Billboard Hot 100: 10/13/18

[85la]

Oct 8, 2018 13:09:19 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

My only issue with radio is... I know not that many people are listening to the radio anymore. And I know the “older folks” argument but still let’s be real here there’s no way it’s pulling in that much audience impressions

Hmm, do you have proof?

Their audience measurements are based on pretty sound scientific and mathematical measurements. It's not exact, but usually these types of measurements are within a margin of error of +/- a couple percentage points, so it's pretty darn close.

More so than yours, which seem to be just a hunch, or wishful thinking based on your own personal preference.

[tanooki]

Oct 8, 2018 19:27:39 GMT -5 livelightning said:

Oct 8, 2018 16:21:50 GMT -5 Codex said:

The #2 song in America is #76 on iTunes and has 0 airplay. What's your point?

Because streaming is way more popular than sales and radio. It is by far the most popular way people consume music. That's the point. Billboard weights sales and radio way more than they really should be. 

THANK YOU

Especially radio. My issue with weighing the format so heavily is that it's passive listening. When I go into a store and music is playing over the intercom, should that be tracked and every person in the store counts as an audience impression? I'm not dissing the format for what it is or the audience who listens to it, but radio picks what songs play and that shouldn't mean more than streaming where the listener picks the songs.

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Oct 8, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Seriously what is it with all the hate for Perfect? You have ONE pop song dominating in the top 25, it's not like it's been #1 for this long or anything, depart, which by the way, is about wholesome love, happiness, respect, female empowerment, yet you have these LOADS of other rap songs about crime, murder, mysogyny, homophobia, beating your pregnant girlfriend, pedophilia (that's the shortlist), dominating almost the rest of the ENTIRE chart. Aren't you morally-deficient s**theads happy enough?!!!!!

THIS. It was fucking in the top 25, not at #1 for 40 weeks.

[amore]

Oct 8, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Seriously what is it with all the hate for Perfect? You have ONE pop song dominating in the top 25, it's not like it's been #1 for this long or anything, depart, which by the way, is about wholesome love, happiness, respect, female empowerment, yet you have these LOADS of other rap songs about crime, murder, mysogyny, homophobia, beating your pregnant girlfriend, pedophilia (that's the shortlist), dominating almost the rest of the ENTIRE chart. Aren't you morally-deficient s**theads happy enough?!!!!!

THANK YOU. I miss pop dominating. All these boring mumble songs are stupid.

[Rose "Payola" Nylund]

I miss variety

[thegreatdivine]

Um, sorry guys, but do any of you have the full list of where each song off Tha Carter V debuted on the Hot 100?

[iHype.]

Oct 8, 2018 21:30:50 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Um, sorry guys, but do any of you have the full list of where each song off Tha Carter V debuted on the Hot 100?

Hot 100 Rank, Title
No. 2, "Mona Lisa," feat. Kendrick Lamar
No. 5, "Don't Cry," feat. XXXTentacion
No. 7, "Uproar"
No. 10, "Let It Fly," feat. Travis Scott
No. 14, "Dedicate"
No. 17, "Can't Be Broken"
No. 24, "What About Me," feat. Sosamann
No. 26, "Dark Side of the Moon," feat. Nicki Minaj
No. 36, "Famous," feat. Reginae Carter
No. 39, "Dope N****z," feat. Snoop Dogg
No. 47, "Open Letter"
No. 57, "Problems"
No. 59, "Hittas"
No. 62, "Open Safe"
No. 65, "Took His Time"
No. 74, "Mess"
No. 75, "Let It All Work Out"
No. 76, "Start This S**t Off Right," feat. Ashanti & Mack Maine
No. 78, "Used 2"
No. 81, "Demon"
No. 86, "Perfect Strangers"
No. 90, "Dope New Gospel," featuring Nivea

[thegreatdivine]

Thanks, guys. The lowest song on Scorpion's album bomb was at #60, right?

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Oct 8, 2018 21:35:57 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Thanks, guys. The lowest song on Scorpion's album bomb was at #60, right?

#57 March 14

Drake's Record-Breaking 27 Songs on the Hot 100 This Week

[livelightning]

Oct 8, 2018 20:53:42 GMT -5 amore said:

Oct 8, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Seriously what is it with all the hate for Perfect? You have ONE pop song dominating in the top 25, it's not like it's been #1 for this long or anything, depart, which by the way, is about wholesome love, happiness, respect, female empowerment, yet you have these LOADS of other rap songs about crime, murder, mysogyny, homophobia, beating your pregnant girlfriend, pedophilia (that's the shortlist), dominating almost the rest of the ENTIRE chart. Aren't you morally-deficient s**theads happy enough?!!!!!

THANK YOU. I miss pop dominating. All these boring mumble songs are stupid.

Lmao. Barely any of the songs in the chart are about the things you mentioned. Also, your taste in music has nothing to do with morality. People just like the songs. The topic doesn't matter. People don't have to think the same way you do. There are also a lot of people like me who like Perfect as well as the rap songs. You're making a big deal out of nothing. 

[owenlovesmusic]

Dope New Gospel is dope

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 8, 2018 21:41:51 GMT -5 Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ said:

Oct 8, 2018 21:35:57 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Thanks, guys. The lowest song on Scorpion's album bomb was at #60, right?

#57 March 14

Drake's Record-Breaking 27 Songs on the Hot 100 This Week

Oh, wow. Yo, Drake's album bomb was really an album BOMB. 12 top 20 songs. 20 top 40 songs. Never really checked how the rest of the songs out of the top 10 did till now. That was crazy. Thanks.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 8, 2018 20:53:42 GMT -5 amore said:

Oct 8, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5 85la said:

Seriously what is it with all the hate for Perfect? You have ONE pop song dominating in the top 25, it's not like it's been #1 for this long or anything, depart, which by the way, is about wholesome love, happiness, respect, female empowerment, yet you have these LOADS of other rap songs about crime, murder, mysogyny, homophobia, beating your pregnant girlfriend, pedophilia (that's the shortlist), dominating almost the rest of the ENTIRE chart. Aren't you morally-deficient s**theads happy enough?!!!!!

THANK YOU. I miss pop dominating. All these boring mumble songs are stupid.

85la I'm guessing you deleted your original post because you realised how close-minded and silly you sounded. You just hate rap music and wish pop music would dominate more and that's where all your anger is coming from. Drake, Cardi and Post Malone are the three people who have mostly dominated the charts this year. Then there have been several other rappers who have had album bombs, none of which fit into the categories you mentioned. You sound silly lumping every rapper into those categories and then bringing up morality as a reason why they shouldn't be charting. The pure pop songs from white singers are pristine and harmless, but the rap music from the big bad black people causes all the damage in the world. I hope you're not white because then your post would be that much more messy. Rap music is the most popular genre in music now and that isn't changing anytime soon and people like you are just gonna have to deal with that. Rap fans didn't complain during the years only pop stars scored real hits on the charts. The most popular and successful rappers don't rap about any of the mess you mentioned.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 8, 2018 21:46:41 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

Dope New Gospel is dope

It's surprising to me, the number of times I've gone back to listen to songs off that album. It's grown on me a lot.

[kanfad]

Oct 8, 2018 19:04:44 GMT -5 jtd Thee Stallion said:

God’s Plan and Perfect leaving this week is like the ending of a love story lol.

didn't Nice for What also go recurrent

[Naos]

Dropouts (with peaks and weeks):
- "God's Plan" by Drake (#1, 36 weeks)
- "Nice For What" by Drake (#1, 25 weeks)
- "Perfect" by Ed Sheeran (#1, 57 weeks)
- "Apeshit" by The Carters (#13, 15 weeks)
- "All Girls Are The Same" by Juice WRLD (#41, 20 weeks)
- "Lean Wit Me" by Juice WRLD (#68, 8 weeks)
- "Barbie Dreams" by Nicki Minaj (#18, 7 weeks)
- "Yosemite" by Travis Scott (#24, 8 weeks)
- "Stargazing" by Travis Scott (#8 peak, 8 weeks)
- "Life Changes" by Thomas Rhett (#36 peak, 14 weeks)
- "Desperate Man" by Eric Church (#71 peak, 9 weeks)
- "Hooked" by Dylan Scott (#48, 11 weeks)
- "OTW" by Khalid, Ty Dolla $ign & 6LACK (#57, 18 weeks)
- "Solo" by Clean Bandit ft. Demi Lovato (#58, 13 weeks)
- "Remind Me to Forget" by Kygo & Miguel (#62, 11 weeks)
- "Noticed" by Lil Mosey (#83, 4 weeks)
- "This Feeling" by The Chainsmokers ft. Kelsea Ballerini (#71, 1 week)
- "BEBE" by 6ix9ine ft. Anuel AA (#30, 4 weeks)
- "Hopeless Romantic" by Wiz Khalifa ft. Swae Lee (#72, 7 weeks)
- "Rich" by Maren Morris (#95, 1 week)
- "Backin' It Up" by Pardison Fontaine ft. Cardi B (#92, 1 week)
- "The Ringer" by Eminem (#8, 4 weeks)
- "Fall" by Eminem (#12, 4 weeks)
- "Thunderclouds" by LSD (#67, 4 weeks)
- "Self Care" by Mac Miller (#33, 3 weeks)
- "Vaina Loca" by Ozuna & Manuel Turizo (#94, 2 weeks)

Think I got them all. 25 dropouts... A quarter of the chart.

[korbel16]

Only 4 reccurrents, didn’t change things up that bad. Even tho the 3/4 reccurents were the biggest hits this year.

[Naos]

Oct 8, 2018 23:16:51 GMT -5 korbel16 said:

Only 4 reccurrents, didn’t change things up that bad. Even tho the 3/4 reccurents were the biggest hits this year.

I don't see most of these dropouts coming back though. Especially the country ones.

[lugus15]

How is exactly Mona Lisa above Lucid Dreams when LD has +70 million AI and almost the same or pretty close to 40 million Streaming?

[85la]

Oct 8, 2018 21:58:23 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 8, 2018 20:53:42 GMT -5 amore said:

THANK YOU. I miss pop dominating. All these boring mumble songs are stupid.

85la I'm guessing you deleted your original post because you realised how close-minded and silly you sounded. You just hate rap music and wish pop music would dominate more and that's where all your anger is coming from. Drake, Cardi and Post Malone are the three people who have mostly dominated the charts this year. Then there have been several other rappers who have had album bombs, none of which fit into the categories you mentioned. You sound silly lumping every rapper into those categories and then bringing up morality as a reason why they shouldn't be charting. The pure pop songs from white singers are pristine and harmless, but the rap music from the big bad black people causes all the damage in the world. I hope you're not white because then your post would be that much more messy. Rap music is the most popular genre in music now and that isn't changing anytime soon and people like you are just gonna have to deal with that. Rap fans didn't complain during the years only pop stars scored real hits on the charts. The most popular and successful rappers don't rap about any of the mess you mentioned.

I deleted my original post because it was made out of an impulsive burst of anger. I had hoped it would have deleted it where people quoted it too, but i guess it doesn't work that way. I regret my original post and some of the way I said the things I said. If the mods can help me to delete it where people quoted it too, that would help, but if not, then so well then, I guess everything we post on the net remains forever for everyone to see right?... My original thinking still stands though, and many of the things you're implying of what I was thinking and saying aren't true. For the record I am actually multi-racial, so I don't quite know how to define myself "racially," and to be honest, though they often are, things aren't always about race, and it is very possible for ANY racial group (which is an arbitrary social construct anyway) to inflict hatred and oppression against any other racial group (and this is coming from a pretty solidly progressive liberal, who by the way actually votes unlike many of you other young people who wish to see change but for some unknown reason are careless to do the one, simple thing once or twice a year that would actually enact this type of change). I was exaggerating when I said all the other songs are by immoral rappers who make music about violence, mysogyny, homophobia, etc., but just by a very objective analysis of the lyrics of at least some of these songs, these themes are quite common and you cannot refute are at least somewhat problematic and can have a profound affect on how people perceive any group of people that performs this type of music, as well as at least to some degree affect peoples' thoughts and behavior themselves. It's also important to note that this is just gangsta rap, there are other types of rap by many other artists, such as the socially conscious variety by Common and Talib Kweli, that do not get promoted by labels because they don't sell as much and there's not the demand for them by the public (of whatever race they may be, young white men consume quite a bit of rap), so this does say a lot about the public itself. I'm not saying that other genres sung by traditionally white artists also have these same themes, they definitely do, especially rock I would say, but as much or more than gangsta rap? I'm not sure.

But your conclusion that I only like and am trying to defend these "pure pop white pristine" singers and trying to take down the "big bad black" rappers is also false and is in itself prejudiced and narrow-minded (Personally, one of the rappers I actually have a problem with the most is Eminem because of his well-known homophobic lyrics). I've been on this board much longer than you, and if you dig way back to some of my earlier posts when I first joined in 2007 (though this might have been on UKMix when I used to post there more, so I will say it now), I was actually one of the few who defended a formula change Billboard made then that decreased the weight of digital sales by half, effectively giving much more weight to airplay, which was heavily dominated by Hip-Hop and R&B at the time, even though I didn't like those genres as much as pop, I thought it was fair because it was an accurate representation of what the public was listening to, and I still think radio should be, when maybe you have 50k downloads of a song but 100 million listening to another, clearly the latter is far, far more listened to, and very possibly, in general, liked more.

I definitely do not hate all rap music. It's more complicated than that. As I said I was exaggerating about the lyrics and much of them are more innocent, and even when they are not, I actually like a lot of rap songs when they are more melodic or have an interesting beat, and though the lyrics might be problematic sometimes, they do actually show a lot more creativity and depth than most pop songs. It's a source of cognitive dissonance for me, as sometimes the lyrics bother me but I do like and can jam out to a lot of the songs, and quite very often, root for them on the charts as well. I have problems with pop too, such as being ageist, in certain ways misogynistic, and featuring singers with questionable voices. I actually like all kinds of music. In terms of Ed's song, I was just a little annoyed and found it puzzling why one song, let's forget about genre now, with some of the most wholesome feel good themes about love and female empowerment, that stuck around in the low 20's for a little longer than expected, was pissing so many people off and was met with such celebration and triumph at its demise, when many of these same people have no problem with so many other songs with problematic lyrics dominating and sticking around for a while.

[Enigma.]

#28 is totally amazing for Shallow, was thinking of low top 40 at best considering the flood of Lil Wayne. Next week top 20 should be on lock.

[thegreatdivine]

85la you didn't have to type out all of that and I wasn't calling you a racist. I just noticed that most pop super fans who hate rap and it's dominance are white and all their comments about rap, it's stars, it's significance and it's quality, almost always have racist undertones. It's perfectly okay to not like rap music (even though you say you do). I don't care for a lot of bubblegum pop music, but there are certain pop artists who I'll always listen to whenever they release new music. You just made a generalisation of all rappers like rappers, like all humans, don't all have sides to themselves. If you ask me, I think pop stars are the ones who aren't allowed to have personalities - in and out of their music. That's why you have a lot of pop stars who fight to establish an identity that allows them to express themselves beyond the borders that the pop music construct creates for them. Pop stars, are by default, only meant to express a certain range of emotions and it's all in a bid to paint them as pure or innocent. That's why when a pop star dares to own her sexuality on a song, they say she's "breaking out" or "going bad."

Rap music isn't like that. Rappers are encouraged to express the full range of their personalities and emotions. So, yes, you'll have songs where rappers talk about wanting to run up on a person and songs where they'll talk about being in love and having fun with multiple women and hating the police and going at public figures that stand for racism and so on and so forth. There are rappers who make conscious music, music that provokes thought and action. It's a different genre entirely and you just can't box it into themes like bitches, drugs and violence because while those are themes that are still very much prevalent in rap music today, that's not all it is. A LOT of rappers have content in their music beyond all of that.

I expect fans of other genres of music to feel a way about rap's dominance, but it shouldn't be surprising. No other genre drives culture like rap music does. Rap music has the most impact on the world in literally every sense. It was only a matter of time before it became the most popular and most lucrative genre. Also, like we're seeing now, it's not impossible for pop songs to still be successful on the charts.

Also, a lot of us are happy that Perfect dropped out of the chart because even people who don't like Drake or God's Plan feel like it's the deserves to be #1 song on the year-end chart and Perfect remaining on the chart would have meant that wouldn't happen.

[Az Paynter]

I think if airplay and streaming are going to end up on separate wavelengths (as they seem to continually be heading towards) then by all means airplay should NOT be nerfed when it comes to the Hot 100 formula. It levels the playing field between music that's getting all the benefits of radio without necessarily making an impact on streaming, and the music that's dominating streaming but radio isn't all over.

I don't believe urban/hip-hop should get a free pass to run roughshod over everything just because of streaming numbers, songs that are dominating airplay have just as much of a right to be represented in the upper reaches of the chart. Those songs are still reaching a large audience, just in a different way. The fact that this music is reaching a large audience still needs to be reflected in the charts.

[willapted33]

f*ck off maroon 5 no one likes you

[willapted33]

lmfao typing a whole essay because you hate rap music couldn't be me

[Leo ✔]

Oct 9, 2018 6:41:00 GMT -5 willapted33 said:

lmfao typing a whole essay because you hate rap music couldn't be me

Did you read what Codex posted? Seems like no.

[Leo ✔]

Oct 9, 2018 6:40:32 GMT -5 willapted33 said:

f*ck off maroon 5 no one likes you

Well. Seems like there is a lot of people who still liking them. If you dont like them is merely your problem. Lol

[Az Paynter]

Sad to see a member of #teamAUSSIE cancel himself due to toxic standom. :sip2:

[fhas]

Oct 9, 2018 0:58:50 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

How is exactly Mona Lisa above Lucid Dreams when LD has +70 million AI and almost the same or pretty close to 40 million Streaming?

On-demand streaming: Mona Lisa 43M vs. 15M Lucid Dreams

And because it's the first week... ML's paid-to-free streaming ratio is bigger than LD's. Example: ~90% of Mona Lisa's on-demand streams were paid vs. ~80% of Lucid Dreams' streams being paid.

1,000,000 paid streams = 1,500,000 free streams = 2,000,000 programmed streams

[lugus15]

Oct 9, 2018 7:32:02 GMT -5 fhas said:

Oct 9, 2018 0:58:50 GMT -5 lugus15 said:

How is exactly Mona Lisa above Lucid Dreams when LD has +70 million AI and almost the same or pretty close to 40 million Streaming?

On-demand streaming: Mona Lisa 43M vs. 15M Lucid Dreams

And because it's the first week... ML's paid-to-free streaming ratio is bigger than LD's. Example: ~90% of Mona Lisa's on-demand streams were paid vs. ~80% of Lucid Dreams' streams being paid.

1,000,000 paid streams = 1,500,000 free streams = 2,000,000 programmed streams

Oh thanks.