Billboard Hot 100: 6/30/2018

[Choco]

Didn't Born this Way spend like 6 weeks at #1? I'm guessing it's nowhere near any record.

[Sherane Lamar]

The Carters seem to have had a more appropriate Spotify jump in their second day. Having 4 songs in the Top 200.

I still feel like this is very underwhelming for them on Spotify. And I'm expecting that there may be a debut weaker than "4:44". I guess it depends on what's going on behind the curtains at TIDAL.

[Sherane Lamar]

How do you think Billboard will handle re-entries in the 51-100 range for XXXTentacion?

His only song to have spent 20 weeks on the charts is "Look At Me!". Which is also his only song to have debuted more than a year ago.


Billboard previously bent the rules with the deaths of Avicii and Leonard Cohen.


Do you think XXXTentacion will debut songs below the Top 50?


"Hope" in particular, is #10 on Spotify, despite never having charted on the Hot 100. And no song to hit #10 on Spotify has ever failed to hit the Hot 100.

[wicked]

Jun 20, 2018 14:42:50 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

How do you think Billboard will handle re-entries in the 51-100 range for XXXTentacion?

His only song to have spent 20 weeks on the charts is "Look At Me!". Which is also his only song to have debuted more than a year ago.


Billboard previously bent the rules with the deaths of Avicii and Leonard Cohen.


Do you think XXXTentacion will debut songs below the Top 50?


"Hope" in particular, is #10 on Spotify, despite never having charted on the Hot 100. And no song to hit #10 on Spotify has ever failed to hit the Hot 100.

Re-entries are allowed if massive spikes in popularity occur. By the way, wake me up never even went recurrent in the first place so the rule didn’t even apply to it.
X’s songs will all be allowed except for Look at Me which went recurrent. That one may be allowed if billboard sees its spike in popularity as good enough reason to allow it back, but who knows. The others never went recurrent tho so why would they not be allowed?

[Sherane Lamar]

Jun 20, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5 wicked said:

Jun 20, 2018 14:42:50 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

How do you think Billboard will handle re-entries in the 51-100 range for XXXTentacion?

His only song to have spent 20 weeks on the charts is "Look At Me!". Which is also his only song to have debuted more than a year ago.


Billboard previously bent the rules with the deaths of Avicii and Leonard Cohen.


Do you think XXXTentacion will debut songs below the Top 50?


"Hope" in particular, is #10 on Spotify, despite never having charted on the Hot 100. And no song to hit #10 on Spotify has ever failed to hit the Hot 100.

Re-entries are allowed if massive spikes in popularity occur. By the way, wake me up never even went recurrent in the first place so the rule didn’t even apply to it.
X’s songs will all be allowed except for Look at Me which went recurrent. That one may be allowed if billboard sees its spike in popularity as good enough reason to allow it back, but who knows. The others never went recurrent tho so why would they not be allowed?

It's more about older songs not being allowed to *debut* in the 51-100 range. At least, that was once my understanding. 

Why else did a ton of ancient Christmas songs debut for the very first time in the 41-50 range in December 2016. Yet none of theme ever charted in the 51-100 range? 

But then again, maybe none of XXXTentacion's songs will be old enough to trigger that rule. 

I guess only "Look At Me" has any 


wake me up never even went recurrent in the first place

It was thrown off the chart due to the 50/20 rule. But you're right that it was never effected by the 25/52 rule. 

Michael Jackson's "Thriller" was never thrown off due to any recurrent rule. But it is still subject to the modern 52/20 rule. Which is why it has been absent for the last few Halloweens. 

[Gary]

XXXTentacion Breaks Taylor Swift's Single-Day Streaming Record on Spotify

NewsDigital and Mobile

By Colin Stutz | June 20, 2018 3:19 PM EDT

The rapper's "SAD!" amassed 10.4 million streams on June 19, the day following his death.

On Tuesday, the day after XXXTentacion was fatally shot at the age of 20, the singer-songwriter's "SAD!" broke the single-day record for Spotify streams that had been held by Taylor Swift, a source tells Billboard.

"SAD!" amassed 10.4 million streams on Spotify June 19, according to Spotifycharts.com; Swift's "Look What You Made Me Do" racked up 10.1 million streams on the service the day it was released, August 25, 2017.

Helping XXXTentacion's single break Swift's record were about 15 million new paying subscribers: Spotify counts more than 75 million subscribers now, up from about 60 million at the end of July 2017. Spotify's free user base has ballooned as well.

Spotify had removed "SAD!" from its top playlists including Rap Caviar in May after announcing a new "hateful conduct" policy, as XXXTentacion had been charged -- but not convicted -- of several felonies, including domestic violence and witness tampering. But Spotify restored the track on Rap Caviar weeks ago after telling the artist's camp weeks ago that it would do so, admitting that the rollout of the policy had been flawed. The day of his death, Spotify moved "Sad!" to the top of its Rap Caviar playlist, and included a tribute to the artist on the service as well.

[Angel]

Jun 20, 2018 15:47:26 GMT -5 Gary said:

XXXTentacion Breaks Taylor Swift's Single-Day Streaming Record on Spotify

NewsDigital and Mobile

By Colin Stutz | June 20, 2018 3:19 PM EDT

The rapper's "SAD!" amassed 10.4 million streams on June 19, the day following his death.

On Tuesday, the day after XXXTentacion was fatally shot at the age of 20, the singer-songwriter's "SAD!" broke the single-day record for Spotify streams that had been held by Taylor Swift, a source tells Billboard.

"SAD!" amassed 10.4 million streams on Spotify June 19, according to Spotifycharts.com; Swift's "Look What You Made Me Do" racked up 10.1 million streams on the service the day it was released, August 25, 2017.

Helping XXXTentacion's single break Swift's record were about 15 million new paying subscribers: Spotify counts more than 75 million subscribers now, up from about 60 million at the end of July 2017. Spotify's free user base has ballooned as well.

Spotify had removed "SAD!" from its top playlists including Rap Caviar in May after announcing a new "hateful conduct" policy, as XXXTentacion had been charged -- but not convicted -- of several felonies, including domestic violence and witness tampering. But Spotify restored the track on Rap Caviar weeks ago after telling the artist's camp weeks ago that it would do so, admitting that the rollout of the policy had been flawed. The day of his death, Spotify moved "Sad!" to the top of its Rap Caviar playlist, and included a tribute to the artist on the service as well.

Garbage

[chartslovergermany]

^totally agree

[Angel]

I don't understand why people are supporting this guy... even when he was alive... He doesn't deserve it. He was a repulsive excuse of human flesh.

[Gary]

It happens

He has fans

People like the music

People want to honor his memory and the work that he put out


Usually happens when an artist with a hit or two or more dies


It will blow over within a week, I would assume

[jenglisbe]

Jun 20, 2018 13:05:46 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Jun 20, 2018 12:38:09 GMT -5 jarhys said:

Is This Is America the fastest #1-debuted song to fall out of top 10.?

If we are not counting American Idol's songs, This Is America is tied with Hold It Against Me with 5 weeks, next are Part Of Me, Harlem Shake, My Heart Will Go On, Born This Way..

Didn't "BTW" have 6 weeks at #1? Did it then fall out of the top 10?

[owenlovesmusic]

He put out excellent music and helped many people through hard times. I for one listened to him a lot.

[Angel]

Jun 20, 2018 16:10:54 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Jun 20, 2018 13:05:46 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

If we are not counting American Idol's songs, This Is America is tied with Hold It Against Me with 5 weeks, next are Part Of Me, Harlem Shake, My Heart Will Go On, Born This Way..

Didn't "BTW" have 6 weeks at #1? Did it then fall out of the top 10?

Not immediately. Had another three weeks in the top ten before dropping out. 


*1*-1-1-1-1-1-4-5-5-13

[Deleted]

Also you can't assume that everyone knows his backstory. Some people may just enjoy his music and haven't read up on everything he has done. Other people may dismiss it and seperate the art from the artist. His fans of course are heavily bumping the streaming numbers, and you can't really blame them.

Tay's record was always going to be broken, since Spotify keeps growing by the day. I'm really interested to see where all his songs will chart next week, kinda expecting SAD! to go top 5, maybe top 3, but I'm terrible with numbers so that may be completely wrong.

[wicked]

Jun 20, 2018 15:15:22 GMT -5 Sherane Lamar said:

Jun 20, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5 wicked said:

Re-entries are allowed if massive spikes in popularity occur. By the way, wake me up never even went recurrent in the first place so the rule didn’t even apply to it.
X’s songs will all be allowed except for Look at Me which went recurrent. That one may be allowed if billboard sees its spike in popularity as good enough reason to allow it back, but who knows. The others never went recurrent tho so why would they not be allowed?

It's more about older songs not being allowed to *debut* in the 51-100 range. At least, that was once my understanding. 

Why else did a ton of ancient Christmas songs debut for the very first time in the 41-50 range in December 2016. Yet none of theme ever charted in the 51-100 range? 

But then again, maybe none of XXXTentacion's songs will be old enough to trigger that rule. 

I guess only "Look At Me" has any 


wake me up never even went recurrent in the first place

It was thrown off the chart due to the 50/20 rule. But you're right that it was never effected by the 25/52 rule. 

Michael Jackson's "Thriller" was never thrown off due to any recurrent rule. But it is still subject to the modern 52/20 rule. Which is why it has been absent for the last few Halloweens. 

That’s interesting but there’s no reason why songs below 20 weeks shouldn’t be able to re-entry from 51-100. And I didn’t know that thriller isn’t allowed to re-enter, I guess my understanding of the rule has changed.

[renaboss]

Weeks spent in top 10 by #1 debuts (according to Wikipedia):

*Michael Jackson - You Are Not Alone [10 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Mariah Carey - Fantasy [16 wks, 8 @ #1]
*Whitney Houston - Exhale (Shoop Shoop) [15 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Mariah Carey and Boyz II Men - One Sweet Day [19 wks, 16 @ #1]
*Puff Daddy featuring Faith Evans and 112 - I'll Be Missing You [17 wks, 11 @ #1]
*Mariah Carey - Honey [8 wks, 3 @ #1]
*Elton John - Candle in the Wind 1997/Something About the Way You Look Tonight [17 wks, 14 @ #1]
*Céline Dion - My Heart Will Go On [8 wks, 2 @ #1]
*Aerosmith - I Don't Want to Miss a Thing [10 wks, 4 @ #1]
*Lauryn Hill - Doo Wop (That Thing) [11 wks, 2 @ #1]
*Clay Aiken - This Is the Night [4 wks, 2 @ #1]
*Fantasia - I Believe [2 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Carrie Underwood - Inside Your Heaven [4 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Taylor Hicks - Do I Make You Proud [2 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Britney Spears - 3 [11 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Eminem - Not Afraid [7 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Ke$ha - We R Who We R [14 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Britney Spears - Hold It Against Me [5 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Lady Gaga - Born This Way [9 wks, 6 @ #1]
*Katy Perry - Part of Me [9 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Baauer - Harlem Shake [8 wks, 5 @ #1]
*Taylor Swift - Shake It Off [24 wks, 4 @ #1]
*Justin Bieber - What Do You Mean? [21 wks, 1 @ #1]
*ZAYN - Pillowtalk [16 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Justin Timberlake - Can't Stop the Feeling! [15 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Ed Sheeran - Shape of You [33 wks, 12 @ #1]
*DJ Khaled featuring Justin Bieber, Quavo, Chance the Rapper and Lil Wayne - I'm the One [15 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Drake - God's Plan [21 wks and counting, 11 @ #1]
*Drake - Nice for What [10 wks and counting, 7 @ #1]
*Childish Gambino - This Is America [5 wks and maybe counting, 2 @ #1]

Honorable mentions:
*Ricky Nelson - Poor Little Fool [6 wks, 2 @ #1]
*Céline Dion and R. Kelly - I'm Your Angel [10 wks, 6 @ #1]

[Angel]

I have to admit that I was surprised by I'm Your Angel because I never knew it was basically a #1 debut but billboard doesn't consider it one... I wonder why

*EDIT*

I found this... might explain it.


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[lazer]

Jun 20, 2018 16:43:11 GMT -5 Angel said:

I have to admit that I was surprised by I'm Your Angel because I never knew it was basically a #1 debut but billboard doesn't consider it one... I wonder why

*EDIT*

I found this... might explain it.


 

I heard the song. It doesn't sound like a #1 hit. I think it hit #1 because the two biggest music names of the 90's are collaborating.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

^Yeah I remember seeing that EDIT way back when. I think they mentioned something similar the week they added Pandora to the Billboard charts.I remember them mention how some songs would have placed with and without Pandora counting.

[thabb]

Jun 20, 2018 16:57:26 GMT -5 Baby Yoda Hot100Fan said:

^Yeah I remember seeing that EDIT way back when. I think they mentioned something similar the week they added Pandora to the Billboard charts.I remember them mention how some songs would have placed with and without Pandora counting.

www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7670083/billboard-adds-pandora-streaming-data-hot-100

here:

Pandora data positively impacts 35 titles on the Hot 100, including nine songs that improve in rank by five or more places if compared to the chart absent of Pandora data. Among the titles showing such marked improvement thanks to Pandora plays are Rob $tone's "Chill Bill," featuring J. Davi$ and Spooks, Bebe Rexha's "I Got You" and Rihanna's "Sex With Me." "Chill Bill" is among Pandora's top 10 most-streamed songs of the week, which helps it place more than 10 spots higher on the Hot 100 than if Pandora data had not been added.



In addition, looking at songs that appear on the Hot 100 that didn't a week ago but now do thanks in part to Pandora's influence, Callum Scott's first Hot 100 hit, "Dancing on My Own," debuts and Lady Gaga's "Million Reasons" re-enters.

[Deleted]

I don't think Sad! Is gonna go number one, I think it's 5 at best

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 16:50:00 GMT -5 lazer said:

Jun 20, 2018 16:43:11 GMT -5 Angel said:

I have to admit that I was surprised by I'm Your Angel because I never knew it was basically a #1 debut but billboard doesn't consider it one... I wonder why

*EDIT*

I found this... might explain it.


 

I heard the song. It doesn't sound like a #1 hit. I think it hit #1 because the two biggest music names of the 90's are collaborating.

It was actually a big song.  It spent several weeks at #1 in sales, and went platinum+.  It wasn't a huge pop radio hit if I remember correctly, but it spent months on top of the AC chart.  Their names and star power were of course part of it, as with most hit songs, but there were plenty of bigger name collab "event records" in the 90s that faired worse than this on the Hot 100, so that doesn't guarantee anything.  Michael/Janet and Whitney/Mariah both come to mind.

No diss to you, but this notion of something "sounding" like a #1 is so weird to me.  Especially if you weren't around at the time, which based on your response it doesn't sound like you were.  #1 songs don't sound any certain way, they may "feel" like one or not, subjectively to us as individuals, but you really have to be in that moment to make that determination.

[Angel]

Jun 20, 2018 20:18:17 GMT -5 @mello said:

Jun 20, 2018 16:50:00 GMT -5 lazer said:

I heard the song. It doesn't sound like a #1 hit. I think it hit #1 because the two biggest music names of the 90's are collaborating.

It was actually a big song.  It spent multiple weeks at #1 in sales, and went platinum+.  It wasn't a huge pop radio hit, but it spent months on top of the AC chart.  Their names were of course part of it, but there were plenty of bigger name collab "event records" in the 90s that faired worse than this on the Hot 100, so that doesn't guarantee anything.  Michael/Janet and Whitney/Mariah both come to mind.

No diss to you, but this notion of something "sounding" like a #1 is so weird to me.  Especially if you weren't around at the time, which based on your response it doesn't sound like you were.  #1 songs don't sound any certain way, they may "feel" like one or not, but you really have to be in that moment to determine that.

I'm Your Angel has always felt huge to me. I still remember the first time I heard it. Goosebumps all over. I can see exactly why it was a #1. 

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 20:24:09 GMT -5 Angel said:

Jun 20, 2018 20:18:17 GMT -5 @mello said:

It was actually a big song.  It spent multiple weeks at #1 in sales, and went platinum+.  It wasn't a huge pop radio hit, but it spent months on top of the AC chart.  Their names were of course part of it, but there were plenty of bigger name collab "event records" in the 90s that faired worse than this on the Hot 100, so that doesn't guarantee anything.  Michael/Janet and Whitney/Mariah both come to mind.

No diss to you, but this notion of something "sounding" like a #1 is so weird to me.  Especially if you weren't around at the time, which based on your response it doesn't sound like you were.  #1 songs don't sound any certain way, they may "feel" like one or not, but you really have to be in that moment to determine that.

I'm Your Angel has always felt huge to me. I still remember the first time I heard it. Goosebumps all over. I can see exactly why it was a #1. 

Yeah, I was working at a Rhythmic station at the time and it was a moment when I first played it - during the holidays too.  Very lush and grand sounding. Far more suited for AC than Pop or Rhythmic, but it managed to get some decent spins anyway.

[badrobot]

Re: I’m Your Angel, I gotta agree with the OP. I was around and an avid music listener and chart watcher at the time, and that song was totally forgettable to me even then... but let’s be real, anybody could comb through the charts and find #1 songs that make you go “wait, that song? Really?”

[iHype.]

I get something not sounding like a #1 hit in the sense of it being very polarizing, having a different structure, or not sounding similar to what ruled the charts then. 

Viva La Vida and Fireflies come to mind. They were huge, but they weren't really the sound that was dominant at the time. Also Rihanna/Drake's Work sounded so different from what was a hit at the time (but now that sound has influenced a handful of other hits since), you can literally go back to threads then where so many people said it'd never become huge.

And looking back at #1's from periods, the most 'different' #1 I've heard is Prince's Batdance (not including novelty songs). It just really sounds so different from a structure of a hit from any period. It sounds like a medley really lol. 

[jenglisbe]

Jun 20, 2018 16:43:11 GMT -5 Angel said:

I have to admit that I was surprised by I'm Your Angel because I never knew it was basically a #1 debut but billboard doesn't consider it one... I wonder why

*EDIT*

I found this... might explain it.


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Well, it was weird because I think they counted the weeks from the test charts in the "weeks on" total, but the positions didn't count. So #1 was the first counted position for "IYA," but it had more than 1 week on the chart. I'm trying to find that specific issue to confirm but can't.

[jenglisbe]

Jun 20, 2018 16:34:47 GMT -5 renaboss said:

Weeks spent in top 10 by #1 debuts (according to Wikipedia):
*Clay Aiken - This Is the Night [4 wks, 2 @ #1]
*Fantasia - I Believe [2 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Carrie Underwood - Inside Your Heaven [4 wks, 1 @ #1]
*Taylor Hicks - Do I Make You Proud [2 wks, 1 @ #1]

Ah, the good ol' Idol songs and their short runs.

[Deleted]

Jun 20, 2018 20:50:13 GMT -5 badrobot said:

Re: I’m Your Angel, I gotta agree with the OP. I was around and an avid music listener and chart watcher at the time, and that song was totally forgettable to me even then... but let’s be real, anybody could comb through the charts and find #1 songs that make you go “wait, that song? Really?”

We all have opinions on what is memorable or forgettable.  That's not really what I was getting at.  

My point was that it was a big song and there is no specific sound or formula for a #1. The Hot 100 is varied by nature, with various trends being repped at any given time.  However, IYA wasn't some crazy left field song that shouldn't have been a #1 song at the time - because literally half of the top 10 at the time was occupied by similar R&B ballads, plus From This Moment On and Because of You by 98 Degrees.  IYA was very on trend, even if some find/found it unremarkable now/then.  (Chart Link)




 

[korbel16]

Ok kinda sick of talking about I’m your angel