Billboard Hot 100: 7/07/2018

[sam8432]

Jul 3, 2018 12:28:43 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

Jul 3, 2018 11:57:27 GMT -5 annoymous1 said:

The Collab is probably with Niall since it's getting released on the 6th .

I couldn’t see Niall with Cardi at all.

That would be... interesting to see. As long as Cardi doesn't ruin Seeing Blind then I don't care.

[davidjl123]

Total Hot 100 Hits for 2018, including features

Post Malone (20)
Cardi B (19)
Migos (15)
J. Cole (12)
XXXTentacion (12)
Logic (11)
Kanye West (11)
Khalid (10)
Nicki Minaj (10)
Drake (8)
Huncho Jack (7)
Kendrick Lamar (7)
The Weeknd (7)
Travis Scott (7)
6ix9ine (7)
Kids See Ghosts (7)
SZA (5)
Taylor Swift (5)
Swae Lee (5)
Lil Yachty (5)
YoungBoy Never Broke Again (5)
Ozuna (5)
Lil Uzi Vert (5)
Imagine Dragons (5)
The Carters (5)
Demi Lovato (5)
Ed Sheeran (4)
Eminem (4)
21 Savage (4)
Justin Timberlake (4)
Marshmello (4)
Chris Brown (4)
Bad Bunny (4)
Lil Baby (4)
ASAP Rocky (4)
YG (4)
Big Sean (4)
Offset (4)
Pusha T (4)
Florida Georgia Line (4)
Lil Skies (4)
2 Chainz (4)

Drake will rise to 30 assuming all songs from Scorpion chart. Kanye West would have 18 if songs with Kids See Ghosts are counted, Travis Scott 14 with Huncho Jack, Beyoncé 8 with The Carters, etc.

[renaboss]

So I guess I was wrong about people flocking towards whatever song on "Scorpion" is better, cos "Nonstop" is really nothing to write home about. I'm just awful at predicting things really.

[Gary]

The Times Have Changed: What 'I Like It' Hitting No. 1 Means to Latin Music

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By Leila Cobo | July 03, 2018 11:50 AM EDT
Bad Bunny, Cardi B and J Balvin


Much has been made of the fact that Cardi B is the first female rapper with two Billboard Hot 100 No. 1s.

But the far bigger story is the fact that that second No. 1 -- “I Like It” -- is a fully bilingual song where Cardi B raps in English and her two guest artists, Bad Bunny and J Balvin, rap in Spanish. Out of a 13-track album featuring a bounty of collaborations, the one that got to the top is the only one that is bilingual.

“I Like It’s” summit comes almost exactly a year after that other bilingual track, “Despacito,” hit No. 1 on the Hot 100 (May 27, 2017), and stayed there for a record 16 weeks.

That this is happening precisely the week of Fourth of July is extremely ironic, considering the times we live in, and absolutely appropriate, considering the country we live in.

Cardi B, real name Belcalis Marlenis Almanzar, was born in the Bronx to a Dominican father and a Trinidanian mother. Her Spanish-rapping collaborators are a Colombian (Balvin) and a Puerto Rican (Bad Bunny); the former learned English in the U.S. as an exchange student, and the latter is just learning how to speak the language now. The song they do together is a remake of the 1967 hit “I Like It Like That,” originally recorded by another Bronx native -- Nuyorican bandleader Pete Rodriguez.

This is a rather long-winded way of saying this music isn’t new, nor is it imported. It’s music born and bred in the streets of New York, with danceable Latin influence and beats. It’s yet another example of how Latin sounds have permeated popular American culture and music for decades, ebbing and flowing with changing tastes, yes, but perennially present.

If that’s the case, then, why such a big ado over a bilingual track hitting No. 1 on the Hot 100? Because the Hot 100 is the most notable, visible and respected measurement of music’s popularity in this country, and for a track to hit No. 1, it means it’s undeniably, firmly entrenched in mass consciousness, as “Despacito” was a year ago.

And this is groundbreaking.

While Latin culture is part of the social and cultural fabric of this country, Latin music in Spanish, by virtue of being in another language, has mostly stayed in its “Latin” lane in the charts. Mainstream radio rarely plays it and Latin acts are still a rarity on late-night television or even the major mainstream morning shows. Not a single Latin artist who performs in Spanish, aside from Shakira and Jennifer Lopez, has played in Saturday Night Live, for example (at least in recent memory).

According to a Billboard story dated May 29, of the 4,799 singles that have reached the Hot 100’s top 10, only 17 have been performed primarily or fully in a language other than English. Not surprisingly, the most common language among them is Spanish, which infuses six songs. Of those, three went to No. 1: “Despacito,” “La Bamba” (Los Lobos) and Macarena (Los Del Río, Bayside Boys Mix), back in 1996.

“I Like It” is a slightly different story because it has more English than Spanish. Still, it’s rise is so very notable because it’s part of an accelerated spike of Spanish and Spanish-infused songs on the chart.

Only three Spanish-language songs got on the Hot 100 in 2015 (including Nicky Jam and Enrique Iglesias’ “El perdon”) and in 2016. In 2017, an explosion: 17 tracks in Spanish or mostly in Spanish (they include “Mi gente” and “Despacito”) got onto the Hot 100. So far in 2018, there have been 13. If things continue the way they have, there will likely be a minimum of 20 Spanish or predominantly Spanish songs on the Hot 100 by the end of the year.

This surge can be attributed at least in part to streaming, which has broadened the scope for Latin music that is still shunned from major mainstream outlets. But it also reflects the times, the moment and the new openness of the world, despite the entrenchment at the border.

And it goes beyond music. Just last week, newcomer Alexandria Ocasio Cortez of the Bronx won the Democratic primary in New York’s 14th congressional district, unseating Democratic Caucus Chair and longtime politician Joseph Crowley. Apparently, no one in the Democratic party saw that one coming.

"I think that there are a lot of districts in this country that are like New York 14, that have changed a lot in the last 20 years and whose representation has not," Ocasio-Cortez said in Meet The Press.

Similarly, on April of 2017, before “Despacito” went to No. 1, I asked Balvin if he thought a Spanish language song would ever hit the summit of the chart in the near future.

“I think it’s possible, but we’re still not there yet,” he replied. “It may take many years, but as new generations emerge and realize the United States isn’t the only place in the planet and English isn’t the only language of value [it will happen].”

It didn’t take many years. Balvin almost got to No. 1 with “Mi gente,” and now has made it with “I Like It,” which no doubt was aided by plays in Latin stations in its ascent.

The time is now.

[imbondz]

Disagree with that article. The only reason Despacito was a hit with legs was because of Bieber. Only reason I Like It is a hit is because of Cardi B and a very recognizable, cool sample. When a Latin artist has a #1 in Spanish without a feature then get back to me.

[Gary]

LOL

So we credit Beiber & Cardi B for the increased interest in Latin music, and not the Latin artists themselves?

Or, since the two biggest Latin hits had nothing to do with Latin artists, is the timing of the increase in # of hits just a coincidence?

[Deleted]

Jul 3, 2018 13:06:03 GMT -5 renaboss said:

So I guess I was wrong about people flocking towards whatever song on "Scorpion" is better, cos "Nonstop" is really nothing to write home about. I'm just awful at predicting things really.

Somebody else reminded me the other day that it's often the first song on the album that gets the most love during release week.  Nonstop is the 2nd track but 1st full-on song on the album, I guess.  It could be that simple.  We'll find out what happens to Nonstop in its 2nd week soon enough.

[slw84]

Jul 3, 2018 14:24:15 GMT -5 Gary said:

LOL

So we credit Beiber & Cardi B for the increased interest in Latin music, and not the Latin artists themselves?

Or, since the two biggest Latin hits had nothing to do with Latin artists, is the timing of the increase in # of hits just a coincidence?

Cardi and Bieber will probably be credit for increasing accessibility of latin music.

I think Despacito was already aiming for top 20 so I guess it was a hit on its own.

I'm here for the latin explosion a la 1999 but I doubt it'll happen

Best bet is pop/latin or urban latin collabs so both sides can cross new boundaries

[Gary]

Despacito rose to #1 because of the Bieber remix, it stayed for 16 weeks because of the song

We will see what 'I Like It' does

[Leo ✔]

Jul 3, 2018 13:33:22 GMT -5 Gary said:

Cardi B, real name Belcalis Marlenis Almanzar, was born in the Bronx to a Dominican father and a Trinidanian mother. Her Spanish-rapping collaborators are a Colombian (Balvin) and a Puerto Rican (Bad Bunny); the former learned English in the U.S. as an exchange student, and the latter is just learning how to speak the language now. 

[imbondz]

Jul 3, 2018 14:24:15 GMT -5 Gary said:

LOL

So we credit Beiber & Cardi B for the increased interest in Latin music, and not the Latin artists themselves?

100%. Tell me 2-3 other recent Latin crossover hits that didn’t have a feature of a huge artist.

[imbondz]

Take the bi-lingual rapping out of I Like It, just have Cardi B, it’s still a hit.

Take Cardi B out, you’d never have heard the song.

[Gary]

Jul 3, 2018 14:56:53 GMT -5 imbondz said:

Jul 3, 2018 14:24:15 GMT -5 Gary said:

LOL

So we credit Beiber & Cardi B for the increased interest in Latin music, and not the Latin artists themselves?

100%. Tell me 2-3 other recent Latin crossover hits that didn’t have a feature of a huge artist.

Jul 3, 2018 13:33:22 GMT -5 Gary said:

The Times Have Changed: What 'I Like It' Hitting No. 1 Means to Latin Music

News

By Leila Cobo | July 03, 2018 11:50 AM EDT
Bad Bunny, Cardi B and J Balvin



Only three Spanish-language songs got on the Hot 100 in 2015 (including Nicky Jam and Enrique Iglesias’ “El perdon”) and in 2016. In 2017, an explosion: 17 tracks in Spanish or mostly in Spanish (they include “Mi gente” and “Despacito”) got onto the Hot 100. So far in 2018, there have been 13. If things continue the way they have, there will likely be a minimum of 20 Spanish or predominantly Spanish songs on the Hot 100 by the end of the year.

Cool - Justin Bieber not only gets sole credit for the popularity of Despacito but the charting of the 30 other tracks in the last year and a half as well. (save for the current #1 which is Cardi B)

[imbondz]

What # did El Perdon go to? Even Enrique can’t get a big hit anymore. Mi Gente went top 3 cause of Beyoncé.

Those other songs may have made the top 100 but they weren’t ‘hits’.

[rickroller]

The only latin song i enjoyed in 2017-18 is 'Dura'; the reasons was 'dura' meaning 'bitch' in russian. 'Te Bote is also a little likeable thing. The other latin songs are just meh & simplish for me.

[Gary]

Jul 3, 2018 15:08:08 GMT -5 imbondz said:

What # did El Perdon go to? Even Enrique can’t get a big hit anymore. Mi Gente went top 3 cause of Beyoncé.

Those other songs may have made the top 100 but they weren’t ‘hits’.

OK then let's stop here. -- No reason to drag that out. 

The definition of a "hit" I am not going to get into. Some have narrow views of what a "hit" is, I suppose.

I think the reasons for the increased interest in Latin Music on the english-speaking pop charts being attributed to Justin Bieber and more recently Cardi B, also a little narrow.

[Kris]

GLY spends a 4th week at #1 in Canada, does anyone know the formula for streaming for other charts? I feel like the US Hot 100's streaming is more dominant than others, that or we like rap less than America.

[Au$tin]

Jul 3, 2018 15:08:08 GMT -5 imbondz said:

What # did El Perdon go to? Even Enrique can’t get a big hit anymore. Mi Gente went top 3 cause of Beyoncé.

Those other songs may have made the top 100 but they weren’t ‘hits’.

Here's the thing, though. We can argue all day long what constitutes a "hit" until our faces turn blue, but that doesn't matter at all in this context. The number of charting Latin songs has increased by quite a lot in three years. That's something you can't deny no matter how you slice it! That is proof popularity in Latin music is increasing. "Despacito," by the way, was well on its way to becoming a minor hit on its own before Bieber hopped on it. "Despacito" and "I Like It" are special since they utilized non-Latin artists to make the songs more accessible, but that still doesn't negate the fact more Latin songs are charting. Using established artists to get hits in a niche genre is usually a sign said genre is going to become more mainstream later, and all evidence is supporting this slowly happening. We probably aren't very far away from an all Spanish song making the top 40 ("X" almost did!), and from there it'll only get bigger until the next phase of music comes along.

[Keelzit]

Latin songs sung by latin artists might slowly becoming mainstream but I don't think Despacito being the biggest hit out of them is random. If a big name is not attached to a latin song, not enough people will check it out to send it new heights. Before the JB remix, I was aware of that Despacito song everyone was talking about but I didn't bother checking it out because I knew what I was going to get and those type of songs don't interest me in the slightest bit. Then when I saw the JB remix on my recommended list I was triggered so I played it. It was exactly what I thought it'd be so I never listened to it again but, obviously, that wasn't the case with the majority of the world since it dominated for so many months. People liked the song itself (with or without JB) but if it wasn't for that 'featuring Justin Bieber', it wouldn't draw as much attention as it did. Same thing happened with Mi Gente when Bey hopped on it. I Like It is a different case cause it's not primarily sung in Spanish but let's say it was a Bad Bunny & J Balvin song originally; it would hover in the top 40 for a few weeks and the minute a Cardi remix was released it would jump into the top 10. Those are facts (except the last one) so I don't see how some say that the latin genre itself is currently 'big' in the US. If that was the case you'd see pure latin songs without a big American name attached to them in the top 20. And tbh I think the latin trend of the last 2 years will be just that. A trend that won't last long and will fade when there won't be any Biebers, Beys and Cardis catering to it. Similar to the 'dubstep' drop during the bridge of pop songs in 2011-2012. The delulus were saying BRITNEY MADE DUBSTEP MAINSTREAM1!@!!11! but no, that was far from the truth as it turned out that it was just a phase.

[nick64]

A little off topic, but not sure where else I would post it.

Was looking through this week’s genre charts, and thought of a few changes they should make:

1) Expand Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs to 100 songs. It’s basically just half of the Hot 100 in its current form, no real point in even looking at it. Hip-hop is just too at the forefront of music these days to keep its genre chart at the same level.

2) Add a Hot Pop Songs chart. Always baffled me why they never did this. It would basically just include everything that doesn’t fit in one of the other charts. One this week would look something like this based on the Hot 100 and Bubbling Under:
1. Girls like You
2. No Tears Left to Cry
3. Mine
4. Perfect
5. Delicate
6. Friends
7. In My Blood
8. Never Be the Same
9. Back to You
10. Love Lies
11. Havana
12. New Rules
13. I Like Me Better
14. Wait
15. Youngblood
16. Sober
17. Alone
18. Done for Me
19. Fake Love
20. Lovely
21. The Light Is Coming
22. Growing Pains
23. I’m a Mess
24. Sober Up
Room for another 26 songs, meaning a huge opportunity for lesser known artists to get a break.

[85la]

^ They did used to do exactly those two things. The R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart used to be 100 positions, they cut it down recently I guess due to Billboard's lower profits, downsizing, and I guess maybe because of the genre being less prominent earlier this decade, but now that it's more popular than ever, maybe they can expand it again. Sometimes though they cut down the charts that you can view for free, so the full 100 still might be available on the paid Billboard.biz site and the print issues, I haven't checked those in a while.

They did have a Pop 100 chart for roughly 4 years from 2005-2009, which at that time I believe measured Pop airplay and digital sales. Not quite sure why they got rid of it, maybe because it started to look too similar to the Hot 100.

[pnobelysk]

Jul 3, 2018 20:10:17 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Latin songs sung by latin artists might slowly becoming mainstream but I don't think Despacito being the biggest hit out of them is random. If a big name is not attached to a latin song, not enough people will check it out to send it new heights. Before the JB remix, I was aware of that Despacito song everyone was talking about but I didn't bother checking it out because I knew what I was going to get and those type of songs don't interest me in the slightest bit. Then when I saw the JB remix on my recommended list I was triggered so I played it. It was exactly what I thought it'd be so I never listened to it again but, obviously, that wasn't the case with the majority of the world since it dominated for so many months. People liked the song itself (with or without JB) but if it wasn't for that 'featuring Justin Bieber', it wouldn't draw as much attention as it did. Same thing happened with Mi Gente when Bey hopped on it. I Like It is a different case cause it's not primarily sung in Spanish but let's say it was a Bad Bunny & J Balvin song originally; it would hover in the top 40 for a few weeks and the minute a Cardi remix was released it would jump into the top 10. Those are facts (except the last one) so I don't see how some say that the latin genre itself is currently 'big' in the US. If that was the case you'd see pure latin songs without a big American name attached to them in the top 20. And tbh I think the latin trend of the last 2 years will be just that. A trend that won't last long and will fade when there won't be any Biebers, Beys and Cardis catering to it. Similar to the 'dubstep' drop during the bridge of pop songs in 2011-2012. The delulus were saying BRITNEY MADE DUBSTEP MAINSTREAM1!@!!11! but no, that was far from the truth as it turned out that it was just a phase.

I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but want to point out mi gente actually went top 20 before the Beyoncé version came out.

[rainie]

Jul 3, 2018 23:04:29 GMT -5 85la said:

^ They did used to do exactly those two things. The R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart used to be 100 positions, they cut it down recently I guess due to Billboard's lower profits, downsizing, and I guess maybe because of the genre being less prominent earlier this decade, but now that it's more popular than ever, maybe they can expand it again. Sometimes though they cut down the charts that you can view for free, so the full 100 still might be available on the paid Billboard.biz site and the print issues, I haven't checked those in a while.

They did have a Pop 100 chart for roughly 4 years from 2005-2009, which at that time I believe measured Pop airplay and digital sales. Not quite sure why they got rid of it, maybe because it started to look too similar to the Hot 100.

I believe the reason they got rid of it was just that, it started to look too similar to the hot 100. Now is a great time to bring it back though imo.

[ahmiizafii]

Wow it's a long thread.

[Enigma.]

I find this English vs. Latin discussion pretty weird.

I mean there's nothing wrong with singing in the language people are familiar with.

If a Finnish act sings in English, it's still a Finnish song.

If a Spanish act sings in English (Enrique for example), it's still a Spanish song.

Songs don't have to be sung in Spanish or Portuguese to be Latin songs.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

Jul 3, 2018 12:57:27 GMT -5 davidjl123 said:

Total Hot 100 Hits for 2018, including features

Post Malone (20)
Cardi B (19)
Migos (15)
J. Cole (12)
XXXTentacion (12)
Logic (11)
Kanye West (11)
Khalid (10)
Nicki Minaj (10)
Drake (8)
Huncho Jack (7)
Kendrick Lamar (7)
The Weeknd (7)
Travis Scott (7)
6ix9ine (7)
Kids See Ghosts (7)
SZA (5)
Taylor Swift (5)
Swae Lee (5)
Lil Yachty (5)
YoungBoy Never Broke Again (5)
Ozuna (5)
Lil Uzi Vert (5)
Imagine Dragons (5)
The Carters (5)
Demi Lovato (5)
Ed Sheeran (4)
Eminem (4)
21 Savage (4)
Justin Timberlake (4)
Marshmello (4)
Chris Brown (4)
Bad Bunny (4)
Lil Baby (4)
ASAP Rocky (4)
YG (4)
Big Sean (4)
Offset (4)
Pusha T (4)
Florida Georgia Line (4)
Lil Skies (4)
2 Chainz (4)

Drake will rise to 30 assuming all songs from Scorpion chart. Kanye West would have 18 if songs with Kids See Ghosts are counted, Travis Scott 14 with Huncho Jack, Beyoncé 8 with The Carters, etc.

Hey nickd, if we removed all hip-hop artists, artists with penises and Demi Lovato, Taylor Swift has the most chart hits this year!

[Mayman]

Jul 4, 2018 4:07:05 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I find this English vs. Latin discussion pretty weird.

I mean there's nothing wrong with singing in the language people are familiar with.

If a Finnish act sings in English, it's still a Finnish song.

If a Spanish act sings in English (Enrique for example), it's still a Spanish song.

Songs don't have to be sung in Spanish or Portuguese to be Latin songs.

An example of this could be Havana.

[Baby Yoda Hot100Fan]

Jul 4, 2018 4:07:05 GMT -5 Enigma. said:

I find this English vs. Latin discussion pretty weird.

I mean there's nothing wrong with singing in the language people are familiar with.

If a Finnish act sings in English, it's still a Finnish song.

If a Spanish act sings in English (Enrique for example), it's still a Spanish song.

Songs don't have to be sung in Spanish or Portuguese to be Latin songs.

Agreed. It is in good part a style of music issue. I mean, Miami Sound Machine and Gloria Estefan as well as Jennifer Lopez, Jon Secada and Marc Anthony, as an example, have had songs in English that were heavily Latin influenced. I remember, in particular, there was a version of Anything for You that had some lyrics in Spanish and English.

[kanfad]

How is this thread still going?

[noober]

Jul 4, 2018 7:01:52 GMT -5 kanfad said:

How is this thread still going?

This thread is legend