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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 4, 2018 9:25:30 GMT -5
It would be crazy if Drake was the one to break Madonna’s Top 10 record and not Rihanna.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 4, 2018 9:42:31 GMT -5
FOUR?!? Four Post Malone songs? The music industry has turned into utter trash. Ps: I don’t have anything against Post Malone, I just hate the power of streaming, especially when that’s the main reason of my favorite artists’ floppage. I have nothing against streaming and definitely not against Post Malone since i kinda like his new album but Billboard needs to find a way to balance between streaming, sales and radio towards their charts. Otherwise, their charts will look like a mess and very boring very soon. I mean, 4 of post malone songs in Top 10? Like majority of people even have no ideal about them or their music. it just doesn't reflect the popularity. Anyway, just notice that this back to #1 itunes. Surprisingly, it does extremely well on itunes. I’m pretty sure those song being streamed enough to be in the top ten is being streamed by more than the number of people purchasing the most downloaded song in a given week.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 10:19:27 GMT -5
I agree with you but it'll be hard to find a balance with sales dying. Only 2 songs are predicted to sell 30k this week.. They have to find a way. We are going to witness 4 posr malone songs and possibly 3 drake songs in top 10 concurrently next week. If they don’t adjust their formula, soon we will witness 9 songs from an artist in Top 10 thanks to the growth of streaming. I know it’s the way peiple consume music now but hot 100 will be boring soon. I doubt Billboard bases its chart formulas on how 'boring' things might look to a consumer. They're there first and foremost as an industry tool for labels to assess what or who is most popular at any given moment. With that said, I think what will eventually happen - when huge album drops become so commonplace that it's just not 'special' anymore to see someone chart four or more songs at once - is that BB will create an 'official singles only' rule to prevent album tracks from charting. That could be determined by whether a song has been serviced to radio, or some other method. Until that happens though don't be too upset about it. Ariana is one of the best-streaming pop acts right now - she might very well pull off the same thing when she releases her album too.
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Post by leonagwen on May 4, 2018 10:36:05 GMT -5
The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart.The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs.
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Post by Exclusive on May 4, 2018 11:11:50 GMT -5
I agree with you but it'll be hard to find a balance with sales dying. Only 2 songs are predicted to sell 30k this week.. They have to find a way. We are going to witness 4 posr malone songs and possibly 3 drake songs in top 10 concurrently next week. If they don’t adjust their formula, soon we will witness 9 songs from an artist in Top 10 thanks to the growth of streaming. I know it’s the way peiple consume music now but hot 100 will be boring soon. The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart.The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs. But at the same time it won't reflect what the masses are consuming. Times have changed and some of us are pressed. I'm pressed. But if my fave can't get thier streaming up, theres nothing I can do about it other than to stream, stream and get people to stream and hope for the best.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 11:20:54 GMT -5
When her album is released, I hope all her songs chart and I can see the same comments about it.
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Post by The Black Bird on May 4, 2018 11:42:51 GMT -5
The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart. The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs.That I can agree on. The HOT 100 should represent what the masses are consuming, but it also works as a measure for the music biz of which songs are hot at the moment. Album bombs do not represent that at all. Maybe in the future Billboard should come up with some kind of way to give more points to "singles". In the 90's only singles available commercially were permitted to chart on the Hot 100, maybe some kind of a barrier like that would work now.
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Post by Fat Ass Kelly Price on May 4, 2018 11:50:43 GMT -5
I still contend that most of you wouldn’t be complaining about album bombs and streaming if your favorite pop girls were excelling in that area.
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Post by Chris Ng on May 4, 2018 11:54:14 GMT -5
It would be crazy if Drake was the one to break Madonna’s Top 10 record and not Rihanna. means you don't care enough to read whole of my opinion towards this. In my very first post regarding to this topic, i also said i din't think this current formula reflects correctly the popularity either. Since artists like Post Malone or J.Cole just do good on one specific platform (most of their songs do and just one or two other songs do relatively well on other platforms like radio or sales). In other words, it is just popular among demographics who consumes music via streaming. I know people will come up with something like "streaming is the way people consume music currently" but still, i don't think majority of people knows about the exist of their songs (Except for real hits) besides thousand teens played them repeatedly on Spotify. How could they be one of the ten most popular songs in America? Compared to a songs listened by millions of people on radio over the week? And the song that people care enough to buy it? I'm not against streaming at all but i still think BB should lower the weight of it on their formula to balance their charts
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Post by Chris Ng on May 4, 2018 11:58:08 GMT -5
They have to find a way. We are going to witness 4 posr malone songs and possibly 3 drake songs in top 10 concurrently next week. If they don’t adjust their formula, soon we will witness 9 songs from an artist in Top 10 thanks to the growth of streaming. I know it’s the way peiple consume music now but hot 100 will be boring soon. I doubt Billboard bases its chart formulas on how 'boring' things might look to a consumer. They're there first and foremost as an industry tool for labels to assess what or who is most popular at any given moment. With that said, I think what will eventually happen - when huge album drops become so commonplace that it's just not 'special' anymore to see someone chart four or more songs at once - is that BB will create an 'official singles only' rule to prevent album tracks from charting. That could be determined by whether a song has been serviced to radio, or some other method. Until that happens though don't be too upset about it. Ariana is one of the best-streaming pop acts right now - she might very well pull off the same thing when she releases her album too. 'official singles only" will bring us back to the 90s right? When Torn should've been #1 instead of #52 on Hot 100. I'm sure they will have to find a way sooner of later.
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Post by Envoirment on May 4, 2018 11:59:43 GMT -5
Love this. The video is interesting/beautifully done and the song wasn't what I was expecting. The mesh of different sounds works really well. It has a nostalgic feel to it but with a modern twist to it.
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Post by mediabase on May 4, 2018 12:06:17 GMT -5
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Post by The Black Bird on May 4, 2018 12:38:28 GMT -5
I doubt Billboard bases its chart formulas on how 'boring' things might look to a consumer. They're there first and foremost as an industry tool for labels to assess what or who is most popular at any given moment. With that said, I think what will eventually happen - when huge album drops become so commonplace that it's just not 'special' anymore to see someone chart four or more songs at once - is that BB will create an 'official singles only' rule to prevent album tracks from charting. That could be determined by whether a song has been serviced to radio, or some other method. Until that happens though don't be too upset about it. Ariana is one of the best-streaming pop acts right now - she might very well pull off the same thing when she releases her album too. 'official singles only" will bring us back to the 90s right? When Torn should've been #1 instead of #52 on Hot 100. I'm sure they will have to find a way sooner of later. To be honest that was a choice done by her label. They refused to release the single physcally so they could boost her album sales. It's a different story now.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 14:36:21 GMT -5
My prior post was probably too long which is turnoff for many, but it spoke of this transition we're in and it's effect on the Hot 100.
It's not that different from when physical singles were being replaced by digital. There's always some messy lopsidedness that happens during transitions.
Streaming will take over, imo, and none of this will be an issue (aka it will be the norm). Days of neat and tidy chart runs for singles are over. Peaks aren't as symbolic of a song's long-term success as they used to be. It's all about one week - it always has been - it's just very obvious now.
And again - important - it's called the HOT 100 SONGS now for a reason, it's not just for singles as it used to be when it was called HOT 100 SINGLES. Maybe they can have two charts like they do for albums, but I really doubt HOT 100 SONGS is going away.
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Post by Mayman on May 4, 2018 15:48:29 GMT -5
It would be crazy if Drake was the one to break Madonna’s Top 10 record and not Rihanna. What record is this?
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Post by Mayman on May 4, 2018 15:50:33 GMT -5
It would be crazy if Drake was the one to break Madonna’s Top 10 record and not Rihanna. means you don't care enough to read whole of my opinion towards this. In my very first post regarding to this topic, i also said i din't think this current formula reflects correctly the popularity either. Since artists like Post Malone or J.Cole just do good on one specific platform (most of their songs do and just one or two other songs do relatively well on other platforms like radio or sales). In other words, it is just popular among demographics who consumes music via streaming. I know people will come up with something like "streaming is the way people consume music currently" but still, i don't think majority of people knows about the exist of their songs (Except for real hits) besides thousand teens played them repeatedly on Spotify. How could they be one of the ten most popular songs in America? Compared to a songs listened by millions of people on radio over the week? And the song that people care enough to buy it? I'm not against streaming at all but i still think BB should lower the weight of it on their formula to balance their charts But Post Malone had 10+ songs throughout the top 40 the whole week. His songs are selling and streaming. Like someone else said, eventually most of the people who still buy music will switch to streaming making these album bombs less impactful.
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Post by leonagwen on May 4, 2018 15:59:25 GMT -5
It would be crazy if Drake was the one to break Madonna’s Top 10 record and not Rihanna. What record is this? I think he's saying that Madonna has the most top 10 hits and he would go crazy if Drake beats the record.
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Post by Mayman on May 4, 2018 16:00:30 GMT -5
I think he's saying that Madonna has the most top 10 hits and he would go crazy if Drake beats the record. Oh, I should have read that better lol.
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Post by ampersand on May 4, 2018 16:24:27 GMT -5
They should honestly do a limited run of the video at IMAX theatres in NY and/or LA so it can qualify for Best Live Action Short Film at the Oscars.
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Post by Lumi on May 5, 2018 0:15:36 GMT -5
I really hope her Fallon performance pushed this enough to remain in the top 10...
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Post by Az Paynter on May 5, 2018 5:18:32 GMT -5
POP: 22 16 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 6632 4023 2609 40.515
+196 Spins +889 Bullet +1.011 Audience
HOT AC: 31 22 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1081 496 585 4.631
+75 Spins +33 Bullet +0.380 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 39 27 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1066 564 502 3.339
+48 Spins +46 Bullet +0.142 Audience
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Post by Dylan :) on May 5, 2018 5:38:15 GMT -5
Down to #2 in Ireland :)
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 9:49:45 GMT -5
Predicted to fall to #7 on Hot 100, which is not that bad.
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Post by wjr15 on May 5, 2018 12:44:34 GMT -5
#7 is really good since it was first predicted that she might fall out of the Top 10.
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Post by Juanca on May 5, 2018 13:09:04 GMT -5
That’s why I take early predictions with a grain of salt. Everyone is so into knowing everything immediately... just let stuff happen for a bit
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Post by Au$tin on May 5, 2018 13:22:05 GMT -5
The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart.The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs. Biggest airplay gainer is fine, but it's going to fall in both sales and streaming. I don't think you grasp just how low sales are these days. Yes, she climbed back to #1 on iTunes, but it's still going to be a massive percentage drop from her debut week in sales. Literally the only thing that will increase next week is her airplay. And as I have previously stated in the Hot 100 thread, the "singles only" thing is a terrible idea that would be just too complex to actually work like you want it to. For example, what do you classify "Better Now," "I Like It," or "Paranoid" right now? All three have yet to get a substantial push to radio, but they're ALL in Today's Top Hits and being promoted by their label. Not to mention, if it was a "singles only" chart, this still would have only been #3 last week and still would be predicted to fall to #7 this week.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 20:01:58 GMT -5
I just heard this remix that gives the song a Timbaland like spin using Morning AFter Dark It's pretty good imo
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Post by Joaquín on May 5, 2018 21:02:54 GMT -5
ugh this is still so good
I honestly feel so emotionally attached to this
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Post by Au$tin on May 6, 2018 0:04:15 GMT -5
US Spotify Date - Day Streams (% Change from Previous Day) {# Change from Previous Day} [Total Streams Lifetime] /7-Day Rolling Total/ #DailyRank{Previous Data}04/20/18 - 1,783,330 (NEW) {+1,783,330} [1,783,330] /1,783,330/ #15 - 42.1% of #1 04/21/18 - 1,531,070 (-14.1%) {-252,260} [3,314,400] /3,314,400/ #11 - 60.3% of #1 04/22/18 - 1,382,041 (-9.7%) {-149,029} [4,696,441] /4,696,441/ #09 - 61.9% of #1 04/23/18 - 1,620,939 (+17.3%) {+238,898} [6,317,380] /6,317,380/ #08 - 65.0% of #1 04/24/18 - 1,616,274 (-0.3%) {-4,665} [7,933,654] /7,933,654/ #06 - 63.5% of #1 04/25/18 - 1,415,896 (-12.4%) {-200,378} [9,349,550] /9,349,550/ #07 - 59.8% of #1 04/26/18 - 1,302,872 (-8.0%) {-113,024} [10,652,422] /10,652,422/ #08 - 55.4% of #1
04/27/18 - 1,228,156 (-5.7%) {-74,716} [11,880,578] /10,097,248/ #25 - 33.2% of #1 04/28/18 - 1,134,912 (-7.6%) {-93,244} [13,015,490] /9,701,090/ #24 - 37.5% of #1 04/29/18 - 999,237 (-12.0%) {-135,675} [14,014,727] /9,318,286/ #23 - 38.0% of #1 04/30/18 - 1,059,171 (+6.0%) {+59,934} [15,073,898] /8,756,518/ #23 - 33.4% of #1 05/01/18 - 1,051,062 (-0.8%) {-8,109} [16,124,960] /8,191,306/ #23 - 34.6% of #1 05/02/18 - 1,070,211 (+1.8%) {+19,149} [17,195,171] /8,210,455/ #22 - 38.3% of #1 05/03/18 - 1,030,358 (-3.7%) {-39,853} [18,225,529] /7,937,941/ #22 - 39.8% of #1 05/04/18 - 1,058,412 (+2.7%) {+28,054} [19,283,941] /7,768,197/ #21 - 45.1% of #1
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Post by Au$tin on May 6, 2018 0:05:31 GMT -5
US Spotify Date - Day Streams (% Change from Previous Day) {# Change from Previous Day} [Total Streams Lifetime] /7-Day Rolling Total/ #DailyRank04/20/18 - 1,783,330 (NEW) {+1,783,330} [1,783,330] /1,783,330/ #15 - 42.1% of #1 04/21/18 - 1,531,070 (-14.1%) {-252,260} [3,314,400] /3,314,400/ #11 - 60.3% of #1 04/22/18 - 1,382,041 (-9.7%) {-149,029} [4,696,441] /4,696,441/ #09 - 61.9% of #1 04/23/18 - 1,620,939 (+17.3%) {+238,898} [6,317,380] /6,317,380/ #08 - 65.0% of #1 04/24/18 - 1,616,274 (-0.3%) {-4,665} [7,933,654] /7,933,654/ #06 - 63.5% of #1 04/25/18 - 1,415,896 (-12.4%) {-200,378} [9,349,550] /9,349,550/ #07 - 59.8% of #1 04/26/18 - 1,302,872 (-8.0%) {-113,024} [10,652,422] /10,652,422/ #08 - 55.4% of #1
04/27/18 - 1,228,156 (-5.7%) {-74,716} [11,880,578] /10,097,248/ #25 - 33.2% of #1 04/28/18 - 1,134,912 (-7.6%) {-93,244} [13,015,490] /9,701,090/ #24 - 37.5% of #1 04/29/18 - 999,237 (-12.0%) {-135,675} [14,014,727] /9,318,286/ #23 - 38.0% of #1 04/30/18 - 1,059,171 (+6.0%) {+59,934} [15,073,898] /8,756,518/ #23 - 33.4% of #1 05/01/18 - 1,051,062 (-0.8%) {-8,109} [16,124,960] /8,191,306/ #23 - 34.6% of #1 05/02/18 - 1,070,211 (+1.8%) {+19,149} [17,195,171] /8,210,455/ #22 - 38.3% of #1 05/03/18 - 1,030,358 (-3.7%) {-39,853} [18,225,529] /7,937,941/ #22 - 39.8% of #1 05/04/18 - 1,058,412 (+2.7%) {+28,054} [19,283,941] /7,768,197/ #21 - 45.1% of #1
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