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Post by Glove Slap on May 6, 2018 0:18:12 GMT -5
I still contend that most of you wouldn’t be complaining about album bombs and streaming if your favorite pop girls were excelling in that area. ☕️ This. People tried to disguise their bias against hip-hop the last time it had a strong chart presence (right down to when the sales weight was reduced in '07 as they were taking off) by saying that sales represented customer demand better and should be weighed more. Now, streaming does that better than anything else, and they're mad .
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Post by trustypepper on May 6, 2018 0:32:30 GMT -5
This has finally clicked with me. I was very underwhelmed at first but now I’m ready to put this in songs of the year discussion.
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Post by Snowbeast on May 6, 2018 2:13:54 GMT -5
The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart.The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs. Biggest airplay gainer is fine, but it's going to fall in both sales and streaming. I don't think you grasp just how low sales are these days. Yes, she climbed back to #1 on iTunes, but it's still going to be a massive percentage drop from her debut week in sales. Literally the only thing that will increase next week is her airplay. And as I have previously stated in the Hot 100 thread, the "singles only" thing is a terrible idea that would be just too complex to actually work like you want it to. For example, what do you classify "Better Now," "I Like It," or "Paranoid" right now? All three have yet to get a substantial push to radio, but they're ALL in Today's Top Hits and being promoted by their label. Not to mention, if it was a "singles only" chart, this still would have only been #3 last week and still would be predicted to fall to #7 this week. It would be beyond a terrible idea and make it extremely hard for new artists to get a Hot100 hit. Streaming is how the overwhelming majority of people listen to music today. It was different in the past where big labels would send songs to radio (making them official singles) and radio/advertising would dictate which songs became “hits”. We live in the era of the AUX cord and Spotify, and the Hot 100 reflects what songs are actually being listened to the most/ are the most truly most popular songs across the country. Wasn’t that kind of the point of having The Hot 100 to begin with?
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Post by kanfad on May 6, 2018 2:34:23 GMT -5
I still contend that most of you wouldn’t be complaining about album bombs and streaming if your favorite pop girls were excelling in that area. ☕️ This. People tried to disguise their bias against hip-hop the last time it had a strong chart presence (right down to when the sales weight was reduced in '07 as they were taking off) by saying that sales represented customer demand better and should be weighed more. Now, streaming does that better than anything else, and they're mad . Glove slap living up to his signature. I love it
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Post by Az Paynter on May 6, 2018 5:21:40 GMT -5
POP: 20 15 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 6895 4448 2447 41.751
+263 Spins -162 Bullet +1.236 Audience
HOT AC: 29 22 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1155 591 564 5.096
+74 Spins -21 Bullet +0.465 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 35 27 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1112 644 468 3.470
+46 Spins -34 Bullet +0.131 Audience
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Post by Lumi on May 6, 2018 13:15:41 GMT -5
Ooh, at least it's staying in the Top 10. Her performance on Fallon must've pushed it?
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Post by Mayman on May 6, 2018 14:03:29 GMT -5
Ooh, at least it's staying in the Top 10. Her performance on Fallon must've pushed it? Yeah, I'm surprised more artists aren't trying to "cohost" the show like Cardi and Ariana. It seems like it has a huge effect on sales. Remember when Cardi was expected like 50k sales, but after Fallon it was 90-100k? That's huge!
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Post by ilikemusic on May 6, 2018 17:11:30 GMT -5
The situation going on with this song is showing the flawed Billboard chart system.This song is doing about as good as it can do. Biggest airplay gainer and #1 on itunes but yet its predicted to fall out of the Billboard top 10 on the next chart.The Billboard rule should be that an artist should only be able to chart the song that is released as a single,not multiple songs. Biggest airplay gainer is fine, but it's going to fall in both sales and streaming. I don't think you grasp just how low sales are these days. Yes, she climbed back to #1 on iTunes, but it's still going to be a massive percentage drop from her debut week in sales. Literally the only thing that will increase next week is her airplay. And as I have previously stated in the Hot 100 thread, the "singles only" thing is a terrible idea that would be just too complex to actually work like you want it to. For example, what do you classify "Better Now," "I Like It," or "Paranoid" right now? All three have yet to get a substantial push to radio, but they're ALL in Today's Top Hits and being promoted by their label. Not to mention, if it was a "singles only" chart, this still would have only been #3 last week and still would be predicted to fall to #7 this week. It would be a 1990’s mess like when Torn, Iris, and Don’t Speak didn’t chart at all despite being huge hits if they implemented the “official singles only” rule. Billboard is supposed to be a popularity chart and nowadays it’s easy for “non singles” to still be extremely popular. It wouldn’t be accurate if they integrated that dated rule
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Post by Chris Ng on May 6, 2018 22:41:37 GMT -5
means you don't care enough to read whole of my opinion towards this. In my very first post regarding to this topic, i also said i din't think this current formula reflects correctly the popularity either. Since artists like Post Malone or J.Cole just do good on one specific platform (most of their songs do and just one or two other songs do relatively well on other platforms like radio or sales). In other words, it is just popular among demographics who consumes music via streaming. I know people will come up with something like "streaming is the way people consume music currently" but still, i don't think majority of people knows about the exist of their songs (Except for real hits) besides thousand teens played them repeatedly on Spotify. How could they be one of the ten most popular songs in America? Compared to a songs listened by millions of people on radio over the week? And the song that people care enough to buy it? I'm not against streaming at all but i still think BB should lower the weight of it on their formula to balance their charts But Post Malone had 10+ songs throughout the top 40 the whole week. His songs are selling and streaming. Like someone else said, eventually most of the people who still buy music will switch to streaming making these album bombs less impactful. Well, if we buy a song on itunes and then stream it repeatedly, will those streams count or they only count it as one sale? You know, even during the peak of digital era, Billboard charts (or all charts in general since UK chart is even worst) doesn't look like a mess like that.
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Post by dwhite725 on May 7, 2018 1:06:24 GMT -5
Ooh, at least it's staying in the Top 10. Her performance on Fallon must've pushed it? Yeah, I'm surprised more artists aren't trying to "cohost" the show like Cardi and Ariana. It seems like it has a huge effect on sales. Remember when Cardi was expected like 50k sales, but after Fallon it was 90-100k? That's huge! I'd agree with you but I feel like Fallon hand picks these cohosts. It's been Miley, Cardi and Ariana. He's done a LOT of skits with Miley and Ariana over the years, so that was pretty natural IMO. Cardi was surprising but her sit down with him was hilarious and she also just came off SNL where she confirmed her pregnancy. Lorne who produces both shows probably saw a major coup. I'm sure there were other behind the scenes stuff, but I think it's more in the interest of what Lorne and Jimmy want. I can't think of any other cohosts Jimmy has had. hasn't Miley done it twice now?
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Post by Chris Ng on May 7, 2018 2:31:10 GMT -5
Ooh, at least it's staying in the Top 10. Her performance on Fallon must've pushed it? Yeah, I'm surprised more artists aren't trying to "cohost" the show like Cardi and Ariana. It seems like it has a huge effect on sales. Remember when Cardi was expected like 50k sales, but after Fallon it was 90-100k? That's huge! Not all artists have huge push there i guess. Or in general, not all promo will work
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Post by Az Paynter on May 7, 2018 5:04:14 GMT -5
POP: 19 14 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 7030 5059 1971 42.563
+135 Spins -476 Bullet +0.812 Audience
HOT AC: 27 22 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1185 714 471 5.287
+30 Spins -93 Bullet +0.191 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 31 27 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1147 740 407 3.540
+35 Spins -61 Bullet +0.070 Audience
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Post by Normi on May 7, 2018 5:10:16 GMT -5
Still going strong
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Post by g8erboi on May 7, 2018 8:45:56 GMT -5
How in the hell is Psycho getting better updates on Pop than this?
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Post by leonagwen on May 7, 2018 13:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 13:23:54 GMT -5
Drops to #10 on Hot 100.
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Post by Lumi on May 7, 2018 15:28:13 GMT -5
God Is A Woman isn't next though. "The Light is Coming" is.
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Post by Normi on May 7, 2018 15:29:52 GMT -5
Stop talking shit y'all How do you know either God Is A Woman or The Light is Coming is next or coming soon ? Be happy we were blessed with this - APPRECIATION!
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Post by GOD'S PLAN on May 7, 2018 17:49:23 GMT -5
How in the hell is Psycho getting better updates on Pop than this? the much better song won
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Post by deepston on May 7, 2018 17:56:34 GMT -5
How in the hell is Psycho getting better updates on Pop than this? the much better song won Leave.
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Post by Relaxing Cup on May 7, 2018 18:05:16 GMT -5
this unfortunately has burned out on me surprisingly quick. It's on a playlist I use a lot and I have been skipping it for the past week : /
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Post by Chris Ng on May 7, 2018 21:42:12 GMT -5
Good second week considering it's still in Top 10. And look likes it will be stable this week since it is stable on itunes and streaming?
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Post by Az Paynter on May 8, 2018 5:17:00 GMT -5
POP: 18 14 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 7233 5460 1773 43.654
+203 Spins -198 Bullet +1.091 Audience
HOT AC: 26 22 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1257 806 451 5.603
+72 Spins -20 Bullet +0.316 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 29 27 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1177 840 337 3.648
+30 Spins -70 Bullet +0.108 Audience
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Post by Lumi on May 8, 2018 18:26:35 GMT -5
Stop talking s**t y'all How do you know either God Is A Woman or The Light is Coming is next or coming soon ? Be happy we were blessed with this - APPRECIATION! she literally confirmed it on twitter lol But yeah, I'm still enjoying No Tears Left To Cry. The more I listen the more im just like "ok time to dance around like a fool"
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Post by Exclusive on May 8, 2018 19:19:47 GMT -5
I just can't these titles, I'm getting a Taylor Swift "Don't Blame Me" teas. but based on that album title I expect something from more pop like her debut with a mix of her sophomore.
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Post by Normi on May 8, 2018 23:23:38 GMT -5
What did she confirm lol Just a song title that's all, she posted REM too, ariana is a huge troll and just bored and I'm living
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Post by hitmakaontharise on May 9, 2018 0:26:44 GMT -5
this climbed so quick
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Post by Az Paynter on May 9, 2018 5:24:32 GMT -5
POP: 17 13 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 7455 5870 1585 44.769
+222 Spins -188 Bullet +1.115 Audience
HOT AC: 23 21 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1307 889 418 5.886
+50 Spins -33 Bullet +0.283 Audience
RHYTHMIC: 28 27 ARIANA GRANDE No Tears Left To Cry 1197 936 261 3.719
+20 Spins -76 Bullet +0.071 Audience
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Post by Normi on May 9, 2018 15:01:41 GMT -5
Everytime I feel this burn on me just a little I re-watch the video Oh god I'm so obsessed with her
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 16:01:00 GMT -5
Next.
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