Billboard Hot 100: 5/12/18

[allow that]

I’m a fan of J. Cole and don’t mind Post, but this current chart methodology sucks. Like, people aren’t playing a damn interlude as a stand-alone track to warrant it being the #47 song in the country. It’s all just passive streaming from listening to the album. I mean it’s an instant blockbuster album and streaming is massive, so I get it, but it begs for a true singles chart that indicates the most popular official singles in the country, plain and simple.

[Zach]

Apr 30, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

NBTS would be the best song to enter the t10 this year.

Extremely debatable.

[allow that]

Apr 30, 2018 21:27:42 GMT -5 Zach said:

Apr 30, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

NBTS would be the best song to enter the t10 this year.

Extremely debatable.

NBTS is trash. Delete it pls.

[Au$tin]

Ah, yes, another chart for Billboard to fuck up with their "interpretation" of categories. I'm sure the same people that determined WANEGBT and MTB were country songs will be able to determine what's a single and what isn't!

I mean, come on, there were pages upon pages of people fighting about whether or not RFI, Gorgeous, and End Game were singles early on in their releases. The line of what is and isn't an official single is too blurry in today's day and age.

[iHype.]

Maybe a rule where if a user listens to over 5 songs of a project in a particular week, then their consumption isn't counted on Hot 100 for that week (but counts towards album's consumption on Billboard 200 and RIAA).

It would push consumption of entire albums to be emphasized on Billboard 200, the chart where an album ideally should be emphasized.

Also it'd allow multiple songs from an album to still chart high if they're truly being listened to by the GP and not fans checking out the album. "Purpose" with What Do You Mean, Sorry, and Love Yourself is an example. They were truly popular in their own right, and would've still charted high under a similar rule since many users who weren't listening to the album were listening to the songs. They didn't just all chart high with the album release, then plummet within 3 weeks.

This rule would also allow non-singles/album tracks to chart high if they're truly popular in their own right, and not when the project they're on is being consumed entirely.

[jtd Thee Stallion]

Apr 30, 2018 19:59:07 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

lmao @ Camila possibly going top 5 by default. The song's popularity between this week and next week will be pretty much the same yet that translates into a huge jump into the top 5. Even if it peaked at #13, the song would be equally as big as its possible #5 placement would suggest. It just shows that peaks are not that relevant in the streaming age where album bombs could block anyone from reaching a higher peak.

Post is pretty much gonna replace J Cole in the top 10, the reason NBTS is going Top 10 is because of the remix with Kane Brown, which has been #1 on iTunes since Friday

[annoymous1]

Apr 30, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

NBTS would be the best song to enter the t10 this year.

Not really but you can continue to think that way though .

[rimetm]

Apr 30, 2018 21:48:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Maybe a rule where if a user listens to over 5 songs of a project in a particular week, then their consumption isn't counted on Hot 100 for that week (but counts towards album's consumption on Billboard 200 and RIAA).

They don't get that level of data, and I'm pretty sure getting such from the streaming services would be a breach of privacy.

[iHype.]

Apr 30, 2018 22:25:38 GMT -5 rimetm said:

Apr 30, 2018 21:48:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Maybe a rule where if a user listens to over 5 songs of a project in a particular week, then their consumption isn't counted on Hot 100 for that week (but counts towards album's consumption on Billboard 200 and RIAA).

They don't get that level of data, and I'm pretty sure getting such from the streaming services would be a breach of privacy.

I doubt that would be a breach of data.


Spotify's Privacy policy verbatim:

Playlists created or followed, your activity on the Service (e.g., what you listen to, music you share), recently played artists, your top tracks, your top artists, and User Content you post, upload, and/or contribute to the Service are made publicly available by default.

www.spotify.com/us/legal/privacy-policy/

You can also literally connect your last.fm to Spotify, which has a specific purpose to track how much you listen to artists/songs/albums and publish publicly.

[Au$tin]

Regardless of whether it's a breach of privacy or not (it's not), that would still be a very hard stat for Billboard to keep track of, let alone force the streaming services to even report. It's impractical.

Not to mention all of the complications that come with it. What about people that only save six or seven track off of the album and listen to them? They're not listening to the full album, they're skipping around and picking their favorites. Therefore the songs are being successful, not the album. Or when people listen to several tracks from the album over a lengthy period. Like they might listen to the full album over the course of a week, but there were other tracks played in between. Or even a day! Say I listened to six Post tracks within an hour, but I played 9 other songs in a random order around them. Does that count as an album or individual tracks? Suddenly now they would need to track the order in which you played the songs. It's just too much information to sift through for everyone involved. Too complicated for charting purposes.

[thelegends]

I see this being a similar week to the Logic and Lil Yachty album bombs.

Post Malone = Logic, but stronger debuts

YoungBoy Never Broke Again = Lil Yachty, but not all tracks are debuts.

[iHype.]

Apr 30, 2018 23:14:07 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Regardless of whether it's a breach of privacy or not (it's not), that would still be a very hard stat for Billboard to keep track of, let alone force the streaming services to even report. It's impractical.

Not to mention all of the complications that come with it. What about people that only save six or seven track off of the album and listen to them? They're not listening to the full album, they're skipping around and picking their favorites. Therefore the songs are being successful, not the album. Or when people listen to several tracks from the album over a lengthy period. Like they might listen to the full album over the course of a week, but there were other tracks played in between. Or even a day! Say I listened to six Post tracks within an hour, but I played 9 other songs in a random order around them. Does that count as an album or individual tracks? Suddenly now they would need to track the order in which you played the songs. It's just too much information to sift through for everyone involved. Too complicated for charting purposes.

I wouldn't say its impractical or very hard. Germany's chart is able to weigh paid streams & free streams (something Billboard also announced they'd do last year). Meaning they already get data down to each user's account subscription. Furthermore, pretty sure every chart company / streaming service filters data that keeps out people who just loop 1 song on repeat all day. Meaning the technology and vetting towards tracking user activity in depth is already there. 

And it was a proposed idea, nothing final. I think theoretically if someone listened to 5+ tracks from a project in a single tracking week, whether simultaneously at once, through different days, etc they were consuming the project in its own merit throughout the week. If you watch a movie in 3 parts throughout the week or all at once, you were still consuming the movie in itself overall, rather than the individual parts. 

[aussie1]

Would be nice to see post get #1 next week, at least he will mix up the the top 20 even more!

[chartslovergermany]

Apr 30, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5 fridayteenage said:

NBTS would be the best song to enter the t10 this year.

yes

[chartslovergermany]

And again sorry to the post fan‘s but he won’t get that #1 maybe #2 for a second week,but it’s just my early prediction maybe i will change it after i see how good the streams/airplay and sales are this week

[CF15]

I was definitely not expecting "Psycho" to hit #1; I thought its chances were done after the music video was a bit of a flop. I'm definitely on board with that happening, though; a very interesting turn of events, for sure.

[Golden Bluebird]

kworb.net/airadio/

*** = Dropped or added a format

Overall AI (Top 20) - 2018/05/01
1. (=) BEBE REXHA - Meant To Be f/F.G.L. (192.801) (-0.760)
2. (=) ZEDD/MAREN MORRIS/GREY - The Middle (170.674) (+0.240)
3. (=) DRAKE - God's Plan (167.604) (+0.727)
4. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Never Be The Same (144.369) (+1.423)
5. (=) THE WEEKND & KENDRICK LAMAR - Pray For Me (116.650) (-2.803) ***
6. (=) ED SHEERAN - Perfect (114.850) (-0.889)
7. (+1) IMAGINE DRAGONS - Whatever It Takes (112.771) (+1.531) ***
8. (-1) BRUNO MARS & CARDI B - Finesse (108.096) (-3.544)
9. (=) DUA LIPA - New Rules (96.442) (-0.573)
10. (=) MAX - Lights Down Low (87.416) (-0.950)
11. (=) MAROON 5 - Wait (83.704) (+1.177)
12. (=) POST MALONE - Psycho f/Ty Dolla $ign (81.772) (+0.691) ***
13. (=) BLOCBOY JB - Look Alive f/Drake (77.984) (+0.829)
14. (=) JASON ALDEAN - You Make It Easy (76.945) (+0.263)
15. (=) CAMILA CABELLO - Havana f/Young Thug (75.980) (+0.334)
16. (=) BAZZI - Mine (75.414) (+1.160)
17. (+1) DRAKE - Nice For What (73.433) (+2.213)
18. (-1) SHAWN MENDES - In My Blood (72.981) (+0.487)
19. (=) PORTUGAL. THE MAN - Feel It Still (69.840) (-0.043)
20. (=) KANE BROWN - Heaven (67.510) (+0.480)

Outside the Top 20:
39. (+4) ARIANA GRANDE - No Tears Left To Cry (42.898) (+2.368)
67. (-4) DEMI LOVATO - Tell Me You Love Me (28.294) (-1.157)

[fhas]

May 1, 2018 7:58:23 GMT -5 CF15 said:

I was definitely not expecting "Psycho" to hit #1; I thought its chances were done after the music video was a bit of a flop. I'm definitely on board with that happening, though; a very interesting turn of events, for sure.

It's interesting that Psycho had a very good debut (48,900 points - would've easily debuted at #1 if it was released last week, for example) but didn't get even close to God's Plan during its monstrous peak. Next week, with an unbelievably weak 41k points it has a good chance to hit #1. Points vs. position is always fun to compare and sometimes don't make much sense.

[crazyb]

The walmart kid has had a song in the top 50 on spotify for a few days now...

[slw84]

Apr 30, 2018 21:48:47 GMT -5 iHype. said:

Maybe a rule where if a user listens to over 5 songs of a project in a particular week, then their consumption isn't counted on Hot 100 for that week (but counts towards album's consumption on Billboard 200 and RIAA).

It would push consumption of entire albums to be emphasized on Billboard 200, the chart where an album ideally should be emphasized.

Also it'd allow multiple songs from an album to still chart high if they're truly being listened to by the GP and not fans checking out the album. "Purpose" with What Do You Mean, Sorry, and Love Yourself is an example. They were truly popular in their own right, and would've still charted high under a similar rule since many users who weren't listening to the album were listening to the songs. They didn't just all chart high with the album release, then plummet within 3 weeks.

This rule would also allow non-singles/album tracks to chart high if they're truly popular in their own right, and not when the project they're on is being consumed entirely.

Then they should go with 10 if they want a clean number or take the average amount of tracks on a LP (12-15) and use that as an indicator.

Technically double counting exists in sales just like streaming but it does appear the current rules allow popular artists now to benefit with double counting and not retroactively giving streams from the 90s/00s their due.

[fridayteenage]

Double counting shouldn't exist at all; the same consumption shouldn't be working for both BB200 and H100

[lazer]

Better Now has established itself as the next Post Malone hit after Psycho.

[DJ General]

So it is expected that Post will have #1 AND 3 additional entries in the top 10, all debuts!

epic!!

[Gary]

That should keep the chart methodology change discussion going for at least another week - LOL

[fhas]

May 1, 2018 15:04:48 GMT -5 DJ General said:

So it is expected that Post will have #1 AND 3 additional entries in the top 10, all debuts!

epic!!

The Postmania!

[kanfad]

May 1, 2018 14:35:58 GMT -5 lazer said:

Better Now has established itself as the next Post Malone hit after Psycho.

Which im really suprised by cause i thought for sure that it'd be either Stay or Ball for me
More so for BFM cause it follows the rockstar and psycho formula. Hook, verse, hook, fire guestverse, hook

[filthy]

I hope Rich & Sad or Stay get to be released as singles

[kcdawg13]

This is Thunder's last week on the chart, I'm hoping Feel It Still will be able to survive the Post-nuclear blast next week.

[hot100predictions]

So Selena is releasing her new single called, "Back To You" on May 10th. Her lyric reads, "I'm never coming back to you". Hmm? Wonder who that's about, cough, cough Justin lol. I know she probably won't go Top 5 but just thought I'd let all the thread now that new music is coming from Selena.

[kcdawg13]

May 1, 2018 17:14:54 GMT -5 hot100predictions said:

So Selena is releasing her new single called, "Back To You" on May 10th. Her lyric reads, "I'm never coming back to you". Hmm? Wonder who that's about, cough, cough Justin lol. I know she probably won't go Top 5 but just thought I'd let all the thread now that new music is coming from Selena.

Its for 13 Reasons Why, it's not a lead single so I don't expect it to do much on the charts.