.indulgecountry
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Post by .indulgecountry on Mar 10, 2019 19:12:00 GMT -5
Well that may not be what you meant, but it is actually what you said. /shrug And in regards to your other point, Warner could've easily pushed RaeLynn, Ashley Monroe, or Brandy Clark (and I'm sure they did at the time). Ashley McBryde is no more critically acclaimed than Brandy Clark or Ashley Monroe, and RaeLynn has had limited commercial success but she sold better than Ashley has and "Love Triangle" did a little better than "Dahlonega" did. Those years may have had stiffer competition that kept them from getting in, but there is no sound logical explanation for Kelsea being left out of the Female category this year either when she had one of the best years out of any of the females at radio, especially considering your arguments earlier that radio numbers are more important than critical acclaim. The label backing is a factor but going off that then Black River would've never gotten her any nods in the category at all because there's enough females on the bigger labels to have taken her spot every other year that she got in as well. Ashley lucked out this year and slipped in somehow because the industry seems to really like her in ways that they don't for a lot of other new females, but it's not the first time someone has come along that could've theoretically stolen a spot from Kelsea. I’m not arguing with you about something else. If you want an education on the politics that go on behind the scenes for these awards, let me know. I'll probably just consult sabre14 or 14887fan for that like I usually do, but thanks for the offer!
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Post by seak05 on Mar 10, 2019 19:49:01 GMT -5
Um guys, the blocks aren't the label blocks, the blocks are the agencies and the concert promotions. Ashley McBryde is on WME, as is Miranda.
Carrie, Maren are both CAA
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Post by bigfan101 on Mar 10, 2019 20:09:50 GMT -5
Um guys, the blocks aren't the label blocks, the blocks are the agencies and the concert promotions. Ashley McBryde is on WME, as is Miranda. Carrie, Maren are both CAA Accurate. Probably used the wrong terminology to try to explain myself, so gonna quit while I’m ahead (or maybe behind hahah)
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Post by austin on Mar 11, 2019 7:37:52 GMT -5
I think Kelsea should have been nominated (over Miranda IMO) and am stunned she wasn't, but she did have a super down year until 'Miss Me More' saved her era. 'I Hate Love Songs' was very quiet and though I love it, many didn't, and Ashley has a hugely positive critical backing as well as the Academy probably all loving her album as well.
Kacey should run away with the award any way since Carrie has had a quiet album cycle and Maren just now launched her album. Though I would be totally in support of Maren winning for her year with 'The Middle' and 'Rich.'
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Post by sabre14 on Mar 11, 2019 16:09:53 GMT -5
Bruh, it debuted at #2 on the charts when it came out with 27,000 copies which is solid considering no radio support, but it sold over 150,000 copies the week following the CMA wins and performance and shot to #1 on the charts. The big sales response came after his wins, not before. It is well documented that he blew up big because of the CMAs, not the other way around. Also I have no clue what your other point is even about in regards to it being his "major label" debut because I can find no evidence he released any other albums before Traveller and even if he had albums out before that, I never said anything in re: their quality so I'm really not following your thought process here. Honestly I think your earlier point about "agreeing to disagree" is probably true because I think at this point you're just getting yourself confused with all the arguments you're trying to make, lol. Not getting confused. Worked in radio bud. I have copies of his stuff before he got signed to a major. This is hilarious because really the exact opposite of this is true. The whole point of awards shows is to reward quality, because if awards were given based on numerical data, there would literally be no point to handing them out at all. Like, why would they even need to bother ever handing out an Album of the Year award if it automatically went to whatever record sold the most in the eligibility period, for instance. Everyone at home who has access to the Internet could figure out who won any of the awards before they were presented. She was literally just nominated for a Grammy Award for her album and at the upcoming ACM Awards she's a nominee for Female Artist of the Year despite not making even a fraction of the sales impact that Kelsea Ballerini made in the same time period and who was passed over in the same category. Whether she was nominated for the album at the ACMs is pretty meaningless at this point considering she got in for an even bigger award over Kelsea Ballerini who based on your metrics, should've been nominated instead because she had the "SALES." Also, this seems to have gotten lost in the argument, but the point is that Chris Stapleton won awards like Album and Male Vocalist of the Year before he even had a hit single on the radio and his album hadn't sold *that* well. He even, ironically, beat Jason Aldean's album out for the Album award. Like The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 said, there's two things going on right now and there's been a lot of line-blurring done in the midst of the discussion, but the root of me even bringing Chris Stapleton -- among others -- up in the first place is to prove that the numbers are not what the ACMs use as the primary criteria for most of their awards, or else FGL would literally never lose Vocal Duo to anyone else, Carrie Underwood would win every Female award, Chris Stapleton wouldn't have gotten Male Vocalist 6 months after his debut album came out w/o any radio play over artists like Blake Shelton, Luke Bryan, and Dierks Bentley who have all been consistently major stars in the genre for years prior to the 2015 CMAs. Jason Aldean is being rewarded based on his radio and touring success and I've already acknowledged that I understand and am not surprised by their decision, but it is not clear cut in any way that he was the most deserving or best choice they could've made considering all factors. Let’s not get in another argument that’s dumb. Neither one of you are listening. You are cutting the parts of the message that make you feel warm and fuzzy. I’m done arguing about this. You have my opinion, I have mine, we don’t agree and that’s fine. Moving on. Well that may not be what you meant, but it is actually what you said. /shrug And in regards to your other point, Warner could've easily pushed RaeLynn, Ashley Monroe, or Brandy Clark (and I'm sure they did at the time). Ashley McBryde is no more critically acclaimed than Brandy Clark or Ashley Monroe, and RaeLynn has had limited commercial success but she sold better than Ashley has and "Love Triangle" did a little better than "Dahlonega" did. Those years may have had stiffer competition that kept them from getting in, but there is no sound logical explanation for Kelsea being left out of the Female category this year either when she had one of the best years out of any of the females at radio, especially considering your arguments earlier that radio numbers are more important than critical acclaim. The label backing is a factor but going off that then Black River would've never gotten her any nods in the category at all because there's enough females on the bigger labels to have taken her spot every other year that she got in as well. Ashley lucked out this year and slipped in somehow because the industry seems to really like her in ways that they don't for a lot of other new females, but it's not the first time someone has come along that could've theoretically stolen a spot from Kelsea. I’m not arguing with you about something else. If you want an education on the politics that go on behind the scenes for these awards, let me know. I'm not really here for the smug/condescending nature of these posts or at least that's the way they came off to me, when reading them in the context of this discussion. Saying you work in radio doesn't validate your point, neither does owning Jason Aldean's album before he signed to Broken Bow Records. Insinuating you don't want to get into another argument (while also saying it's "dumb" to do so), when you rebutted every post in this thread is a contradiction. If you feel you made your point and the discussion has reached its limit, it's okay not to get a last word in -- even though I felt the points brought up by .indulgecountry and The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 were valid. This discussion started with Jason Aldean winning ACM Artist of the Decade and evolved into a conversation that honestly, could have been wrapped up long before it did. Personally, I've never been as in to the two major awards shows as many here are and certainly this would have been a prime discussion for 43dudleyvillas but after reading these past +2 pages, this entire discussion went on far too long and there were some points lost in translation. I understand what point you were trying to make and yes, politics go into these awards shows and the factors you and other mentioned. But I don't think anyone in this thread was at all clueless in how these awards nominations/wins are handed out. I'm never going to try and stop a fair discussion in this forum but I believe this convo has run its course.
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recordyear
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Post by recordyear on Mar 12, 2019 11:22:49 GMT -5
First round of performers: Reba McEntire Little Big Town Miranda Lambert George Strait Brothers Osborne Chris Stapleton Kane Brown Maren Morris Thomas Rhett Jason Aldean
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collinkottke
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Post by collinkottke on Mar 12, 2019 11:27:23 GMT -5
Both Miranda Lambert and Little Big Town don't even have current singles to promote at the moment. "Millionaire" will be past it's peak for Stapleton by April 7. Color me intrigued to see what those acts play on the show. Pumped to see King George and Brothers Osborne getting performance slots.
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Post by bigfan101 on Mar 12, 2019 13:17:38 GMT -5
Both Miranda Lambert and Little Big Town don't even have current singles to promote at the moment. "Millionaire" will be past it's peak for Stapleton by April 7. Color me intrigued to see what those acts play on the show. Pumped to see King George and Brothers Osborne getting performance slots. I wouldn’t be surprised if LBT has a new single to debut. But yay, Reba! Glad she gets to sing too. 👍🏻
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Post by Troublemaker on Mar 12, 2019 13:35:51 GMT -5
Both Miranda Lambert and Little Big Town don't even have current singles to promote at the moment. "Millionaire" will be past it's peak for Stapleton by April 7. Color me intrigued to see what those acts play on the show. Pumped to see King George and Brothers Osborne getting performance slots. As long as she’s not performing Drowns the whiskey or something from The Weight of these wings I’m excited to see what she performs. Although I’d have preferred if Pistol Annies performed
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Mar 12, 2019 14:38:05 GMT -5
Guarantee LBT performs a new single. They said at the Grammy's that they'd have new music this spring and that it was almost ready to go.
Definitely intrigued by Miranda and Chris though. Would love it if they both had new music to debut (especially Miranda)
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Mar 12, 2019 14:43:07 GMT -5
I wonder if Kacey will FINALLY get an ACM performance slot. It's mind-blowing to think she a ACM winner (and 14 time-nominee) and has yet to debut on their stage
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Mar 12, 2019 14:50:15 GMT -5
I wonder if Kacey will FINALLY get an ACM performance slot. It's mind-blowing to think she a ACM winner (and 14 time-nominee) and has yet to debut on their stage you kill me with that ninja emoji usage lmao. But yikes, I didn't realize she's never performed. If the ACMs are smart, she'll be offered a performance spot this year.
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Post by The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷 on Mar 12, 2019 15:03:33 GMT -5
I wonder if Kacey will FINALLY get an ACM performance slot. It's mind-blowing to think she a ACM winner (and 14 time-nominee) and has yet to debut on their stage you kill me with that ninja emoji usage lmao. But yikes, I didn't realize she's never performed. If the ACMs are smart, she'll be offered a performance spot this year.
What's wrong with the ninja emoji?? It's a personal favorite
And yep, hopefully this will be the year she'll debut *fingers crossed*
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 12, 2019 18:34:06 GMT -5
The ACMs would look like literal idiots if they didn’t do everything they could to get Kacey Musgraves to perform, especially now that she’s quickly become such a powerful and present face of the genre, and literally just won the biggest award any artist could ever win in all of music.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Mar 12, 2019 19:01:08 GMT -5
Kacey is the “it” girl right now, and literally for all the right reasons. She needs to be on this show!!!
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Post by phil1996 on Mar 13, 2019 9:30:13 GMT -5
Literally everyone loves Brothers Osborne and Kacey Musgraves except for radio.
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Post by LBTrocks on Mar 14, 2019 1:43:10 GMT -5
... just sliding in here to say that Michael Ray's nomination for Best New Male Artist is TOTALLY deserved and I'm rooting for him... he's fantastic. It'll probably go to Luke Combs, which would be cool, I really like him too.... but definitely pulling for Michael.
Little Big Town, based on vocals alone, ALWAYS deserve Vocal Group of the Year. That said, they don't stand a chance this time. Which is a shame, but it is what it is. They need to come back stronger than ever with a new song from a new album before they become a real competitor again.
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Post by carrieidol1 on Mar 14, 2019 7:38:50 GMT -5
Really hoping Kacey or Carrie win Female Artist. I’d love so much for Carrie to be the one to break Miranda’s streak, but I think Kacey has her name written all over the award now. Wouldn’t mind Maren winning, either, but based on recent history with Kacey’s surge in popularity and Carrie’s FVOTY win at the CMAs, I think it’s between the two of them.
... In any case, I think Miranda’s streak ends this year! Not holding my breath, but I cannot fathom Miranda winning over Kacey, Maren, or Carrie... that would just be silly!
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Post by zaclord 🌈 on Mar 14, 2019 10:18:39 GMT -5
... just sliding in here to say that Michael Ray's nomination for Best New Male Artist is TOTALLY deserved and I'm rooting for him... he's fantastic. It'll probably go to Luke CombsLol at you thinking there's even a tiny sliver of hope that Best New Male Artist could go to anyone else. I wouldn't be surprised to see him win Male Artist of the Year too
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Post by dajross6 on Mar 14, 2019 12:28:55 GMT -5
Reba and George are going to sound...quite different than the other performers I'm guessing.
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Post by recordyear on Mar 16, 2019 22:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by onebuffalo on Mar 17, 2019 7:57:44 GMT -5
Reba and George are going to sound...quite different than the other performers I'm guessing. They will sound country. The rest of the performers, not so much.
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Post by collinkottke on Mar 18, 2019 8:54:23 GMT -5
Reba and George are going to sound...quite different than the other performers I'm guessing. They will sound country. The rest of the performers, not so much. Yes, Miranda Lambert, Brothers Osborne, Chris Stapleton and Little Big Town won't sound country at all.
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Post by phil1996 on Mar 18, 2019 13:49:41 GMT -5
Probably because of his wife not being in attendance. I’d guess Midnight Train to Memphis
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Post by recordyear on Mar 19, 2019 11:06:18 GMT -5
Second round of performers: Dierks Bentley Brooks & Dunn Brandi Carlile Eric Church Kelly Clarkson Luke Combs Dan + Shay Florida Georgia Line Ashley McBryde
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 19, 2019 11:08:38 GMT -5
BRANDI
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Post by carriekins on Mar 19, 2019 11:31:44 GMT -5
Wonder if she's performing with Dierks?
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Post by 14887fan on Mar 19, 2019 12:14:53 GMT -5
Wonder if she's performing with Dierks? Happy to have her performing in any capacity!
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Post by slowmo on Mar 19, 2019 12:38:42 GMT -5
I really like that group of performers. :)
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carriekins
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Post by carriekins on Mar 19, 2019 13:23:43 GMT -5
Wonder if she's performing with Dierks? Happy to have her performing in any capacity! I definitely agree!!
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