Billboard Hot 100: 11/10/18

[Au$tin]

Oct 31, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Oct 31, 2018 8:40:25 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jokes can still be at the expense of a group of people without being insulting.

Lol, it's as if some of you are new to the hipster culture. It's always been this obnoxious and toxic. They always get personal with the popular new kid on the block.

So it's okay because it's always been there?

[ddlz]

Oct 31, 2018 10:04:41 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Oct 31, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Lol, it's as if some of you are new to the hipster culture. It's always been this obnoxious and toxic. They always get personal with the popular new kid on the block.

So it's okay because it's always been there?

I understand these kind of pieces can have a negative effects on some artists. I always think of Lana Del Rey saga from 2011 and how it clearly did a number on poor girl.

I just wish more artists would understand that they're getting bullied by some very ugly, angry, bitter, resentful people who were once themselves bullied. That way they wouldn't take it too close to heart.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Oct 31, 2018 8:40:25 GMT -5 Rose "Payola" Nylund said:

Jokes can still be at the expense of a group of people without being insulting.

Lol, it's as if some of you are new to the hipster culture. It's always been this obnoxious and toxic. They always get personal with the popular new kid on the block.

Btw, many of the things they criticize Post Malone for could also easily apply to Drake, but it's easier to go after Post Malone for all the obvious reasons.

Drake has been a recognised musician since 2006. He isn't coasting as being a "rapper" like Post Malone is, he's actually made RAP music. He has songs/projects/tours that are highly rated and regarded in the rap community, and he's made much more meaningful music than Post Malone.

Loads of other white RAPPERS who actually rap have made much better music than Post Malone and they don't get as much criticism from the rap community. Examples: Eminem, Macklemore, Mac Miller, even G-Eazy.

[rimetm]

I think people got confused and/or lost in the sea of quotes. Nose Rylund was responding to the whole chain about the user who made a really petty down syndrome "joke" about a producer, specifically to the idea brought up in response to the decry that a joke has to offend somebody. The Post Malone article thing sprouted up separately and somebody accidentally crossed the two with the page switch.

[monkeydluffy]

Oct 31, 2018 9:16:08 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 31, 2018 9:07:59 GMT -5 Ling-Ling said:

I almost stood up and cheered. He is mediocrity personified and essentially the Kid Rock of rap music. His success and large following truly speaks to these depressing times, the rap star we deserve.

I thought it was a bit harsh, but it's an entirely truthful piece. Of course, people who are huge Post Malone fans on here will vehemently disagree.

I vehemently disagree haha

[ddlz]

Oct 31, 2018 10:59:55 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 31, 2018 9:59:10 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Lol, it's as if some of you are new to the hipster culture. It's always been this obnoxious and toxic. They always get personal with the popular new kid on the block.

Btw, many of the things they criticize Post Malone for could also easily apply to Drake, but it's easier to go after Post Malone for all the obvious reasons.

Drake has been a recognised musician since 2006. He isn't coasting as being a "rapper" like Post Malone is, he's actually made RAP music. He has songs/projects/tours that are highly rated and regarded in the rap community, and he's made much more meaningful music than Post Malone.

Loads of other white RAPPERS who actually rap have made much better music than Post Malone and they don't get as much criticism from the rap community. Examples: Eminem, Macklemore, Mac Miller, even G-Eazy.

It's easy to latch on to ''rapper'' argument and ignore the fact that Drake is a bigger culture vulture and even more problematic than Post Malone. 

[lazer]

Off topic but I hope the next Migos album has more Stir Frys and less Motorsports. Also hoping for it to be a shorter album.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 12:01:19 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Oct 31, 2018 10:59:55 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Drake has been a recognised musician since 2006. He isn't coasting as being a "rapper" like Post Malone is, he's actually made RAP music. He has songs/projects/tours that are highly rated and regarded in the rap community, and he's made much more meaningful music than Post Malone.

Loads of other white RAPPERS who actually rap have made much better music than Post Malone and they don't get as much criticism from the rap community. Examples: Eminem, Macklemore, Mac Miller, even G-Eazy.

It's easy to latch on to ''rapper'' argument and ignore the fact that Drake is a bigger culture vulture and even more problematic than Post Malone. 

How is Drake a "culture vulture"? How is he more problematic than Post Malone? The criticisms laced against Post Malone are credible. If you're not going to explain your points then don't make them.

[tanooki]

Post Malone isn't a rapper but it's still hip hop imo. There are artists who fit this category, Nate Dogg being the most obvious example

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 12:14:54 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Post Malone isn't a rapper but it's still hip hop imo. There are artists who fit this category, Nate Dogg being the most obvious example

No, he isn't. How is he hip-hop when he vehemently denies hip-hop any chance he gets? He constantly puts the genre down. He's said several times that he's not a rapper and doesn't consider himself one, yet he always maintains close proximity to certain elements of the genre: the themes he croons about, using cadences rappers primarily use, constantly featuring black rap artists, etc.

The article I posted was meant to be scathing because it's an OP-ed from a writer who obviously doesn't appreciate Post Malone, but it doesn't make his criticisms any less valid. I've always felt the exact same way about Post Malone - the writer just put it into the right words.

But like I said earlier, I appreciate certain Post Malone songs for what they are. He comes up with nice melodies and hooks, but that's really it for me.

[tanooki]

Oct 31, 2018 12:24:42 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 31, 2018 12:14:54 GMT -5 tanooki said:

Post Malone isn't a rapper but it's still hip hop imo. There are artists who fit this category, Nate Dogg being the most obvious example

No, he isn't. How is he hip-hop when he vehemently denies hip-hop any chance he gets? He constantly puts the genre down. He's said several times that he's not a rapper and doesn't consider himself one, yet he always maintains close proximity to certain elements of the genre: the themes he croons about, using cadences rappers primarily use, constantly featuring black rap artists, etc.

The article I posted was meant to be scathing because it's an OP-ed from a writer who obviously doesn't appreciate Post Malone, but it doesn't make his criticisms any less valid. I've always felt the exact same way about Post Malone - the writer just put it into the right words.

But like I said earlier, I appreciate certain Post Malone songs for what they are. He comes up with nice melodies and hooks, but that's really it for me.

hip hop instrumentals with singing which is pretty clearly influenced by hip hop made by a hip hop looking guy

Hmmm

(Hip hop doesn't always have to be rap, tell me artists like Nate Dogg and Bone Thugs n Harmony ain't hop hop)

[ddlz]

One look at Post Malone's festival line-up - all black rappers. He didn't invite just the big ones, he also gave a spot to young/upcoming/relatively unknown male and female rappers. Does this look to you like someone who's denying and running away from hip-hop? 

Him saying that he doesn't want to be boxed in (Kanye, Lil Uzi and many others are saying the same) or that most of current mainstream hip-hop isn't deep (hip-hop heads agree) doesn't mean that he's denying hip-hop. Or that he isn't hip-hop because he most definitely is. He may not be a pure rapper, but he's still hip-hop. Period.

But I don't know why I'm having an argument with a person who makes these kind of posts.

Oct 31, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

How is Drake a "culture vulture"?

[Gary]

On the one hand I am glad we are finally moving off the weeks-long "Why is that boring pop song still #1" discussion to something else. However, I can't decide yet if this is better

[rockgolf]

Oct 31, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

On the one hand I am glad we are finally moving off the weeks-long "Why is that boring pop song still #1" discussion to something else. However, I can't decide yet if this is better

We could argue over which is worse... 

[lukulele]

Oct 31, 2018 12:05:35 GMT -5 lazer said:

Off topic but I hope the next Migos album has more Stir Frys and less Motorsports. Also hoping for it to be a shorter album.

Nah Stir Fry wasn't that good. Motorsport and Walk it Talk it were better songs and had a better beat. I liked it when it first came out but it never stuck with me like Motorsport or Walk it Talk it. The same way that T-Shirt didn't stick with me but Bad and Boujee and Slippery did.

[Gary]

Oct 31, 2018 13:11:22 GMT -5 rockgolf said:

Oct 31, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

On the one hand I am glad we are finally moving off the weeks-long "Why is that boring pop song still #1" discussion to something else. However, I can't decide yet if this is better

We could argue over which is worse... 

They don't need to be encouraged - as many of the previous threads have, this will balloon to 15-18 pages of non-chart discussion well before the chart comes out without my help - I probably shouldn't have posted what I did now that I think about it

[owenlovesmusic]

T-Shirt, Versace, Get Right Witcha, BBO, and Stir Fry are the best Migos songs imo. They need more material like these songs.

[ddlz]

Oct 31, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

On the one hand I am glad we are finally moving off the weeks-long "Why is that boring pop song still #1" discussion to something else. However, I can't decide yet if this is better

I wouldn't mind having a ''How Canadian teen soap star from suburbs turned started from the bottom rapper with southern, jamaican, british, african, spanish and soon korean accents isn't a culture vulture'' discussion, but I'm afraid it would totally derail the thread.

We should get back to Hot 100!

[lazer]

Oct 31, 2018 13:25:08 GMT -5 owenlovesmusic said:

T-Shirt, Versace, Get Right Witcha, BBO, and Stir Fry are the best Migos songs imo. They need more material like these songs.

You forgot Call Casting.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 12:57:53 GMT -5 ddlz said:

One look at Post Malone's festival line-up - all black rappers. He didn't invite just the big ones, he also gave a spot to young/upcoming/relatively unknown male and female rappers. Does this look to you like someone who's denying and running away from hip-hop? 

Him saying that he doesn't want to be boxed in (Kanye, Lil Uzi and many others are saying the same) or that most of current mainstream hip-hop isn't deep (hip-hop heads agree) doesn't mean that he's denying hip-hop. Or that he isn't hip-hop because he most definitely is. He may not be a pure rapper, but he's still hip-hop. Period.

But I don't know why I'm having an argument with a person who makes these kind of posts.

Oct 31, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

How is Drake a "culture vulture"?

First off, this was never an argument. It was a discussion. Second, you're rephrasing the words he said. He said rap music isn't the genre you go to if you're looking for deep themes or topics, not that current mainstream rap music is shallow, like you're saying. He didn't say he didn't want to be boxed in, he said he is not a rapper, period and has said, done other things that have indicated that this is just a phase for him on his musical journey.

Lastly, PLEASE, if you can't explain HOW Drake is a culture vulture, don't quote me anymore. I asked you a question. A pretty easy one at that.

[thegreatdivine]

At least, the Recording Academy is doing the right thing in not nominating Post Malone in any rap categories.

[lazer]

Whether you like Post Malone or not, he certainly has a unique voice and image. He is not rapper by all means but his production style is Hip hop flavored. He is more of a crooner than a rapper. Post Malone's success is also undeniable.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 13:30:31 GMT -5 ddlz said:

Oct 31, 2018 13:00:55 GMT -5 Gary said:

On the one hand I am glad we are finally moving off the weeks-long "Why is that boring pop song still #1" discussion to something else. However, I can't decide yet if this is better

I wouldn't mind having a ''How Canadian teen soap star from suburbs turned started from the bottom rapper with southern, jamaican, british, african, spanish and soon korean accents isn't a culture vulture'' discussion, but I'm afraid it would totally derail the thread.

We should get back to Hot 100!

Having an earlier career as a TV actor doesn't invalidate Drake as a rapper. He was rapping even while he was on that show so that point is silly and I wish more people would stop bringing it up because it makes everyone who does look silly.

Secondly, Drake didn't grow up rich. If you did any research, you'd know this.

Your third point listing all those cultures tells me all I need to know about your viewpoint, lol. Singing in Spanish is now part of your reasons of him being a culture vulture? You do know that Drake is from Toronto, a city that has citizens who expressly use slang associated with Jamaica? They also share slangs commonly used by a lot of black Londoners. Do you even know what a culture vulture is? Since when does pulling in musical influences make you a culture vulture? ESPECIALLY when you acknowledge said influences, feature figures who are responsible for said sound, pay your dues and do the sound justice? You probably think him using New Orleans bounce on his latest album makes him a culture vulture, too, huh? People like you just read things on social media and run with it. It's hysterical.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 13:51:55 GMT -5 lazer said:

Whether you like Post Malone or not, he certainly has a unique voice and image. He is not rapper by all means but his production style is Hip hop flavored. He is more of a crooner than a rapper.

Which is all I've been saying. He makes hip-hop adjacent music. It's not hip-hop and definitely not rap, but I seem to have ruffled some feathers.

[lazer]

Oct 31, 2018 13:53:14 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Oct 31, 2018 13:51:55 GMT -5 lazer said:

Whether you like Post Malone or not, he certainly has a unique voice and image. He is not rapper by all means but his production style is Hip hop flavored. He is more of a crooner than a rapper.

Which is all I've been saying. He makes hip-hop adjacent music. It's not hip-hop and definitely not rap, but I seem to have ruffled some feathers.

I would classify Post Malone as his own genre.

[thegreatdivine]

This is the exact same way everybody shouted from the hilltops that Drake had a ghostwriter when the person in question was credited on every song he contributed to. People don't even understand the literal meaning of the terms they comfortably throw around.

These are the same people who don't know how album credits work. The same people who think because 20 people are credited on a song with 4 samples, it means all 20 names wrote the lyrics of the song. If you're gonna call someone something or accuse them of doing something, be able to explain yourself so your points stand and they make sense.

Sorry if I detailed the thread.

[thegreatdivine]

Oct 31, 2018 13:58:24 GMT -5 lazer said:

Oct 31, 2018 13:53:14 GMT -5 thegreatdivine said:

Which is all I've been saying. He makes hip-hop adjacent music. It's not hip-hop and definitely not rap, but I seem to have ruffled some feathers.

I would classify Post Malone as his own genre.

I could agree with this, although he'll get classified as a pop star, which isn't far off from the kind of music he actually makes. A nostalgia, ULTRA. era Frank Ocean categorised his music as "bluegrass," but he eventually got lumped in as an R&B/Soul singer.

[ddlz]

Post Malone basically said what every old hip-hop head thinks. The controversy was manufactured for clicks.

There's great hip-hop songs where they talk about real life and they spit the real s**t, but right now, there's not a lot of people talking about real s**t.

And he talks like that about his own music too.

''I think it's gonna be better than Stoney, which is pretty easy 'cause Stoney sucked. It was mediocre.''

Now I'm done with this topic.

[noober]

Another mess thread?

[willapted33]

the Migos just need to release an album like Culture, not like Culture 2