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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jul 9, 2018 16:39:56 GMT -5
What is so special about Drake anyways? Hopefully Billboard will change their streaming rules with Drake's takeover. When he's beating such a mighty record held by The Beatles, The Frickin Beatles, something's got to be done. What do you mean? It's not like the chart is measured the same way now as it was then. It's not like Drake's achievements somehow undoes anything the Beatles did. It's not like Adele/Gaga/Britney/N Sync/Thriller/etc wouldn't have already broken half the records already had Billboard had a way to measure music consumption from album sales for the Hot 100 the way it does with streaming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:46:39 GMT -5
To get 6 #1's from an album you will need to no longer make all singles available from day 1 as they are now with the streaming platform. You would have to go back to the old-school way of making consumers pay money for the album, or pay an album fee to stream. and release singles to streaming one at a time. And be relevant enough to be able to do that and get away with it while having people care. It’s doable though. Drake, or any big name act, can release an album the traditional way (cd and maybe digital) but limit streaming to only the singles as they come out and go back to focusing on one song every 3 months. Isn't this what Taylor did with reputation? |
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Post by filthy on Jul 9, 2018 16:49:02 GMT -5
What is so special about Drake anyways? Hopefully Billboard will change their streaming rules with Drake's takeover. When he's beating such a mighty record held by The Beatles, The Frickin Beatles, something's got to be done. What do you mean? It's not like the chart is measured the same way now as it was then. It's not like Drake's achievements somehow undoes anything the Beatles did. It's not like Adele/Gaga/Britney/N Sync/Thriller/etc wouldn't have already broken half the records already had Billboard had a way to measure music consumption from album sales for the Hot 100 the way it does with streaming. But as someone pointed out on Facebook: ''You let each single set of 10 songs count as an album and then you ALSO let them chart individually just due to streams. Double dipping. What a freaking joke. It’s a record on a trade chart that no longer has any credibility''This caught my attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 16:57:49 GMT -5
*pretends to be shocked*
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Post by Gary on Jul 9, 2018 17:01:55 GMT -5
If you change the rules to limit how many songs an artist can chart with in a single week, you no longer have a popularity chart
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Post by Gary on Jul 9, 2018 17:03:53 GMT -5
Michael Jackson Earns 30th Hot 100 Top 10 as Featured on Drake's 'Don't Matter to Me'
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By Xander Zellner | July 09, 2018 5:50 PM EDT
The single becomes Jackson's fourth posthumous Hot 100 hit.
Nine years after his death in 2009, Michael Jackson is back on the Billboard Hot 100 posthumously for the fourth time, as he debuts at No. 9 on the chart (dated July 14) as the featured artist on Drake's "Don't Matter to Me."
The song, now being promoted to pop radio by Republic Records, is from Drake's album Scorpion, which launches at No. 1 on the Billboard 200 with the biggest week of consumption for an album in 2018.
"Matter" features previously unreleased vocals from Jackson, which were originally recorded in 1983.
The new song becomes Jackson's 30th solo Hot 100 top 10, making him one of just five artists to reach the milestone in the chart's 59-year history. Madonna leads with 38, followed by The Beatles (34) and Drake and Rihanna (31 each). Drake also breaks the barrier of at least 30 top 10s this week, as he adds five to his résumé: "Nonstop" (No. 2), "In My Feelings" (No. 6), "I'm Upset" (No. 7), "Emotionless" (No. 8) and "Matter" (No. 9).
(Along with his 30 solo Hot 100 top 10s, The Jackson 5/Jacksons scored 11 top 10s with Jackson as a member.)
"Matter" is Jackson's fourth posthumous Hot 100 entry. It follows "Hold My Hand," his 2011 duet with Akon that reached No. 39; "Love Never Felt So Good," his 2014 co-billed collab with Justin Timberlake that rose to No. 9; and "Slave to the Rhythm," a solo track that debuted and peaked at No. 45 in 2014.
Notably, "Matter" is Jackson's first Hot 100 hit (among 51 total) on which he is billed as a featured artist; 41 are unaccompanied, while nine are duets.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 17:03:55 GMT -5
If this was 2007, Drake would have probably had only 2 songs in the top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 17:05:15 GMT -5
Yes because has gradually gotten bigger since then
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 9, 2018 17:32:31 GMT -5
11 Boo'd Up 15 No Tears Left To Cry 16 Lucid Dream 50 This Is America 100 I Lived It I'm really happy "TIA" was able to get to #1, but I'd imagine it will be near the very bottom of the all-time lists for #1s. Its longevity is poor in general, but particularly during this time of streaming. So, on the weighted all-time chart, it will be down there with the AI singles. |
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Post by rainie on Jul 9, 2018 17:44:22 GMT -5
11 Boo'd Up 15 No Tears Left To Cry 16 Lucid Dream 50 This Is America 100 I Lived It I'm really happy "TIA" was able to get to #1, but I'd imagine it will be near the very bottom of the all-time lists for #1s. Its longevity is poor in general, but particularly during this time of streaming. So, on the weighted all-time chart, it will be down there with the AI singles. Agreed, though you have to realize that the reason it got pushed down this far is because of the album bomb. It should rebound next week and should easily make it to 20 weeks (though idk how much further). |
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Post by Az Paynter on Jul 9, 2018 17:59:16 GMT -5
Is it bad that I'm lowkey lolling over 'Nonstop' not debuting at #1? People seemed to be so hyped for it and it didn't happen. :kii:
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 9, 2018 18:05:07 GMT -5
Lol @ This Is America falling to #50
I never really liked the song to begin with, so I'm not sad
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Post by kanfad on Jul 9, 2018 18:08:25 GMT -5
Is it bad that I'm lowkey lolling over 'Nonstop' not debuting at #1? People seemed to be so hyped for it and it didn't happen.  It didnt but at least it makes Nice For What even more iconic. Only song in hot 100 history to reach number one 4 times. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 9, 2018 18:15:23 GMT -5
Is it bad that I'm lowkey lolling over 'Nonstop' not debuting at #1? People seemed to be so hyped for it and it didn't happen. People already assigned him 5 number ones from one album, so I'm glad Nonstop debuted at #2. |
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Post by slw84 on Jul 9, 2018 18:20:16 GMT -5
I'm gonna make a bold prediction: In My Feelings will be the third and last Scorpion #1. The other tracks will not be able to sustain these numbers while radio catches up. They'll have videos and radio adds... Good. In my feelings for a summer bop and VMAs performance The MJ song for fall bop and a AMAs performance Mariah song for a winter hymn and a grammy performance Summer games closes the era late spring at the billboard awards |
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Post by lazer on Jul 9, 2018 18:20:27 GMT -5
Is it bad that I'm lowkey lolling over 'Nonstop' not debuting at #1? People seemed to be so hyped for it and it didn't happen. Nonstop debuted at #2 is the most hilarious thing I've seen today. Thank goodness it didn't hit #1, there is nothing special about that song. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 9, 2018 18:33:47 GMT -5
Good. In my feelings for a summer bop and VMAs performance The MJ song for fall bop and a AMAs performance Mariah song for a winter hymn and a grammy performance Summer games closes the era late spring at the billboard awards Every song from this album for every season in the next 5 years.  |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 9, 2018 18:57:23 GMT -5
Is it bad that I'm lowkey lolling over 'Nonstop' not debuting at #1? People seemed to be so hyped for it and it didn't happen. People already assigned him 5 number ones from one album, so I'm glad Nonstop debuted at #2. yeah damn those people for making a pretty sensible prediction 🤷🏾♂️ |
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Post by Gary on Jul 9, 2018 19:16:11 GMT -5
When you are at two and you are projecting three number ones in the future, there are other words for that type of prediction.
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Post by Golden Bluebird on Jul 9, 2018 19:18:05 GMT -5
It's worth mentioning that, in addition to new streaming rules put in place, there's also this.
Now, Billboard didn't clarify exactly what changes they are making with the formula but I'm pretty sure they're increasing the weight in sales since they've done this a few times before.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 9, 2018 19:18:30 GMT -5
I'm really happy "TIA" was able to get to #1, but I'd imagine it will be near the very bottom of the all-time lists for #1s. Its longevity is poor in general, but particularly during this time of streaming. So, on the weighted all-time chart, it will be down there with the AI singles. Agreed, though you have to realize that the reason it got pushed down this far is because of the album bomb. It should rebound next week and should easily make it to 20 weeks (though idk how much further). Yeah but even 20 weeks is really low for a hit these days. |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Jul 9, 2018 19:21:07 GMT -5
I guess streaming was really made for someone like Drake. All the hype, come this album bomb. And This Is America down to #50? Gee, that's surprising.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 9, 2018 19:21:13 GMT -5
It's worth mentioning that, in addition to new streaming rules put in place, there's also this. Now, Billboard didn't clarify exactly what changes they are making with the formula but I'm pretty sure they're increasing the weight in sales since they've done this a few times before. It is so weird to me that they would increase the weight of a dying metric. It would be one thing if streaming were taking off but sales were still solid so they were sort of balancing it out, but sales are nearly meaningless so why try to make fetch happen? |
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Post by jebsib on Jul 9, 2018 19:27:40 GMT -5
They increased the weight of a dying metric before (sales in the late 90s).
It was always counter-intuitive to me.
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Post by jenglisbe on Jul 9, 2018 19:31:14 GMT -5
They increased the weight of a dying metric before (sales in the late 90s). It was always counter-intuitive to me. Well, in the late 90s songs that had commercial singles could still sell really well and affect the Hot 100. Songs now do not sell well, and even the #1 in sales can be low on the overall chart. I don't see them as the same. Now, if the weight of sales in, say, 2003 was increased, I'd see that as b.s. |
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Post by jayhawk1117 on Jul 9, 2018 20:25:33 GMT -5
When you are at two and you are projecting three number ones in the future, there are other words for that type of prediction. Two songs were tracking for number one. One debuted at 2, and the other is the more than likely the next number one. Its not like this is the week Nice for what debuted and everyone's going "teenage dream and bad are shook". I think it was less assigning the album 5 number ones and more of there's a very clear path to 5 |
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Post by lazer on Jul 9, 2018 20:29:29 GMT -5
Could 2018 be the year with the most debuts?
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Jul 9, 2018 20:31:32 GMT -5
Could 2018 be the year with the most debuts? Within Top 10? It's likely a yes. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 9, 2018 20:34:25 GMT -5
When you are at two and you are projecting three number ones in the future, there are other words for that type of prediction. Two songs were tracking for number one. One debuted at 2, and the other is the more than likely the next number one. Its not like this is the week Nice for what debuted and everyone's going "teenage dream and bad are shook". I think it was less assigning the album 5 number ones and more of there's a very clear path to 5 I understand - however, it was and still is predicting 3 #1's into the future Not knocking the right to make the prediction and have fun with it. When the conversation shifts from "what if" and "it could happen", to #3 and #4 are on lock and all that is left is for the label to pick #5....then well..... |
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 9, 2018 20:36:02 GMT -5
Drake has the most Top 10 hits in a single year with 10.
He managed to earn 2 Top 10's in his debut year of 2009, which means he's earned 29 Top 10 hits over the course of the decade. As he earns his 31st Top 10, he ties Rihanna, it took Rih 12 years to earn her 31st while it took Drake only 9. At this rate Drake is gonna pass Rihanna (unless of course she drops some big tracks soon) and he will likely pass Madonna in a few years.
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