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Post by Golden Bluebird on Apr 30, 2018 13:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by velaxti on Apr 30, 2018 13:53:46 GMT -5
Gravey if you bring them up every week you're not much better I know but it annoys me so damn much of why they always do this. Do they not understand how Billboard Charts work??? Billboard should put BTS at #1 of the Hot 100 next year as an April's Fools joke. It would be so funny to see the BTS fans reactions to them being #1, and then their reactions when it got taken away from them when it's revealed it was just a joke. I think the drama would crash the Internet haha. But I reckon one day they will get a legitimate Hot 100 hit tbh. Usually artists with a lot of buzz on the Internet end up getting one. Although not always, a few I can think of are Tyler The Creator, Azealia Banks. Lana Del Rey almost didn't get one but the Summertime Sadness remix happened. |
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 30, 2018 13:55:49 GMT -5
I believe Drake will have top 4 songs when his album comes out, and maybe 3 more elsewhere in the top ten.
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Post by velaxti on Apr 30, 2018 13:59:26 GMT -5
Wake Me Up! will be the first 52+ week song to chart outside the top 25 since 2015 Although, I think we are looking at the "recurrent rule" and the "Re-entry rule" as one in the same when they might in fact be different. It is possible that in separate chart runs, regardless of cumulative weeks, you only need to be in the top 50. The 52/25 rule might just apply to the initial chart run You might be right. Another example that supports your case is that there have been quite a lot of cases of songs which spent e.g. 11 weeks on the Hot 100 in their original chart run, but aren't allowed to re-enter years later and are put onto the Recurrent chart. You would think that since those songs haven't used up their 20 weeks, they should be allowed to re-enter even the lower half of the chart, but it seems Billboard doesn't think that way. I think they have different rules for songs which are 2+ years old or something like that. |
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Post by velaxti on Apr 30, 2018 14:02:43 GMT -5
I believe Drake will have top 4 songs when his album comes out, and maybe 3 more elsewhere in the top ten. I hope that doesn't happen. Only because it happened in the UK with Ed Sheeran's album, where he ended up with I think 9 songs in the top 10, and they changed the rules to only allow 3 songs per artist in their chart (which I think is a stupid rule). If Drake get 7 songs in the top 10 or something crazy, it might cause Billboard to change their rules as well, so I hope it doesn't happen (I like that album tracks can chart, personally). |
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Post by filthy on Apr 30, 2018 14:03:26 GMT -5
I know that J. Cole's record may get broken next week, but I'm still proud of him!
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Post by filthy on Apr 30, 2018 14:05:10 GMT -5
And just clarifying it: If Drake didn't release Nice For What, God's Plan would've (probably) been #1 for 14 consecutive weeks.
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Post by Gary on Apr 30, 2018 14:08:05 GMT -5
They aren't going to mess with the top portion of the chart.
Credibility tends to slide when you move from the "most popular song in the country is..." to "the most popular song in the country that satisfies the following statistical rules..."
Doing that further down the chart is one thing but doing that at the top changes the meaning of the chart
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Post by Enigma. on Apr 30, 2018 14:11:01 GMT -5
I know that J. Cole's record may get broken next week, but I'm still proud of him! I'm not sure. Psycho is already charting and the other two I can see reaching top ten are Better Now (100% sure) and Paranoid (90% sure) |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Apr 30, 2018 14:18:54 GMT -5
I believe Drake will have top 4 songs when his album comes out, and maybe 3 more elsewhere in the top ten. I hope that doesn't happen. Only because it happened in the UK with Ed Sheeran's album, where he ended up with I think 9 songs in the top 10, and they changed the rules to only allow 3 songs per artist in their chart (which I think is a stupid rule). If Drake get 7 songs in the top 10 or something crazy, it might cause Billboard to change their rules as well, so I hope it doesn't happen (I like that album tracks can chart, personally). Actually it applies to songs from an album. The Greatest Showman can only chart 3 songs as a result. |
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Post by velaxti on Apr 30, 2018 14:25:09 GMT -5
I hope that doesn't happen. Only because it happened in the UK with Ed Sheeran's album, where he ended up with I think 9 songs in the top 10, and they changed the rules to only allow 3 songs per artist in their chart (which I think is a stupid rule). If Drake get 7 songs in the top 10 or something crazy, it might cause Billboard to change their rules as well, so I hope it doesn't happen (I like that album tracks can chart, personally). Actually it applies to songs from an album. The Greatest Showman can only chart 3 songs as a result. I think it's both songs from an album and songs per artist. I say this because of the situations with The Weeknd And Avicii. When The Weeknd released his EP recently, the top 3 songs from the EP charted, and Pray For Me got disqualified as a result, but obviously Pray For Me is from a different album. Also, Avicii had quite a few songs which could have made the top 100 last week in the UK (from a number of different albums), and they only let 3 of them chart. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2018 14:35:31 GMT -5
Gravey if you bring them up every week you're not much better I know but it annoys me so damn much of why they always do this. Do they not understand how Billboard Charts work???Obviously not. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 14:38:32 GMT -5
Wake Me Up! will be the first 52+ week song to chart outside the top 25 since 2015 Although, I think we are looking at the "recurrent rule" and the "Re-entry rule" as one in the same when they might in fact be different. It is possible that in separate chart runs, regardless of cumulative weeks, you only need to be in the top 50. The 52/25 rule might just apply to the initial chart run Christmas songs will be happy to hear that 3 decades from now. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2018 14:39:40 GMT -5
Females on the hot 100 Nicki Minaj - 87 entries Taylor Swift 77 Aretha Franklin 73 Rihanna 61 Beyonce 59 Madonna 57 Ugh stats like this drive me nuts since there is no real comparison to charting in the 00s and when Aretha and others charted. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 14:40:47 GMT -5
I believe Drake will have top 4 songs when his album comes out, and maybe 3 more elsewhere in the top ten. I hope that doesn't happen. Only because it happened in the UK with Ed Sheeran's album, where he ended up with I think 9 songs in the top 10, and they changed the rules to only allow 3 songs per artist in their chart (which I think is a stupid rule). If Drake get 7 songs in the top 10 or something crazy, it might cause Billboard to change their rules as well, so I hope it doesn't happen (I like that album tracks can chart, personally). So proud to be an American right now. What a regressive policy. And it's the worst one that the UK has right now. |
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Post by kanimal on Apr 30, 2018 14:42:58 GMT -5
Ah - This might not be on her album - so the stat might be wrong - LOL It will be. It isn't 100% confirmed but it may as well be. Billboard can't officially announce it though if it isn't 100% confirmed. Like when there was no way that Shake It Off wasn't going to debut at #1 in 2014 yet they still said "maybe" This is directly from Republic: Produced by Max Martin and ILYA, written by Ariana, Max Martin, ILYA, and Savan Kotecha, “No Tears Left To Cry” is the first single from her upcoming highly anticipated full-length album. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 14:50:52 GMT -5
Females on the hot 100 Nicki Minaj - 87 entries Taylor Swift 77 Aretha Franklin 73 Rihanna 61 Beyonce 59 Madonna 57 Ugh stats like this drive me nuts since there is no real comparison to charting in the 00s and when Aretha and others charted. Don't worry. By the late 2020's, Aretha and Madonna's names won't be on that list. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2018 14:56:49 GMT -5
Ugh stats like this drive me nuts since there is no real comparison to charting in the 00s and when Aretha and others charted. Don't worry. By the late 2020's, Aretha and Madonna's names won't be on that list. I know, which is even worse. I still have hope Billboard will step up their “as a lead artist” stats. They already do it some. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 14:57:55 GMT -5
Don't worry. By the late 2020's, Aretha and Madonna's names won't be on that list. I know, which is even worse. I still have hope Billboard will step up their “as a lead artist” stats. They already do it some. I hope so too. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2018 14:59:02 GMT -5
I know, which is even worse. I still have hope Billboard will step up their “as a lead artist” stats. They already do it some. I hope so too. Of course before long that won’t matter either because of album bombs. |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 15:02:34 GMT -5
If Post Malone has 17 songs in the Hot 100 next week (all except Candy Paint), then he will need an average position of about #30 between those 17 songs in order to beat "More Life" as the biggest album opening ever on the Hot 100.
If he is able to do that, it would be interesting because it would mean that the biggest album opening ever and the biggest movie opening ever dropped on the same exact day.
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Post by Gary on Apr 30, 2018 15:02:51 GMT -5
Although, I think we are looking at the "recurrent rule" and the "Re-entry rule" as one in the same when they might in fact be different. It is possible that in separate chart runs, regardless of cumulative weeks, you only need to be in the top 50. The 52/25 rule might just apply to the initial chart run Christmas songs will be happy to hear that 3 decades from now. LOL -- |
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 15:16:47 GMT -5
Ugh stats like this drive me nuts since there is no real comparison to charting in the 00s and when Aretha and others charted. Technically, most of Nicki and Rihanna’s charting songs were actual singles with normal chart runs. When it comes to non-features, people from the pre-soundscan era actually have a huge advantage compared to people from 1992-2007. About twice as many songs charted per year in the pre-soundscan era. So it was much easier to get a song on the chart. No song was big enough for long enough to "clog up the charts" like today. Once the iTunes era started, things started to shift a bit. Especially for A-list celebrities like Taylor Swift. In the streaming era, we're still not seeing nearly as many songs debut every year as did pre-soundscan. In 2017, we had only about 453 songs debut on the Hot 100. However, it's again easier for big a-list artists to rack up song debuts. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Apr 30, 2018 15:26:35 GMT -5
Technically, most of Nicki and Rihanna’s charting songs were actual singles with normal chart runs. When it comes to non-features, people from the pre-soundscan era actually have a huge advantage compared to people from 1992-2007. About twice as many songs charted per year in the pre-soundscan era. So it was much easier to get a song on the chart. No song was big enough for long enough to "clog up the charts" like today. Once the iTunes era started, things started to shift a bit. Especially for A-list celebrities like Taylor Swift. In the streaming era, we're still not seeing nearly as many songs debut every year as did pre-soundscan. In 2017, we had only about 453 songs debut on the Hot 100. However, it's again easier for big a-list artists to rack up song debuts. I don't think any of those era can truly be compared since, as you point out, they are all so different. How many songs had debuted at this point in 1988 then 1998 then 2008 and now 2018? How many of Nicki's charted songs are from her as a featured artist? |
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Post by Gary on Apr 30, 2018 15:29:50 GMT -5
Technically, most of Nicki and Rihanna’s charting songs were actual singles with normal chart runs. When it comes to non-features, people from the pre-soundscan era actually have a huge advantage compared to people from 1992-2007. About twice as many songs charted per year in the pre-soundscan era. So it was much easier to get a song on the chart. No song was big enough for long enough to "clog up the charts" like today. Once the iTunes era started, things started to shift a bit. Especially for A-list celebrities like Taylor Swift. In the streaming era, we're still not seeing nearly as many songs debut every year as did pre-soundscan. In 2017, we had only about 453 songs debut on the Hot 100. However, it's again easier for big a-list artists to rack up song debuts. Look no further than the current chart 3 songs from J Cole debuting in the top 10 Pre soundscan or pre itunes, a single had to be purchased in the store in order to chart. Album tracks like the J Cole "album bomb" would never have charted |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 15:30:45 GMT -5
Who gave a hadouken on Nicki's Chun Li? #48? Ouch.
Congrats J. Cole for the record that will last a few months at the most.
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Post by Sherane Lamar on Apr 30, 2018 15:30:51 GMT -5
Christmas songs will be happy to hear that 3 decades from now. LOL -- I just realized that still doesn't quite make sense. "That's What I Like" didn't have 52 weeks straight... should it have been given a 53rd week because it was considered a re-entry run...? When "Uptown Funk!" re-entered above #25, did it immediately fall back below the #50 mark? Of course not... What if a song like "Shape Of You" has enough points to be #51 one week, and then bounces back to #49 the next week. Does it get to re-enter? I'm sure that's happened before. I think they just completely ignored their own rule for the sake of honoring the dead. Or maybe they'll start to make an exception for any song that hasn't been on the chart for a certain amount of time. (That way 52 week Superbowl songs could potentially make it on too). But that will still open up some real questions for the Christmas songs, once they get to 52 weeks. Will the 48 weeks between when Christmas season begins and ends be enough of a time to allow them to re-enter in the 26-50 range? If so, would a song like "Shape of You" be allowed to re-enter at #45 if it was still there 48 weeks after it left? Maybe the rule could be more like... if it's been X years since you first debuted, then you are allowed to re-enter in the 26-50 range as much as you want. But even then, that's confusing, because it's been less than 5 years since "Wake Me Up!" first debuted on the Hot 100. |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Apr 30, 2018 15:34:25 GMT -5
Psycho will probably take #1 next week, I can see Better Now and Paranoid debuting Top 10 since they are doing fantastic, maybe Ball For Me can sneak in. Stay will probably debut Top 20.
Rockstar will likely jump back into the Top 20, it didn't gain a lot so I don't expect it to jump back into the Top 10 but maybe it could happen.
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Post by Gary on Apr 30, 2018 15:37:02 GMT -5
I just realized that still doesn't quite make sense. "That's What I Like" didn't have 52 weeks straight... should it have been given a 53rd week because it was considered a re-entry run...? When "Uptown Funk!" re-entered above #25, did it immediately fall back below the #50 mark? Of course not... What if a song like "Shape Of You" has enough points to be #51 one week, and then bounces back to #49 the next week. Does it get to re-enter? I'm sure that's happened before. I think they just completely ignored their own rule for the sake of honoring the dead. Or maybe they'll start to make an exception for any song that hasn't been on the chart for a certain amount of time. (That way 52 week Superbowl songs could potentially make it on too). But that will still open up some real questions for the Christmas songs, once they get to 52 weeks. Will the 48 weeks between when Christmas season begins and ends be enough of a time to allow them to re-enter in the 26-50 range? If so, would a song like "Shape of You" be allowed to re-enter at #45 if it was still there 48 weeks after it left? Maybe the rule could be more like... if it's been X years since you first debuted, then you are allowed to re-enter in the 26-50 range as much as you want. But even then, that's confusing, because it's been less than 5 years since "Wake Me Up!" first debuted on the Hot 100. A "chart run" does not end if it falls below #50. A new chart run would be for something that brings it back after a period of time via extra promotion, featured in a movie, death etc. |
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Post by chartfreak on Apr 30, 2018 15:41:02 GMT -5
Still think it's ridiculous that 5 spots in the top 10 held by the same two artists. Times are changing!
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