:51 GMT -5
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 19:21:34 GMT -5
Drake and Post dropping the same week would be bad for Drake and terrible for Post Malone. They are two of the most anticipated projects this year. They're aimed towards the same demographic. And while obviously Drake would come out on top, Post Malone would still siphon a lot of attention away from Drake.
Ariana's single isn't going to live and die based on which Hip-Hop albums are going to be released that week. There's a significantly different demographic. And it's just one song. So it's not going to compete the same way with the full albums worth of material.
And as for Janelle, I think she's cool. But she's nowhere near the level of these other three artists. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we get one more charting song from her this year at all.
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 6, 2018 19:22:08 GMT -5
Idk who we treat here as the queen of pop but with young people she's kind of the defacto queen of pop (especially on stan twitter where she's probably the most unanimously liked of all the big current pop girls) She can literally take over social media for hours at a time just by posting a snapchat story, it's happened a few times this year and she hasn't even tweeted once Plus she hasn't released any new music since the Manchester incident Combine all that with consistently good radio, sales, and streaming and I think this new song can do NUMBERS |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 19:56:35 GMT -5
Idk who we treat here as the queen of pop but with young people she's kind of the defacto queen of pop (especially on stan twitter where she's probably the most unanimously liked of all the big current pop girls) She can literally take over social media for hours at a time just by posting a snapchat story, it's happened a few times this year and she hasn't even tweeted once Plus she hasn't released any new music since the Manchester incident Combine all that with consistently good radio, sales, and streaming and I think this new song can do NUMBERS As far as female pop artists who debuted this decade, I agree that she is #1 in terms of hype and #1 in terms of overall performance. I feel like overall Post has more hype right now. He's the biggest artist of 2018 so far. And that's not looking to change any time soon. He's debuted at #2 twice in the last 6 months or so. Ariana's best has been #3, back in 2014, boosted by Iggy Azalea's hype. Plus, Post Malone had that weird phase back a while after Rockstar dropped where a bunch of old songs from him randomly started charting without promotion: I Fall Apart, Candy Paint, and Go Flex. Really felt like an organic phenomenon. Like people were going out of their way to discover his old music after hearing Rockstar. Plus, Post Malone's style of music is just doing really well right now. Almost every Pop female since the start of 2017 has either disappointed or flopped with the new stuff they've dropped. I don't think it's LIKELY, but I wouldn't be too shocked if Ariana was next on that list. What Ariana has going for her, is that her hype is not going to partially satiated like Post Malone's will be. Post has been tearing up the charts for the last 6 months. It'll have been over a year since Ariana was last on the charts at all. And it's been about two years since she last dropped an album. And IDK about social media. I'm just going off what the charts tell me. |
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Post by renaboss on Apr 6, 2018 19:58:54 GMT -5
Lol if there's one thing that grinds my gears is whenever stans refer to their fave as "queen" or "king" of anything. Madonna is the Queen of Pop, she earned that title forever ago and no other female artist's career parallels her. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, Aretha Franklin the Queen of Soul, Elvis Presley the King of Rock 'n' Roll... Why can't everyone just accept and respect that? I know it's dumb and shouldn't matter but it irks me to see "QUEEN OF POP" in the comments for every article Billboard posts about any given female artist. I love Ariana to a fault but she's only queen of her own damn house. Sorry. Feel free to ignore this. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2018 20:02:53 GMT -5
Lol if there's one thing that grinds my gears is whenever stans refer to their fave as "queen" or "king" of anything. Madonna is the Queen of Pop, she earned that title forever ago and no other female artist's career parallels her. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, Aretha Franklin the Queen of Soul, Elvis Presley the King of Rock 'n' Roll... Why can't everyone just accept and respect that? I know it's dumb and shouldn't matter but it irks me to see "QUEEN OF POP" in the comments for every article Billboard posts about any given female artist. I love Ariana to a fault but she's only queen of her own damn house. Sorry. Feel free to ignore this. I get your general point, but I think one can argue some females (though certainly not Grande) have matched Madonna. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 20:08:35 GMT -5
Lol if there's one thing that grinds my gears is whenever stans refer to their fave as "queen" or "king" of anything. Madonna is the Queen of Pop, she earned that title forever ago and no other female artist's career parallels her. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, Aretha Franklin the Queen of Soul, Elvis Presley the King of Rock 'n' Roll... Why can't everyone just accept and respect that? I know it's dumb and shouldn't matter but it irks me to see "QUEEN OF POP" in the comments for every article Billboard posts about any given female artist. I love Ariana to a fault but she's only queen of her own damn house. Sorry. Feel free to ignore this. > Hates when fans refer to their fave as "queen". >> Goes on to refer to artists as kings and queens, just because it's conventional. "Why can't everyone just accept and respect that?" I think it's particularly silly to try to cement them as if they're in a position that can never ever be overtaken. Also, this person was clearly only referring to Ariana as "queen" within a particular time frame. Although I'm not sure how relevant it is to exclude Rihanna, Taylor, Selena or Adele because they debuted in the second half of the last decade. The person is right that Ariana Grande is easily the biggest female pop star of this decade to have actually debuted during this decade. (Second and third might be like... Meghan Trainor and Ellie Goulding?) |
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Post by renaboss on Apr 6, 2018 20:10:32 GMT -5
Idk, if I were to rank the hotshot female artists, I'd certainly always put Madonna at #1. Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson would of course make the list, as would Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross and Chér. Maybe Britney Spears, Beyoncé and Rihanna. Oh, cute, that's a top 10 right there.
It's sad that it's so easy to think of the most popular female artists of all time but very hard to do the same with men, cos there's just sooooo many more. A lot of them in groups (Beatles, Bee Gees, Rolling Stones...).
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Post by renaboss on Apr 6, 2018 20:15:49 GMT -5
Lol if there's one thing that grinds my gears is whenever stans refer to their fave as "queen" or "king" of anything. Madonna is the Queen of Pop, she earned that title forever ago and no other female artist's career parallels her. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, Aretha Franklin the Queen of Soul, Elvis Presley the King of Rock 'n' Roll... Why can't everyone just accept and respect that? I know it's dumb and shouldn't matter but it irks me to see "QUEEN OF POP" in the comments for every article Billboard posts about any given female artist. I love Ariana to a fault but she's only queen of her own damn house. Sorry. Feel free to ignore this. > Hates when fans refer to their fave as "queen". >> Goes on to refer to artists as kings and queens, just because it's conventional. "Why can't everyone just accept and respect that?" I think it's particularly silly to try to cement them as if they're in a position that can never ever be overtaken. Also, this person was clearly only referring to Ariana as "queen" within a particular time frame. Although I'm not sure how relevant it is to exclude Rihanna, Taylor, Selena or Adele because they debuted in the second half of the last decade. The person is right that Ariana Grande is easily the biggest female pop star of this decade to have actually debuted during this decade. (Second and third might be like... Meghan Trainor and Ellie Goulding?) (I refuse to mess with the quotes again cos I always screw it up) "> Hates when fans refer to their fave as "queen". >> Goes on to refer to artists as kings and queens, just because it's conventional." Yes. Exactly. I get that you're trying to say I'm a hypocrite and antithetical, but my point is exactly that I hate when people refer to their favorites as kings or queens when said kings or queens supposedly already exist. Like I said, I know it doesn't matter and that nothing is set in stone, they're not official titles (though they kind of are?...), it's just a personal turn-off. To think that Ellie Goulding and Meghan Trainor might be in the top 3 for female pop stars who debuted this decade is just a sad notion. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 20:18:43 GMT -5
Idk, if I were to rank the hotshot female artists, I'd certainly always put Madonna at #1. Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson would of course make the list, as would Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross and Chér. Maybe Britney Spears, Beyoncé and Rihanna. Oh, cute, that's a top 10 right there. It's sad that it's so easy to think of the most popular female artists of all time but very hard to do the same with men, cos there's just sooooo many more. A lot of them in groups (Beatles, Bee Gees, Rolling Stones...). You left off Taylor. She's Top 3. For guys, it's harder because more of them are in groups. And some of the biggest male artists are identified as a genre other than Pop. People like Elvis, Drake, Usher, Stevie Wonder, Prince etc. Question: Who is the biggest female solo artist of all time, who is NOT categorized as "Pop" by iTunes? I remember Whitney used to be categorized as R&B/Soul. But now she's Pop again. For top solo male pop acts, I would probably say Elton John, Michael Jackson, Justin Timberlake... IDK who would come after that. |
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Post by kindofbiased on Apr 6, 2018 20:20:10 GMT -5
Lol if there's one thing that grinds my gears is whenever stans refer to their fave as "queen" or "king" of anything. Madonna is the Queen of Pop, she earned that title forever ago and no other female artist's career parallels her. Michael Jackson is the King of Pop, Aretha Franklin the Queen of Soul, Elvis Presley the King of Rock 'n' Roll... Why can't everyone just accept and respect that? I know it's dumb and shouldn't matter but it irks me to see "QUEEN OF POP" in the comments for every article Billboard posts about any given female artist. I love Ariana to a fault but she's only queen of her own damn house. Sorry. Feel free to ignore this. I feel like no one's saying they're the biggest pop star ever when they say "queen" or "king", that would be straight up wrong, just the biggest pop star at the time. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2018 20:21:56 GMT -5
I remember Whitney used to be categorized as R&B/Soul. But now she's Pop again. Whitney was always pop. In fact her first two albums were so pop she was booed at the Soul Train awards. That isn't to say she doesn't have R&B/soul influences or songs (she does), but she was always a pop singer and star. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 20:25:24 GMT -5
The biggest non-Pop females I can think of off the top of my head are Nicki Minaj and Carrie Underwood. But I'm sure there's a lot more than that.
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Post by Gary on Apr 6, 2018 20:29:39 GMT -5
Whitney began as a gospel singer and sang backup for Chaka Khan - Her first single went top 10 on the Black singles chart and failed to reach the top 40 on pop
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 20:57:50 GMT -5
Top "Invasion Of Privacy" songs on YouTube so far: (ignoring the 4 songs that were already released):
1. I Like It (1.108M) (I could imagine those views being disproportionately international tho)
2. I Do (1.054M)
3. Ring (629K) (surprisingly high, but it is pretty Popish compared to the others)
4. She Bad (578K) (surprised this is so high)
5. Best Life (535K) (Wasn't Chance supposed to be "the next big thing"? He's getting beat by YG?)
6. Get Up 10 (470K)
7. Money Bag (435K)
8. Thru Your Phone (393K) (surprised this is above Bickenhead)
9. Bickenhead (343K)
I think YouTube, because of their layout and suggestions, is going to give more weight towards the Feature artists than Spotify will.
I think Spotify numbers will be kinder to the songs at the beginning of the album.
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Apr 6, 2018 20:59:46 GMT -5
What about Cabello ?  |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2018 21:09:06 GMT -5
Whitney began as a gospel singer and sang backup for Chaka Khan - Her first single went top 10 on the Black singles chart and failed to reach the top 40 on pop None of which has any relevance to how she was known/seen by the public-at-large. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 6, 2018 21:10:27 GMT -5
In another sign that God's Plan is steadily dropping, it got overtaken by Psycho for #1 in Pandora's top spins. I think that's the first week since it was available there, the song isn't #1 there.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 6, 2018 21:13:15 GMT -5
What about Cabello ? Yeah, she's one Pop girl who hasn't flopped or disappointed. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 6, 2018 21:15:41 GMT -5
Whitney began as a gospel singer and sang backup for Chaka Khan - Her first single went top 10 on the Black singles chart and failed to reach the top 40 on pop None of which has any relevance to how she was known/seen by the public-at-large. With that background and family line, I am sure the public-at-large said...hmm...that is a pop singer - LOL Actually turns out to be multiple genres Dance, AC, R&B, Pop |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 6, 2018 21:48:26 GMT -5
None of which has any relevance to how she was known/seen by the public-at-large. With that background and family line, I am sure the public-at-large said...hmm...that is a pop singer - LOL Actually turns out to be multiple genres Dance, AC, R&B, Pop The point being the public didn't even know about her early work, and Dionne Warwick made pop music anyway. "Saving All My Love For You" was an AC ballad. "How Will I Know" was unabashedly pop. "I Wanna Dance..." is a pop song. Those are the songs she became famous for, and as I said, she was booed at the Soul Train Awards. She was pop. Her biggest hit - "I Will Always Love You" - is a pop ballad. She won 3 Grammys for Pop Female before she ever won her lone R&B Grammy. She only became seen as more of an R&B singer late in her career when AC ballads went out of style, and when music in general became more 'urban' and she followed suit with MLIYL. It isn't a criticism to say she was seen as a pop star, so I don't even understand the disagreement. |
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Apr 6, 2018 21:56:49 GMT -5
I’m confused why Drake would release another single right now, when God’s Plan is still going really strong.
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