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Post by jhomes87 on Jul 17, 2018 15:24:12 GMT -5
This one's definitely in trouble. I'm sure it'll hang around for a while yet, mainly because there's a lot at stake here (it's the lead single, and also her first single for Capitol), but I definitely foresee this one laboring through the top 10. She's going to have to slot in line behind Aldean, Rhett, and FGL, and there's a chance that Luke Bryan could eventually catch her too. Literally everything else in the airplay top 15 is out-selling "Cry Pretty" aside from the ancient, non-event songs from Dylan Scott and Lady A. Even Chris Janson's "Drunk Girl" is out-selling this one.
They're too far into this chart run to just give up now, but it definitely appears that this wasn't a very good choice for a radio single.
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Post by classiccountryfan on Jul 17, 2018 17:49:04 GMT -5
If her Top 3 streak is about to become a top 5 or top 10 streak it’s still very impressive, especially since she’s a she.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Jul 17, 2018 19:02:57 GMT -5
I’m glad it’s a song like this that’s struggling, it goes against radio norms so a top 10/5 finish is still very impressive. We’ve been given some of Carrie’s best vocal performances EVER because of this song, #1 on radio would be nice, but Country radio is a joke these days... so, honestly, whatever...
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Post by 14887fan on Jul 17, 2018 19:27:32 GMT -5
Damn. That's a bummer, and kind of ironic given that this could end up simultaneously being her "weakest" (lol) chart performance for a single to date, but still managed to occupy #1 on iTunes all-genre for over a week in the US, hit #1 on iTunes all-genre in 11? 12? other countries, and became her first song to hit #1 on the US Digital Sales chart.
Maybe on her next radio tour, she'll take along with her the Country Solo Vocal GRAMMY that she wins for this.
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Post by matty005 on Jul 17, 2018 19:27:32 GMT -5
I’m glad it’s a song like this that’s struggling, it goes against radio norms so a top 10/5 finish is still very impressive. We’ve been given some of Carrie’s best vocal performances EVER because of this song, #1 on radio would be nice, but Country radio is a joke these days... so, honestly, whatever... Radio has been a joke for a while and that has never hindered Carrie from hit after hit (or from people celebrating/obsessing over her top 2 streak). I don't think radio being a joke (which I agree it is) has anything to do with this song struggling. When her second single races to #1, radio will still be a joke.... |
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Post by misterscribbs on Jul 17, 2018 20:34:18 GMT -5
I truly love this song. It’s beautiful and strong and encompasses Carries talents brilliantly. From the first listen, however, I did not think this would top the airplay charts. It seems to be more of a song that your girls and gays scream in the car when you’re having a bad day rather than something to listen to on your morning commute to work. That said it’s still had an impressive run, and I think it worked as a great lead to Carrie’s return, especially after her accident that the media swarmed over. I would love for this to hit #1, but if it doesn’t, there’s always the next one.
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Post by lady𝓐fan on Jul 17, 2018 20:49:51 GMT -5
I truly love this song. It’s beautiful and strong and encompasses Carries talents brilliantly. From the first listen, however, I did not think this would top the airplay charts. It seems to be more of a song that your girls and gays scream in the car when you’re having a bad day rather than something to listen to on your morning commute to work. That said it’s still had an impressive run, and I think it worked as a great lead to Carrie’s return, especially after her accident that the media swarmed over. I would love for this to hit #1, but if it doesn’t, there’s always the next one. :| Anyways, I still think this can achieve a solid #3 peak, keeping her streak (not top 2, SITW) alive. |
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Post by Typo on Jul 17, 2018 21:13:58 GMT -5
I actually agree. I think the lyric is probably deemed 'too feminine' for most country listeners. Plus, the back half of the song is polarizing as hell.
At the Official Fan Club Party back in June, Carrie mentioned that this song wasn't made for radio. They attempted to shorten the length, but in the she made the choices that she felt best served the song.
I'm not sure if anything on Cry Pretty will be an instant smash. It doesn't seem like this album was tailored for radio like her past albums.
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Post by nick64 on Jul 17, 2018 22:03:29 GMT -5
There’s actually some merit to the too feminine argument. Looking back at all the songs with a female vocalist to hit the Top 5 this decade (a way too short list), not a single one speaks directly to another female the way this one does. It could be a turn off to male listeners. And the only other notable single with this use of “pretty” in the title was “Only Prettier”, the only song on its album to underperform. Not saying it’s justified, but it’s definitely a possible explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 6:32:50 GMT -5
I’m glad it’s a song like this that’s struggling, it goes against radio norms so a top 10/5 finish is still very impressive. We’ve been given some of Carrie’s best vocal performances EVER because of this song, #1 on radio would be nice, but Country radio is a joke these days... so, honestly, whatever... Radio has been a joke for a while and that has never hindered Carrie from hit after hit (or from people celebrating/obsessing over her top 2 streak). I don't think radio being a joke (which I agree it is) has anything to do with this song struggling. When her second single races to #1, radio will still be a joke.... I feel like it just highlights more of how radio is a joke, when a great song like this, which is far superior to 95% of what's out there, struggles. When she hits #1 again, radio will definitely still be a joke. Just when great, super deserving songs can't make it, it shines a light on what we already know. |
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Post by raylatch98 on Jul 18, 2018 8:23:48 GMT -5
Radio has been a joke for a while and that has never hindered Carrie from hit after hit (or from people celebrating/obsessing over her top 2 streak). I don't think radio being a joke (which I agree it is) has anything to do with this song struggling. When her second single races to #1, radio will still be a joke.... I feel like it just highlights more of how radio is a joke, when a great song like this, which is far superior to 95% of what's out there, struggles. When she hits #1 again, radio will definitely still be a joke. Just when great, super deserving songs can't make it, it shines a light on what we already know. In defense of radio. It makes sense why radio is low to convert, since this song is selling rather low end out of all the songs in the Top 15, and the testing isn't the best. If I am a radio programmer and I have this song which is selling subpar and testing low, then you look at the latest singles from Thomas Rhett and Florida Georgia Line which both are selling and testing better and I imagine have more passion in general. Of course I am going to convert and play the Thomas Rhett and FGL songs over the Carrie Underwood song. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 18, 2018 8:36:25 GMT -5
This one's definitely in trouble. I'm sure it'll hang around for a while yet, mainly because there's a lot at stake here (it's the lead single, and also her first single for Capitol), but I definitely foresee this one laboring through the top 10. She's going to have to slot in line behind Aldean, Rhett, and FGL, and there's a chance that Luke Bryan could eventually catch her too. Literally everything else in the airplay top 15 is out-selling "Cry Pretty" aside from the ancient, non-event songs from Dylan Scott and Lady A. Even Chris Janson's "Drunk Girl" is out-selling this one. They're too far into this chart run to just give up now, but it definitely appears that this wasn't a very good choice for a radio single. Sales don’t mean much of anything anymore, though. How is it’s streaming compared to the rest of the top 15? |
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Post by jhomes87 on Jul 18, 2018 9:14:36 GMT -5
This one's definitely in trouble. I'm sure it'll hang around for a while yet, mainly because there's a lot at stake here (it's the lead single, and also her first single for Capitol), but I definitely foresee this one laboring through the top 10. She's going to have to slot in line behind Aldean, Rhett, and FGL, and there's a chance that Luke Bryan could eventually catch her too. Literally everything else in the airplay top 15 is out-selling "Cry Pretty" aside from the ancient, non-event songs from Dylan Scott and Lady A. Even Chris Janson's "Drunk Girl" is out-selling this one. They're too far into this chart run to just give up now, but it definitely appears that this wasn't a very good choice for a radio single. Sales don’t mean much of anything anymore, though. How is it’s streaming compared to the rest of the top 15? Sales are down, but I think they still mean something. And my point was to compare this one to the other songs in the airplay top 15. They're all doing better on iTunes, and a few less popular artists (Old Dominion, Chris Lane, Chris Janson) are selling substantially better than "Cry Pretty" is. As of this morning, Old Dominion's "Hotel Key" is at #69 on iTunes (with less airplay than "Cry Pretty"), Luke Bryan's "Sunrise, Sunburn, Sunset" (not a lead single) is at #46, FGL's "Simple" is at #8, Thomas Rhett's "Life Changes" is at #40, Jason Aldean's "Drowns The Whiskey" is at #18, Chris Lane's "Take Back Home Girl" is at #62, etc. So yes, digital sales might not be what they once were, but that's not the point. The point is that, comparatively speaking, Carrie is selling considerably less than many other artists, most of whom we would normally expect her to be outselling. As far as streaming goes, I'm not sure where "Cry Pretty" ranks on Spotify or anything like that, but I do know that it's not among the top 25 streaming songs in country. The Country Streaming Songs chart is always a bit odd (for example, Chris Stapleton's "Tennessee Whiskey" is still at #7 on Billboard's Country Streaming Songs chart, which is just crazy), but it does show that a lot of current and recent hits are streaming way better than "Cry Pretty" is. Dan + Shay's "Tequila" is sitting strong at #2 in streaming, Kane Brown's "Heaven" is at #3, FGL's "Simple" is #4, Aldean's recent hit "You Make It Easy" is still at #5, Brett Young's "Mercy" is at #6, Sam Hunt's "Body Like A Back Road" is still at #8, Kane Brown's "What Ifs" is #9, Morgan Wallen and FGL's duet "Up Down" is at #10, Chesney's "Get Along" is at #11, and Luke Combs' "Beautiful Crazy" -- an album track/non-single that's several weeks old and isn't receiving any sort of solicited airplay -- is at #12. You also have Brett Young's "In Case You Didn't Know" (which wasn't even his last single before "Mercy", but was the single before his last single) at #14, Thomas Rhett's "Marry Me" at #15, and Thomas Rhett's "Die A Happy Man" (which was a hit a couple years ago already) at #17. Kane Brown's new single "Lose It" is already at #19 in streaming, and it's not even top 30 in airplay yet. The bottom portion of the published 25-position Billboard Country Streaming Songs chart has Dustin Lynch's "Small Town Boy" at #20, Aldean's "Drowns The Whiskey" at #21, FGL's "H.O.L.Y." at #22 (this hit has been on the country streaming chart for 64 weeks), Jake Owen's "I Was Jack (You Were Diane)" at #23 (it debuted there this week), Keith Urban's "Blue Ain't Your Color" at #24, and Thomas Rhett's "Life Changes" at #25. There aren't any songs by female artists in the top 25, with the only exception being Bebe Rexha and FGL's "Meant To Be", which remains #1 in country streaming. The only other females in the top 25 in country streaming are Lauren Alaina and Miranda Lambert, both in minimal featured roles (Lauren on Kane Brown's "What Ifs", and Miranda on Aldean's new single). Judging by where "Cry Pretty" is at on Hot Country Songs (#18), we can conclude that its sales and streaming numbers are actually even less impressive than its airplay numbers. This definitely looks to be Carrie's weakest hit to date in all aspects (airplay, sales, streaming), which is a shame because I definitely think this is better than "Mama's Song". "Cry Pretty" isn't among my favorite Carrie singles, but I do like it well enough. That said, I never thought it sounded like the best choice for radio, and it'll be interesting to see what the rest of the album sounds like. I respect artists who don't always cater to radio, but if I were Carrie (meaning, if I were one of the very few country female artists who've been super successful over the last 10+ years), I wouldn't stray too far from the type of music that radio is likely to play. I'd save that for later in my career after my hit-making days were starting to come to an end. |
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Post by carriefan15 on Jul 18, 2018 10:52:21 GMT -5
^ Atleast Carrie can say CP was #1 on the all-genre iTunes chart for multiple days 🎉 I don’t think any of those songs above were even top 5?? Well, except Meant To Be
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Post by Fancy on Jul 18, 2018 11:04:45 GMT -5
^ Atleast Carrie can say CP was #1 on the all-genre iTunes chart for multiple days 🎉 I don’t think any of those songs above were even top 5?? Well, except Meant To Be more of those songs made the iTunes top 5 than not. and the ones that didn’t generally sold well very consistently. the only outlier in that list is probably jake owen who’s had pretty unremarkable sales. |
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Post by matty005 on Jul 18, 2018 11:22:06 GMT -5
^ Atleast Carrie can say CP was #1 on the all-genre iTunes chart for multiple days 🎉 I don’t think any of those songs above were even top 5?? Well, except Meant To Be I can’t imagine a time when Carrie would ever say that. |
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Post by someguy on Jul 19, 2018 9:36:28 GMT -5
I'm thinking that this one is about done. It might hang on for a bit, but without some major backdoor deals, I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't return to the top 10.
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Post by g8erboi on Jul 19, 2018 9:57:30 GMT -5
It does look like the label dropped promo for this... I hope the second single is an uptempo smash and gets released ASAP with a Clear Channel deal.
Honestly, they might as well rebrand the whole era (rename the album, get new cover art, etc.)
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Post by raylatch98 on Jul 19, 2018 10:02:11 GMT -5
It feels so weird having a pure Carrie Underwood song peak below the Top 5 possibly.
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Post by ClevelandRox on Jul 19, 2018 12:01:42 GMT -5
First Sam Hunt and now Carrie, what is going on? I guess she's not getting anymore free passes.
Is this her first song to not reach atleast #2? Insane that it's a first single too.
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Post by .indulgecountry on Jul 19, 2018 12:13:12 GMT -5
First Sam Hunt and now Carrie, what is going on? I guess she's not getting anymore free passes.
Is this her first song to not reach atleast #2? Insane that it's a first single too. "Something in the Water" peaked at #3 on BB Country Airplay, but yes, this will be her lowest charting effort at country radio to date if it is indeed done. |
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Post by Naos on Jul 19, 2018 12:59:45 GMT -5
Well Thomas just passed her up. Surprising as its his fourth single. I'm sad this is done that quick.
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Post by Troublemaker on Jul 19, 2018 13:45:48 GMT -5
Considering the single wasn’t made with radio in mind, I’m happy it actually did well (top 10) but slightly disappointed that she couldn’t keep her top 3 streak. I want to believe her label might keep pushing for at least a top 5 finish assuming sales improves (discount?)
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Post by jd627 on Jul 19, 2018 21:01:04 GMT -5
The song is not good, its unlistenable. I dont understand the confusion here. Im a huge Carrie fan, and it’s just not a good track. I agree she gives us good vocals, but she’s over singing it, and I dont think anoyone is interested in what crying pretty is.
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Jul 19, 2018 23:09:27 GMT -5
As a die-hard Carrie fan, this is easily my least favorite single of hers to date (yes, I do remember "Mama's Song" was a single). I am really hoping the album has a lot more to offer than this, because I was sick of this after just a few listens and other than her killer vocal performance, it has very little to offer, imo. This one either needs to rush up and peak or just let it go now and release the second single to bring more hype to this album because even I am having trouble getting excited about it with this being the only indication of what it will be like. Just kidding, I'm still super excited but not as much as I should be.
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Post by austin on Jul 20, 2018 9:33:16 GMT -5
This is the first Carrie album cycle that I forgot she is even coming out with an album 60 days before release. This is a low impact single and in my opinion a complete non-event all things considered. It has literally generated NO buzz, other than a few "wow Carrie's face isn't as jacked up as I thought it would be and looks like her voice is strong as ever" articles in the press. The cover is Lisa Frank lite and this song is a bore. She needs to move on to a radio friendly song as the second single so people who are not her diehards have some excitement.
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Post by musicfix18 on Jul 20, 2018 13:00:44 GMT -5
Good grief. Plz DM me your addresses so I can send some of y'all of my xanax medication (usually reserved for whenever our "President" has a press conference...)
Disclaimer: I can totally understand why one might not like the song. This post isn't intended to address that. The song is def polarizing. But some people seem to not like the song BECAUSE its flopping. And I don't have time for that.
Not that I don't understand the frustration re: CP's lack of commercial success. We as Carrie fans are so accustomed to her songs excelling on the radio and performing strongly in other regards (except maybe streaming). This is undeniably her first radio "flop" should it peak in the lower half of the top 10. It's a strange feeling to see our Queen "flop." While as others have said ad nauseam, most artists would kill for a top 10 hit, Carrie isn't like most other artists. She is Carrie. Marie. Underwood. The artist who, for the past 13 years, was guaranteed a top 2 radio hit. Yada yada yada.
It's been a good 13 years. But maybe it's time we start caring more about other aspects of our Queen and less about her commercial viability?
Like every.other.artist., Carrie *might* have peaked in popularity on radio. She might not be guaranteed #1 hits, especially in this radio climate.
But you know what? This song has performed better in other aspects than any other Carrie song. Carrie has finally earned rave reviews for her songwriting. This is arguably her most critically acclaimed single to date. Her performances of this song have caused critics to declare her one of the best live performers, if not vocalists, in generations. TL;DR: she is finally getting that critical appreciation that has eluded her for most of her career.
If critical appreciation comes at the expense of commercial viability, I am HERE for it.
Let her album flop. No buzz? Who the f**k cares. If she delivers with an amazing album that causes more people to appreciate her than what she is typically appreciated for - her voice - I am all for it. I am ready to hear what Carrie has to say about things, and I am prepared for her to flop commercially if need be.
Long may she reign.
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Post by austin on Jul 20, 2018 13:03:12 GMT -5
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Post by matty005 on Jul 20, 2018 13:07:45 GMT -5
Let’s stop making this song a martyr. Carrie hasn’t been critically acclaimed? Wait what?!?! She has 7 Grammy’s and countless other awards. This song isn’t nearly as good (nor radio friendly) as her other material and I think that’s why it’s not performing as well.
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Post by musicfix18 on Jul 20, 2018 13:14:06 GMT -5
Let’s stop making this song a martyr. Carrie hasn’t been critically acclaimed? Wait what?!?! She has 7 Grammy’s and countless other awards. This song isn’t nearly as good (nor radio friendly) as her other material and I think that’s why it’s not performing as well. True and good point - I was vague/overbroad with that statement. She herself, and to a large extent her voice, is def critically acclaimed, but her songwriting skills have not been. She has not won a major songwriting award yet. And her albums have been paid dust since Some Hearts by critical organizations. This song, though, got very good reviews, in large part because of the songwriting team + vocal delivery. IDK, maybe I misperceived it, but the critical reaction to the song, and to the lyrics, composition, etc.... seemed much more positive than others by her. I'm hoping this album can get some noms and recognition that have eluded her other bodies of work. And if the album is as critically acclaimed as this song, I think it will. |
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