Billboard Hot 100: 4/14/2018

[jenglisbe]

Apr 5, 2018 9:57:31 GMT -5 Gary said:

Apr 5, 2018 9:45:48 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Right. And how does it not make sense to use post-1958 as the standard?

The equivalent would be if we now split the Hot 100 into its components - streaming, airplay, and downloads - yet continued to compare one or more of those chart topper stats to the singular Hot 100 chart topper.

Elvis and Rock N Roll  --- the two biggest things to come out of 1955-1958 era

As the only artist from that era to appear high on all-time lists -  there is an asterisk next to his name

It would make better sense to remove the asterisk and start everything from 1955

If you go back to 1955, which chart do you use from 1955-1958?

[Leo ✔]

Congrats on the #1 overall Bebe!!

[Gary]

The common one is Best Sellers in Stores

[annoymous1]

Finesse had a good run at number 1 on radio too bad it couldn't hit number 1 on the hot100.

[Gary]

Joel Whitburn books also start w 1955

[fhas]

Finesse this week:
Airplay: -7M after 3 days
iTunes: Remix #18, Original #163
Spotify: -21.7% after 6 days (#66)
YouTube: -4.6% after 4 days

[ahmiizafii]

I think it will be below perfect again.

[renaboss]

For me, I go back to "Rock Around the Clock" per Joel Whitburn's book. I believe he goes by the Best Sellers in Stores chart, so those are the #1's I consider. Because, to start with the top 100 dating back to November 1955, I'd miss out on some cool '55 songs, several Presley hits (if we're rigorous, he didn't have 17-19 #1s as people tend to claim, but 14, 7 on the top 100, 7 on the Hot 100), and one of my fave songs, "That'll Be the Day" by Buddy Holly & The Crickets (#1 on Best Sellers but not on the Top 100).

Guys, clear this up for me please if you can: what is the peak position for Doris Day's "Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)"? Wikipedia has it at #2, but Christopher Feldman's book of #2 hits doesn't list it, and it also goes back to the "Rock Around the Clock" era.

[renaboss]

I have yet to hear "Finesse" on the radio here in Portugal. How? "Beautiful Trauma", of all songs, gets regular rotation.

[jebsib]

Wikipedia is right - Que Sera spent 3 weeks at #2, per Joel Whitburn.

[jebsib]

Also, because of the massive cultural & technological shifts in the 1960s, demand for anything pre-Lyndon Johnson (including B&W movies, '50s musicals, TV series that weren't readily recorded, and yes, mono hit singles that sound like they are from a different era) is very low, and gets lower the further out we get from it. Only the odd thing (Xmas songs, movies like Wizard of Oz, etc) survive.

I'd love BB to retroactively count 1940 - 1958 in their tallies, but that will never happen.

I also hate how they say Hot 100 Airplay (Radio Songs) only started in Dec 1990 when it stretches back to Oct 1984 (just not monitored)

[jenglisbe]

Apr 5, 2018 12:35:13 GMT -5 renaboss said:

For me, I go back to "Rock Around the Clock" per Joel Whitburn's book. I believe he goes by the Best Sellers in Stores chart, so those are the #1's I consider. Because, to start with the top 100 dating back to November 1955, I'd miss out on some cool '55 songs, several Presley hits (if we're rigorous, he didn't have 17-19 #1s as people tend to claim, but 14, 7 on the top 100, 7 on the Hot 100), and one of my fave songs, "That'll Be the Day" by Buddy Holly & The Crickets (#1 on Best Sellers but not on the Top 100).

Guys, clear this up for me please if you can: what is the peak position for Doris Day's "Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)"? Wikipedia has it at #2, but Christopher Feldman's book of #2 hits doesn't list it, and it also goes back to the "Rock Around the Clock" era.

So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?

Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?

[rimetm]

The more apt comparison now would be using Streaming Songs instead of the Hot 100, since Store Sellers represented the largest actively consumed metric of its scene.

50s’ Digital Songs equivalent would be Jukebox Plays from what I can tell: an actively consumed metric past its prime and possibly a few years away from being dropped as a metric (in the latter’s case, it only lasted as part of Top 100 from 1955 to 1957, a few months before the actual chart was replaced).

But yeah, point is that nothing’s going to replace raw data for determining records pre-Hot 100, and relying on a single metric probably isn’t an ideal solution.

[Gary]

Apr 5, 2018 14:39:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 5, 2018 12:35:13 GMT -5 renaboss said:

For me, I go back to "Rock Around the Clock" per Joel Whitburn's book. I believe he goes by the Best Sellers in Stores chart, so those are the #1's I consider. Because, to start with the top 100 dating back to November 1955, I'd miss out on some cool '55 songs, several Presley hits (if we're rigorous, he didn't have 17-19 #1s as people tend to claim, but 14, 7 on the top 100, 7 on the Hot 100), and one of my fave songs, "That'll Be the Day" by Buddy Holly & The Crickets (#1 on Best Sellers but not on the Top 100).

Guys, clear this up for me please if you can: what is the peak position for Doris Day's "Whatever Will Be, Will Be (Que Sera, Sera)"? Wikipedia has it at #2, but Christopher Feldman's book of #2 hits doesn't list it, and it also goes back to the "Rock Around the Clock" era.

So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?

Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?

"So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?" - Yes

"Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?" - Of the 4 available, that is the one that is recognized.

Seriously though as with all stats, it is up to who is viewing them to decide what they want.  Joel Whitburn's picture, to me is more complete than say start with August 1958.  For you, go with the Hot 100 stats starting in August 1958.  Comes down to reader preference.

For instance if you start with August 1958, Mariah Carey has a commanding lead in #1's over Elvis.  Start with 1955, depending on how you measure it, Elvis is either one behind or tied.

[jenglisbe]

Apr 5, 2018 14:58:42 GMT -5 Gary said:

Apr 5, 2018 14:39:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?

Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?

"So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?" - Yes

"Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?" - Of the 4 available, that is the one that is recognized.

Seriously though as with all stats, it is up to who is viewing them to decide what they want.  Joel Whitburn's picture, to me is more complete than say start with August 1958.  For you, go with the Hot 100 stats starting in August 1958.  Comes down to reader preference.

For instance if you start with August 1958, Mariah Carey has a commanding lead in #1's over Elvis.  Start with 1955, depending on how you measure it, Elvis is either one behind or tied.

And if you use Digital Songs to represent #1s, then Taylor Swift is past Madonna, Whitney, etc in #1s.

[Gary]

That is what makes statistics fun. More than one way to interpret them. For you, I would go with whatever suits you.

Joel Whitburn does it one way
The Hot 100 does it another

I like one way, you like another -- the "right answer" FOR YOU lies in what you choose to read and interpret for yourself

[Au$tin]

Interesting. "Meant to Be" is #1 on overall radio, but isn't #1 on any format. #3 on pop, #3 on hot AC, #45 on rhythmic, #17 on AC, and #3 on country.

When is the last time a song reached #1 on overall radio before hitting #1 on any format? I assume it's fairly common towards the end of a song's run at #1 on overall, but at the beginning?

[atg]

So GP will have 12-14 weeks at most at this point

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Apr 5, 2018 21:34:07 GMT -5 atg said:

So GP will have 12-14 weeks at most at this point

I can see God's Plan taking 14 weeks. Unsure with 12-13. I think Meant To Be or Psycho will dethrone God's Plan.

[Gary]

I still think it will be something not yet released

[85la]

^ From what I looked up, Umbrella didn't reach #1 on any major format ever but was #1 on overall airplay for 4 weeks, which is surprising given what a huge airplay hit and overall hit it was. It did reach #1 on Hot Dance Airplay though for 7 weeks, which it actually topped 3 weeks before the overall Hot 100 Airplay.

I also noticed looking through Rihanna's history that Pon De Replay was #7 on Hot Rap Songs lol. Maybe there was a remix with a featured rapper?....

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Apr 5, 2018 21:41:43 GMT -5 Gary said:

I still think it will be something not yet released

Like, Ariana's lead single?

[rfucom]

Apr 5, 2018 19:12:19 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Interesting. "Meant to Be" is #1 on overall radio, but isn't #1 on any format. #3 on pop, #3 on hot AC, #45 on rhythmic, #17 on AC, and #3 on country.

When is the last time a song reached #1 on overall radio before hitting #1 on any format? I assume it's fairly common towards the end of a song's run at #1 on overall, but at the beginning?

That's what I like maybe?

[Glove Slap]

There's a new Drake single coming tomorrow.

[Sherane Lamar]

What Cardi songs do you expect/want to chart?

The album was way better than I thought it would be. I hope it doesn't flop.

I hope:

* Bickenhead
* Money Bag
* I Like It
* I Do
* Get Up 10

I predict:

* Drip
* Get Up 10
* I Do
* Best Life
* I Like It

[kanfad]

Apr 6, 2018 0:45:20 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

There's a new Drake single coming tomorrow.

Drake pulling a BEP

[renaboss]

Apr 5, 2018 14:39:19 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 5, 2018 12:35:13 GMT -5 renaboss said:

For me, I go back to "Rock Around the Clock" per Joel Whitburn's book. I believe he goes by the Best Sellers in Stores chart, so those are the #1's I consider. Because, to start with the top 100 dating back to November 1955, I'd miss out on some cool '55 songs, several Presley hits (if we're rigorous, he didn't have 17-19 #1s as people tend to claim, but 14, 7 on the top 100, 7 on the Hot 100), and one of my fave songs, "That'll Be the Day" by Buddy Holly & The Crickets (#1 on Best Sellers but not on the Top 100).

So...just because Joel Whitburn uses it we go with it?

Isn't using that chart to represent the Hot 100 the same as if we only used "Digital Songs" to represent the Hot 100 now?

I use it. You can use whatever reference you prefer. I even like to make up my own #1's, less frustrating. 

[fhas]

Apr 6, 2018 4:02:04 GMT -5 kanfad said:

Apr 6, 2018 0:45:20 GMT -5 Glove Slap said:

There's a new Drake single coming tomorrow.

Drake pulling a BEP

Wait... there's a chance for an 11-week #1 (God's Plan)? Amazing.

[𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿]

Apr 6, 2018 0:49:48 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

What Cardi songs do you expect/want to chart?

The album was way better than I thought it would be. I hope it doesn't flop.

I hope:

* Bickenhead
* Money Bag
* I Like It
* I Do
* Get Up 10

I predict:

* Drip
* Get Up 10
* I Do
* Best Life
* I Like It

I hope will be Drip, I Do, Best Life, Money Bag, and She Bad

[renaboss]

Fingers crossed for the downfall of "God's Plan". At this point I don't care who does it, I just want it done.