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Post by deepston on Apr 26, 2018 9:27:10 GMT -5
Why is everyone calling Ariana and Camila the new pop stars? Ariana, sure, she had some big hits already but Camila just started. She already collected some minor flops and only has one big enough hit Well one has a #1 single and the other doesn't... Ariana is in a much better position commercially though.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 26, 2018 9:28:47 GMT -5
Well one has a #1 single and the other doesn't... Ariana is in a much better position commercially though. In 2018 that's arguable.
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Post by Bwol on Apr 26, 2018 9:35:07 GMT -5
Ariana > Camila
In sales, iconicness, and fans.
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Post by deepston on Apr 26, 2018 9:37:22 GMT -5
Ariana is in a much better position commercially though. In 2018 that's arguable. Ariana has a very devoted (gay) fanbase. Camila had a huge hit. To survive in this industry you need people to constantly follow and stan you and Camila is nowhere near that yet.
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Post by Normi on Apr 26, 2018 9:37:25 GMT -5
Lol Cardi has a #1 and Nicki doesn't Let's not discuss whose impact overall has been stronger Ariana had 9 Top 10s (all as lead) Camila had 2
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 26, 2018 9:49:41 GMT -5
Ariana has a very devoted (gay) fanbase. Camila had a huge hit. To survive in this industry you need people to constantly follow and stan you and Camila is nowhere near that yet. I agree (to an extent) with your point but I don’t get why saying her fans are gay is neccesary. Also, as you said, Camila and Ariana are not comparable. One song which was lucky to get to #1 does not trump Ariana’s almost perfect steak of getting all of her singles into the top 10
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Post by deepston on Apr 26, 2018 9:55:46 GMT -5
Ariana has a very devoted (gay) fanbase. Camila had a huge hit. To survive in this industry you need people to constantly follow and stan you and Camila is nowhere near that yet. I agree (to an extent) with your point but I don’t get why saying her fans are gay is neccesary. Also, as you said, Camila and Ariana are not comparable. One song which was lucky to get to #1 does not trump Ariana’s almost perfect steak of getting all of her singles into the top 10 A lot of her fans are gay and her songs resonate a lot with the lgbt community. It was a joke anyway.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 26, 2018 10:19:25 GMT -5
Ariana has a very devoted (gay) fanbase. Camila had a huge hit. To survive in this industry you need people to constantly follow and stan you and Camila is nowhere near that yet. Bruh the group that Camila left had people that constantly followed and stanned them, and it didn't translate into consistent success. Ariana does seem have more of the group that you need to have constant success: Women (i.e. the group that made Drake massive, and that Lady Gaga lost in the early 10s). Moreso than Camila for right now anyway.
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 26, 2018 10:36:48 GMT -5
Ariana has a very devoted (gay) fanbase. Camila had a huge hit. To survive in this industry you need people to constantly follow and stan you and Camila is nowhere near that yet. Bruh the group that Camila left had people that constantly followed and stanned them, and it didn't translate into consistent success. Ariana does seem have more of the group that you need to have constant success: Women (i.e. the group that made Drake massive, and that Lady Gaga lost in the early 10s). Moreso than Camila for right now anyway. You can arguably say that either Camila, Ariana or even Cardi B are the it girls of 2018.Camila and Ariana are big worldwide pop stars and the thing with Ariana is that she has yet to have a #1 hot 100 hit.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 26, 2018 10:41:33 GMT -5
Not having a #1 hit does not make Ariana less of a pop star. Iggy has a #1 hit and look at her now? When Camilla can sell out arenas worldwide then we can put them on the same level.
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Post by Glove Slap on Apr 26, 2018 10:42:43 GMT -5
Yes, but she's had 10 singles that have gone top 10 on either CHR or the Hot 100, and this will be her 11th.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 26, 2018 10:46:03 GMT -5
Problem was also basically #1. Having a #1 is a huge success but part of it is the luck of what the charts are like that week. Havana nearly missed it. Problem nearly got it. That doesn't mean Havana was bigger than Problem or that Camila is bigger than Ariana. I am sure there examples of huge artists without a #1 and nobodies with a #1. Is Gotye bigger than Ariana? He had a mutli week #1 which was also the #1 song of 2012?
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 26, 2018 11:02:20 GMT -5
Problem was also basically #1. Having a #1 is a huge success but part of it is the luck of what the charts are like that week. Havana nearly missed it. Problem nearly got it. That doesn't mean Havana was bigger than Problem or that Camila is bigger than Ariana. I am sure there examples of huge artists without a #1 and nobodies with a #1. Is Gotye bigger than Ariana? He had a mutli week #1 which was also the #1 song of 2012? Dont be comparing Camila to Gotye.Camila is on tour now and most of her shows are sold out.Havana was a 7 week airplay #1 and did finally get its week at #1 on the hot 100.Gotye is basically a 1 hit wonder while Camila is already on her 2nd huge hit.
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Post by born on Apr 26, 2018 11:10:14 GMT -5
Problem was #9 on the 2014 YE chart. That’s the size of a slightly above average #1 song. It’s higher than half of Rihanna’s #1s like SOS, S&M, Pon De Replay etc. I agree on everything you said but I couldn't help myself, so: "Pon De Replay" only reached #2.
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Post by Dylan :) on Apr 26, 2018 11:18:07 GMT -5
Problem was also basically #1. Having a #1 is a huge success but part of it is the luck of what the charts are like that week. Havana nearly missed it. Problem nearly got it. That doesn't mean Havana was bigger than Problem or that Camila is bigger than Ariana. I am sure there examples of huge artists without a #1 and nobodies with a #1. Is Gotye bigger than Ariana? He had a mutli week #1 which was also the #1 song of 2012? Dont be comparing Camila to Gotye.Camila is on tour now and most of her shows are sold out.Havana was a 7 week airplay #1 and did finally get its week at #1 on the hot 100.Gotye is basically a 1 hit wonder while Camila is already on her 2nd huge hit. Never Be The Same is a hit but it is far from huge Camila (2017-): Crying In The Club: #47 Hot 100, #19 Pop Havana: #1 Hot 100, #1 Pop Never Be The Same: #12 Hot 100, #2 Pop Ariana (2013-2017): The Way: #9 Hot 100, #12 Pop Baby I: #21 Hot 100 Right There: #84 Hot 100, #37 Pop Problem: #2 Hot 100, #1 Pop Break Free: #4 Hot 100, #4 Pop Bang Bang: #3 Hot 100, #2 Pop Love Me Harder: #7 Hot 100, #3 Pop Santa Tell Me: #42 Hot 100, #39 Pop One Last Time: #12 Hot 100, #6 Pop Focus: #7 Hot 100, #13 Pop Dangerous Woman: #8 Hot 100, #4 Pop Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop Side To Side: #4 Hot 100, #1 Pop Everyday: #55 Hot 100, #18 Pop They are not comparable
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Post by #brayden on Apr 26, 2018 11:21:20 GMT -5
“Havana” was a bigger hit than anything Ariana’s put out, but that doesn’t make Camila the bigger popstar in the grand scheme of things.
I do think Camila has potential to eventually be the bigger popstar, though. It’ll come down to her material and whether or not Ariana continues to release music that’ll keep her closer to the Selena/Demi level of things.
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Post by leonagwen on Apr 26, 2018 11:23:00 GMT -5
Dont be comparing Camila to Gotye.Camila is on tour now and most of her shows are sold out.Havana was a 7 week airplay #1 and did finally get its week at #1 on the hot 100.Gotye is basically a 1 hit wonder while Camila is already on her 2nd huge hit. Never Be The Same is a hit but it is far from huge Camila (2017-): Crying In The Club: #47 Hot 100, #19 Pop Havana: #1 Hot 100, #1 Pop Never Be The Same: #12 Hot 100, #2 Pop Ariana (2013-2017): The Way: #9 Hot 100, #12 Pop Baby I: #21 Hot 100 Right There: #84 Hot 100, #37 Pop Problem: #2 Hot 100, #1 Pop Break Free: #4 Hot 100, #4 Pop Bang Bang: #3 Hot 100, #2 Pop Love Me Harder: #7 Hot 100, #3 Pop Santa Tell Me: #42 Hot 100, #39 Pop One Last Time: #12 Hot 100, #6 Pop Focus: #7 Hot 100, #13 Pop Dangerous Woman: #8 Hot 100, #4 Pop Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop Side To Side: #4 Hot 100, #1 Pop Everyday: #55 Hot 100, #18 Pop They are not comparable Ariana has been around since 2013 and Camila just went solo last year.Of course Ariana has more hits.
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Post by JayBoozer on Apr 26, 2018 11:46:48 GMT -5
Dont be comparing Camila to Gotye.Camila is on tour now and most of her shows are sold out.Havana was a 7 week airplay #1 and did finally get its week at #1 on the hot 100.Gotye is basically a 1 hit wonder while Camila is already on her 2nd huge hit. Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop This is one of the biggest travesties in music of all time. It blows my mind to this day that this was not a record-smashing 16 week number one.
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Post by Choco on Apr 26, 2018 12:02:24 GMT -5
Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop This is one of the biggest travesties in music of all time. It blows my mind to this day that this was not a record-smashing 16 week number one. I still feel pain everytime someone brings back it's Hot 100 peak into the conversation :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by yuh yuh on Apr 26, 2018 12:06:50 GMT -5
Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop This is one of the biggest travesties in music of all time. It blows my mind to this day that this was not a record-smashing 16 week number one. Yeah. It sounded like a real song of the summer.
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Post by NeRD on Apr 26, 2018 12:17:49 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Apr 26, 2018 14:00:29 GMT -5
The worst part of 'Into You' ending up how it did was, it still had a bullet in the upper triple digits at pop radio, and still getting good spin gains when they released 'Side To Side'. Either they could have held off on STS a little longer (at least at radio) or kept pushing IY while STS did its thing. Ari might have been able to get away with it, off the back of 'Dangerous Woman' doing as well as it did.
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Post by Caviar on Apr 26, 2018 14:27:02 GMT -5
The worst part of 'Into You' ending up how it did was, it still had a bullet in the upper triple digits at pop radio, and still getting good spin gains when they released 'Side To Side'. Either they could have held off on STS a little longer (at least at radio) or kept pushing IY while STS did its thing. Ari might have been able to get away with it, off the back of 'Dangerous Woman' doing as well as it did. They had to cut their losses. IY was released in May and it still was lingering around by August. Scooter came on board right before the VMA's and they used that as a platform to launch S2S. It was nothing like how Rih's team decided to slit the wrists of "Cheers" to launch WFL. Now THAT still pisses me off.
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Post by survivorqt on Apr 26, 2018 15:23:58 GMT -5
They should stop the discount now and discount it later after a big performance
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Post by super2018 on Apr 26, 2018 16:49:02 GMT -5
Ariana is light years ahead of Camila. Ariana is on her fourth album and getting stronger and bigger with each release. This track should elevate her. Deserves to be a huge hit. Its the best song released by a pop female in many years.
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Post by Soundcl🕤ck on Apr 26, 2018 16:51:04 GMT -5
Ariana is much bigger, but Side To Side, Problem and Bang Bang are not comparable to Havana..this song was huge EVERYWHERE.
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Post by super2018 on Apr 26, 2018 16:53:16 GMT -5
Bruh the group that Camila left had people that constantly followed and stanned them, and it didn't translate into consistent success. Ariana does seem have more of the group that you need to have constant success: Women (i.e. the group that made Drake massive, and that Lady Gaga lost in the early 10s). Moreso than Camila for right now anyway. You can arguably say that either Camila, Ariana or even Cardi B are the it girls of 2018.Camila and Ariana are big worldwide pop stars and the thing with Ariana is that she has yet to have a #1 hot 100 hit. Having a hot 100 hit is not something she particularly needs. Its not the b all and end all of everything.
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Post by super2018 on Apr 26, 2018 16:57:37 GMT -5
Never Be The Same is a hit but it is far from huge Camila (2017-): Crying In The Club: #47 Hot 100, #19 Pop Havana: #1 Hot 100, #1 Pop Never Be The Same: #12 Hot 100, #2 Pop Ariana (2013-2017): The Way: #9 Hot 100, #12 Pop Baby I: #21 Hot 100 Right There: #84 Hot 100, #37 Pop Problem: #2 Hot 100, #1 Pop Break Free: #4 Hot 100, #4 Pop Bang Bang: #3 Hot 100, #2 Pop Love Me Harder: #7 Hot 100, #3 Pop Santa Tell Me: #42 Hot 100, #39 Pop One Last Time: #12 Hot 100, #6 Pop Focus: #7 Hot 100, #13 Pop Dangerous Woman: #8 Hot 100, #4 Pop Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop Side To Side: #4 Hot 100, #1 Pop Everyday: #55 Hot 100, #18 Pop They are not comparable Ariana has been around since 2013 and Camila just went solo last year.Of course Ariana has more hits. I will be very surprised if Camila makes it to four solo albums to be honest.
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Post by Mayman on Apr 26, 2018 16:58:47 GMT -5
Dont be comparing Camila to Gotye.Camila is on tour now and most of her shows are sold out.Havana was a 7 week airplay #1 and did finally get its week at #1 on the hot 100.Gotye is basically a 1 hit wonder while Camila is already on her 2nd huge hit. Never Be The Same is a hit but it is far from huge Camila (2017-): Crying In The Club: #47 Hot 100, #19 Pop Havana: #1 Hot 100, #1 Pop Never Be The Same: #12 Hot 100, #2 Pop Ariana (2013-2017): The Way: #9 Hot 100, #12 Pop Baby I: #21 Hot 100 Right There: #84 Hot 100, #37 Pop Problem: #2 Hot 100, #1 Pop Break Free: #4 Hot 100, #4 Pop Bang Bang: #3 Hot 100, #2 Pop Love Me Harder: #7 Hot 100, #3 Pop Santa Tell Me: #42 Hot 100, #39 Pop One Last Time: #12 Hot 100, #6 Pop Focus: #7 Hot 100, #13 Pop Dangerous Woman: #8 Hot 100, #4 Pop Into You: #13 Hot 100, #7 Pop Side To Side: #4 Hot 100, #1 Pop Everyday: #55 Hot 100, #18 Pop They are not comparable Wow at Santa Tell Me hitting #39 on Pop, very surprised lol. Let’s not forget about “Bad Things” (#4 Hot 100, #1 Pop) and “IKnow What You Did Last Summer” (#20 Hot 100, #10 Pop).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 17:02:58 GMT -5
I say Problem & Havana were pretty equally big in terms of impact and everything And in the long run will probably be there signature songs
But overall Ari already is a fully developed artist Definitely the most successful new female Pop artist of the 2010s
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