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Post by Gary on Apr 23, 2018 19:15:34 GMT -5
Death, always seems to help sales -LOL
Otherwise probably a recording with Drake
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Post by lazer on Apr 23, 2018 19:18:44 GMT -5
I guess Katy Perry has to return to her Teenage Dream roots and Lady Gaga has to be bizarre again |
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Post by Gary on Apr 23, 2018 19:20:04 GMT -5
Sometimes simply releasing the same old music does not help especially for artists who have already had their time at #1
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 23, 2018 19:20:54 GMT -5
^ Exactly, Katy needs to start making fun pop music again and Gaga needs to start being interesting again.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 23, 2018 19:21:52 GMT -5
Cardi B - 13 songs charting second week in a row Wow. That's insane. Link? Are their positions known? |
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Post by renfield75 on Apr 23, 2018 19:29:51 GMT -5
The even crazier part of this imo is that barely any of these artists are actually remembered outside of the chart watching community. Like sure, everyone knows who MC Hammer is, and there’s a few other names some people would recognize like Paula Abdul, New Kids on the Block, and Roxette, but aside from Rick Astley, who is really only popular because of memes...that’s about it. Crazy. You might have missed Bobby Brown on that list. That dude's pretty legendary. Still mentioned and name dropped on all sorts of songs. Milli Vanilli are pretty legendary too. For the wrong reasons of course. Milli Vanilli was mentioned on the new J. Cole album. I agree, Bobby Brown is definitely remembered. Much more so than Roxette. |
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Post by Gary on Apr 23, 2018 19:32:28 GMT -5
Cardi B - 13 songs charting second week in a row Wow. That's insane. Link? Are their positions known? Chartdata @ twitter |
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Post by lazer on Apr 23, 2018 19:41:35 GMT -5
I think one of the reasons why mega pop stars such as Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake, P!nk, Taylor Swift are not doing so well is because of their production choices. They don't sound interesting or good in their recent songs, they seem to lack proper consistency when it comes to production. The reason why Ariana Grande is doing so well right now is because the production sounds interesting and Ariana sounds like herself. We'll have to see how Rihanna does with her next single
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Post by jebsib on Apr 23, 2018 19:55:17 GMT -5
Well the pendulum is also swinging... Most of those artists are perceived as 10+ years in the game and belonging to a different sound era.
This has happened so much in the last 70 years.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 23, 2018 20:00:25 GMT -5
Katy sounds like herself. "Swish Swish" and "Bon Apetit" are "fun" songs. They just didn't resonate well with her intended audience. And on top of that, audience for Pop music seems to be shrinking at the moment.
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Post by lazer on Apr 23, 2018 20:05:43 GMT -5
Katy sounds like herself. "Swish Swish" and "Bon Apetit" are "fun" songs. They just didn't resonate well with her intended audience. And on top of that, audience for Pop music seems to be shrinking at the moment. Well, she can come back if she uses the right strategy. |
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Post by jebsib on Apr 23, 2018 20:11:10 GMT -5
I also think Top 40 radio - traditionally at the vanguard when Pop eras flourish - is recoiling a little.
They really are hanging on to the "Shape of You"s and "Havana"s a lot longer.
Per Sean Ross' recent podcast, Most CHRs are limited now to only 20 currents, meaning that anything below the top 25 at POP is not really 'getting out there' as a mass appeal force.
Cyclically pop should be strong again in about 4 years.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 23, 2018 20:27:17 GMT -5
I agree, Bobby Brown is definitely remembered. Much more so than Roxette. Unfortunately, he will be remembered more remembered by many for what he did outside of music, rather than his music. |
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 23, 2018 21:15:02 GMT -5
so nicki wasn't t10 streaming yet still managed t10 overall. now that's a twist.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 23, 2018 21:58:02 GMT -5
You might have missed Bobby Brown on that list. That dude's pretty legendary. Still mentioned and name dropped on all sorts of songs. Milli Vanilli are pretty legendary too. For the wrong reasons of course. Milli Vanilli was mentioned on the new J. Cole album. I agree, Bobby Brown is definitely remembered. Much more so than Roxette. Depends on who you ask. Roxette is definitely more remembered in these parts. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Apr 23, 2018 21:59:31 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to do a comparison of different years to see when the biggest shifts were. When I get some time (and remember to), I might make some venn diagrams comparing year-over-year artists to see at what point consecutive years have the least overlap.
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 23, 2018 22:02:58 GMT -5
^Yeah. But that song was #4 in Digital Song Sales, which explains how it managed to be top 10.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 23, 2018 22:03:23 GMT -5
It'd be interesting to do a comparison of different years to see when the biggest shifts were. When I get some time (and remember to), I might make some venn diagrams comparing year-over-year artists to see at what point consecutive years have the least overlap. I've also wondered about which years were occupied the most by "legendary" artists, and which years were occupied most by smaller artists. |
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Post by fhas on Apr 23, 2018 22:11:01 GMT -5
so nicki wasn't t10 streaming yet still managed t10 overall. now that's a twist. It's a very weak #10 with ~21,300 points. |
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Post by forg on Apr 23, 2018 22:43:15 GMT -5
Impressed with Perfect's longevity especially considering how ballads are not streaming power.
I wonder if Never Be The Same can hit the top 10 eventually
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Post by forg on Apr 23, 2018 23:08:05 GMT -5
As for the talk of the older pop artists not being that relevant anymore well it really is just a different era now. They had their time. I would argue that some of them tried to "update" their music but still didn't click because it just doesn't fit. I don't think it's really that bad if some artists stick to what they do best. Chasing for hits or what's hot to the young demo will not work for everyone and could even hurt your reputation if you fail miserably to drastically change your style. So might as well cater to your strengths especially when you are at certain point of your career. Luckily, most of them already made a big name for themselves and has a catalog of hits so they can live off on touring.
I'm not saying they should not try evolving their music but one must know if it's a natural fit.
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Post by fridayteenage on Apr 23, 2018 23:31:19 GMT -5
^Yeah. But that song was #4 in Digital Song Sales, which explains how it managed to be top 10. mmm, it was mostly streaming still. i mean: 03 42,000 NO EXCUSES Meghan Trainor (46) 02 44,000 ZOMBIE Bad Wolves (54) |
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Post by 85la on Apr 24, 2018 0:21:53 GMT -5
^ Exactly, Katy needs to start making fun pop music again and Gaga needs to start being interesting again. The fun, the interesting, the "bizarre" parts are not what's lacking. Sometimes it has nothing to do with the quality of the music itself, but simply ageism or the fact that people are tired of these stars because they've been around so long and it's a very rigid, cyclical thing where their time is up and the industry and public moves on to the next. Sometimes no matter how good a record somebody puts out is, it will be overlooked simply because their stars have burned out. |
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Post by 85la on Apr 24, 2018 0:29:56 GMT -5
You might have missed Bobby Brown on that list. That dude's pretty legendary. Still mentioned and name dropped on all sorts of songs. Milli Vanilli are pretty legendary too. For the wrong reasons of course. Milli Vanilli was mentioned on the new J. Cole album. I agree, Bobby Brown is definitely remembered. Much more so than Roxette. But c'mon, is Bobby Brown more famous today for having one or two hit albums and being in a mildly-successful R&B group from 30-35 years ago, or for having been Whitney Houston's husband? |
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Post by rimetm on Apr 24, 2018 1:56:02 GMT -5
It's close to the actual release, so it's not that helpful, but...
Source: Billboard Reveals, Chart Data Twitter, and Chart Insights
01 01 Nice for What
02 02 God's Plan
03 03 Meant to Be
04 04 Psycho
05 06 The Middle
06 05 Look Alive
07 07 Perfect
08 09 Freaky Friday
09 08 I Like It
10 92 Chun-Li
12 10 Finesse
13 15 Never Be the Same
14 14 Mine
19 16 Havana
20 22 Whatever It Takes
21 34 Friends
24 NE Esskeetit
25 83 Barbie Tingz
26 30 Heaven
28 29 Japan
43 60 Most People Are Good
48 NE Cry Pretty
51 54 Delicate
54 56 Love Lies
57 77 Tequila
62 72 Boo'd Up
66 95 I Lived It
73 NE Let Me
78 85 Get Along
81 RE Woman, Amen
82 98 For the First Time
84 NE Guatemala
89 NE Anybody
Off the Chart
All on Me [RECURRENT (20)]
Broken Halos [RECURRENT (20)]
Tell Me You Love Me [RECURRENT (20)]
No Roots [3 Weeks]
Proud [2 Weeks]
Try Me [2 Weeks]
A$AP Forever [1 Week]
Alone [1 Week]
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Post by aussie1 on Apr 24, 2018 3:50:40 GMT -5
It's time for Perfect to vacate the top ten!
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 24, 2018 4:10:30 GMT -5
I feel like we're not going to get the Hot 100 for at least another 3 hours.
Anybody else notice that a bunch of Hot 100 URLs seem to redirect to the current Hot 100 (Apr 21) instead of the correct date in the URL?
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Post by Darkest Hour on Apr 24, 2018 5:17:37 GMT -5
Anybody else notice that a bunch of Hot 100 URLs seem to redirect to the current Hot 100 (Apr 21) instead of the correct date in the URL? I don't know why but if you type the date as one day before actual chart date, you would be directed to the chart for that week. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 24, 2018 5:32:15 GMT -5
Anybody else notice that a bunch of Hot 100 URLs seem to redirect to the current Hot 100 (Apr 21) instead of the correct date in the URL? I don't know why but if you type the date as one day before actual chart date, you would be directed to the chart for that week. That's actually pretty helpful. |
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Post by jebsib on Apr 24, 2018 5:55:30 GMT -5
Regarding the biggest shifts in eras, it's funny - you rarely see the shift in the beginning. It's generally only clear with the hindsight of a few years.
(It is not as obvious as a "Hey! The Beatles are here! Hey! Disco 'died' last month!")
I wonder when this current shift started… When the EDM sound started dying and the Katy / Gaga coalition stumbled in 2014…?
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