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Post by rainie on Jun 16, 2018 14:12:08 GMT -5
Havenβt you heard of the Best New Artist curse? I hope this isnβt what happens to her but people who have won have historically not had much longevity in their careers. That's all bulls**t, plenty of artists have won that award and had great longevity. Adele, The Beatles, Mariah Carey, Maroon 5, Christina Aguilera, Carrie Underwood, Alicia Keys, Sheryl Crow, etc. The reason many winners don't have further success is because the Grammy's give the award to artists that have one good break-out year and no commercial success afterwards, that isn't some curse. I don't think Meghan Trainor or Macklemore would be doing amazing right now even without the Grammy. I mean duh itβs not a real curse. But my point is itβs hardly an indicator of longevity and the fact that they gave the Grammy to Alessia versus someone with more substance and, more then likely, more longevity, is hardly surprising.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jun 16, 2018 15:17:22 GMT -5
That's all bulls**t, plenty of artists have won that award and had great longevity. Adele, The Beatles, Mariah Carey, Maroon 5, Christina Aguilera, Carrie Underwood, Alicia Keys, Sheryl Crow, etc. The reason many winners don't have further success is because the Grammy's give the award to artists that have one good break-out year and no commercial success afterwards, that isn't some curse. I don't think Meghan Trainor or Macklemore would be doing amazing right now even without the Grammy. I mean duh itβs not a real curse. But my point is itβs hardly an indicator of longevity and the fact that they gave the Grammy to Alessia versus someone with more substance and, more then likely, more longevity, is hardly surprising. Alessia Cara seems pretty successful though, she's had decent longevity. She would of definitely outlasted Halsey if she hadn't done Closer.
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Post by rainie on Jun 16, 2018 15:47:29 GMT -5
I mean duh itβs not a real curse. But my point is itβs hardly an indicator of longevity and the fact that they gave the Grammy to Alessia versus someone with more substance and, more then likely, more longevity, is hardly surprising. Alessia Cara seems pretty successful though, she's had decent longevity. She would of definitely outlasted Halsey if she hadn't done Closer. I never really denied that β however I feel like someone like SZA is far more likely to be remembered 10 years from now
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Post by Naos on Jun 16, 2018 16:25:46 GMT -5
This is getting a decent start at pop radio it seems. But honestly, I won't be surprised if her career fizzles out like Macklemore's.
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Post by owenlovesmusic on Jun 16, 2018 16:31:12 GMT -5
Not doing well compared to the singles from her last album. As the Grammy winner of Best New Artist, Iβm surprised to see she is not doing better. Havenβt you heard of the Best New Artist curse? I hope this isnβt what happens to her but people who have won have historically not had much longevity in their careers. Now that you mention it, that makes sense... Meghan Trainor, Fun, Evanescence, John Legend, Macklemore
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 16:34:23 GMT -5
I like this, but I don't think this has Here/STYB- level potential. I'm personally hoping for a top 20 H100 peak and decent longevity, followed by a more 'smash' potential second single in the fall. I'm not particularly concerned with the slow start, as Alessia is not a 'star' personality yet (and may never be), and in general isn't the type of artist who attracts an extremely zealous fanbase, so she's not going to draw in a big audience anywhere right away. She's basically a Tori Kelly type, except with hits and a gramophone. Alessia Cara seems pretty successful though, she's had decent longevity. She would of definitely outlasted Halsey if she hadn't done Closer. I never really denied that β however I feel like someone like SZA is far more likely to be remembered 10 years from now SZA might not even have a voice to sing with 10 months from now at the rate she's going, never mind 10 years from now. I'm a fan of hers but she seems very fragile and I'm not sure she's built to withstand everything the industry entails. Khalid is the most likely of last year's nominees to have decent longevity IMO. With that said, also keep in mind that Alessia's win seems to be a committee 'make-up' for not nominating her for 2017, when she actually should have been (and rumoredly was one of the top 5 people in votes). So it's not like she was a fluke, she stretched out that debut era and her features over a good two-year stretch which is more than a lot of new artists can say. The Meghan Trainor comparison is interesting, b/c I feel like Meghan's biggest mistake was making too sudden a change in image/sound with her second album. Alessia is doing the opposite here - sticking to what people know her for - and she's getting dinged for it. I think Alessia made the right decision; if this song doesn't pan out she can easily go for something more along the lines of Here (which will be more sonically interesting) or Stay (more digestible/earwormy) without looking like she's losing her sense of self. I do wish she had a higher placement on TTH, but at least she made it on there and she's not terribly far down. She's the cover artist for New Music Friday and second on Pop Rising, so the streaming should increase gradually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 17:11:22 GMT -5
Havenβt you heard of the Best New Artist curse? I hope this isnβt what happens to her but people who have won have historically not had much longevity in their careers. Now that you mention it, that makes sense... Meghan Trainor, Fun, Evanescence, John Legend, Macklemore John Legend has had a very consistent and solid (albeit mostly niche) career. I feel like this 'curse' mentality doesn't account for artists like John who were never really aiming to be big pop stars in the traditional sense. As long as they are still making music and succeeding with respect to their genre peers, this is okay. I also think that a) statistically speaking, the curse is blown way out of proportion; and b) people rarely, if ever remember, to take into account each winner's competition that year. A lot of these so-called 'cursed' artists came from years where the entire category was weak. Now I'll grant that Macklemore was a HUGE bust compared to who could have won, but that's a fairly unusual miss. lbr, for as much as we keep bringing up Meghan, how many of us can name all four of her 2016 competitors off the bat, let alone what any of them are up to these days? (spoiler alert, Tori Kelly getting married this year is the biggest thing any of them have done since 2016) Or if you looked at who Mill Vanilli was up against in 1990 you'd quickly see why the Grammys didn't bother giving the award to the next closest competitor when they snatched that Grammy back lol. Not every class is going to produce a legend. In fact, most years won't produce a legend.
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Post by rainie on Jun 16, 2018 17:31:05 GMT -5
On the subject of the best new artist curse, while 2013 May have been pretty bad as far as not picking the person with the most longevity, 2011 was even worse imo. Both Drake and Justin Bieber were in that class along with two critically acclaimed alt artists...and Esperanza Spalding wins
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2018 19:00:07 GMT -5
On the subject of the best new artist curse, while 2013 May have been pretty bad as far as not picking the person with the most longevity, 2011 was even worse imo. Both Drake and Justin Bieber were in that class along with two critically acclaimed alt artists...and Esperanza Spalding wins I almost mentioned Esperanza Spalding because of the niche factor that I applied to John. She's still working/making critically acclaimed music, she just doesn't make music in a more commercial genre. Esperanza was actually making quite the name for herself in jazz circles at the time; artistically, she earned her spot. Bringing her up as an example of a 'bad' winner is always problematic to me b/c it always boils down to 'the other four sold SO much more!' and then it just becomes insulting to jazz artists as a whole (or gospel, or Americana, or any other tiny genre like that) to more or less imply that they don't deserve recognition b/c too few people listen to those styles of music. I think Shelby Lynne is a better example of a legit 'bad' winner. Although she's still making music, she pretty much dropped off the face of the earth after winning BNA and never won another award or grabbed attention from critics. And she was in a genre where being BNA should have raised her profile more.
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Post by Lumi on Jun 16, 2018 19:03:44 GMT -5
best new artist curse is comin
the scammys are cancelled
Anyway this took a while to get grown to but I really like it. I really like the intro section and the beat in it. It does sound a lot like her old album, but she explains why she kept her old sound in the interview with Zach Sang. I still like this either way, and she's going to have Here-esque sounds on the album so I'm excited.
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Post by forg on Jun 16, 2018 20:32:40 GMT -5
Since winning BNA, John Legend won a couple more of Grammys along with a Tony and Oscar plus he had his biggest hit All of Me. Produced a critically acclaimed TV show Underground, was part of La La Land and recently the lead of Jesus Christ Superstar Live on NBC. Plus he has worked/collaborated with a lot of people in the industry over the years and seems to be really respected as an artist. So he really should not be lumped with the so called BNA cursed people.
Success is not just about pop charts so Esperanza Spalding does not make for a bad winner too as she has done well in the Jazz industry since winning. I also admit I didn't know her until she won and upon looking her up she is insanely talented and has great musicality. Although she probably wouldn't have won BNA if Bruno Mars released his debut album within the deadline
Anyway on topic, I like this song and hope it's a hit for Alessia Cara eventually. I think she's talented and has shown so much potential
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Post by irice22 on Jun 16, 2018 20:48:50 GMT -5
I don't see this making the Top 10 at pop radio. But radio is more forgiving than they used to be. They might latch onto the second single.
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Post by NeRD on Jun 16, 2018 21:18:21 GMT -5
Only bad thing I have to say like others is it's a bit wordy; which may work against it on Pop radio.
I still think it'll do decent though.
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Post by jeiboy on Jun 17, 2018 6:00:31 GMT -5
This Best New Artist nonsense curse doesnt exist. Lmao
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 17, 2018 6:08:24 GMT -5
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Post by g8erboi on Jun 17, 2018 6:31:47 GMT -5
Hopefully this doesnβt end up going the Green Light route.
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Post by Mayman on Jun 17, 2018 8:58:43 GMT -5
Hopefully this doesnβt end up going the Green Light route. I was just thinking that too (#JusticeForGreenLight)
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 17, 2018 9:06:12 GMT -5
Going back to the New Artist curse, I think people tend to only look at artists through a pop music/hits and sales lens. Granted that's the easiest way to build any sort of long-term legacy but so many artists who have a breakout single/album that doesn't last but they continue releasing music do often continue to evolve.
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Post by deepston on Jun 17, 2018 12:00:12 GMT -5
This is cute but I expected more.
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 18, 2018 9:06:40 GMT -5
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Post by Normi on Jun 18, 2018 11:19:05 GMT -5
So beautiful but somewhat disappointed? Unsure what I expected though
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Post by Snowbeast on Jun 18, 2018 19:23:21 GMT -5
Her lyrics are mint, but aside from Here, she struggles with melody. Cramming too many words into the verses and awkward delivery. Choruses are always good though.
This isnβt good enough to launch her to A-list. The Moana single was better than this
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Post by graham on Jun 18, 2018 20:19:30 GMT -5
Donβt like her that much, but this is pretty good.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 18, 2018 21:14:11 GMT -5
Maybe she needs a co-writer who can take the lead for a little bit. I feel like of all the new artists to emerge over the last 3 or so years, Alessia is the one with the most potential.
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Post by Lumi on Jun 19, 2018 0:29:29 GMT -5
Jimmy Fallon performance:
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Post by tamed09 on Jun 19, 2018 7:23:27 GMT -5
She killed that performance
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 8:53:01 GMT -5
Great performance
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 20, 2018 6:09:24 GMT -5
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Post by Az Paynter on Jun 20, 2018 12:56:28 GMT -5
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