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Post by d3vin44 on Dec 11, 2018 12:14:45 GMT -5
LOVE this! Clearly a jab at Country radio by Kacey's team.
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Post by thewp on Dec 11, 2018 13:06:36 GMT -5
Not sure they can dictate ad placement. Probably just the size of ad theyβre paying for.
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Post by tryexp on Dec 11, 2018 15:10:44 GMT -5
Not sure they can dictate ad placement. Probably just the size of ad theyβre paying for. I think that is probably dependent on how much you're willing to pay
Still it's a fantastic dig at the situation - it shows on much radio is actually full of crap about how they justify their decisions.
Out of curiosity does anyone has any statistics about the number of female PDs in the country and the music played in those stations?
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 11, 2018 15:28:16 GMT -5
Where's the C.M.A. Award winning Album of the Year mention in the ad?
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Post by bboat11 on Dec 12, 2018 1:48:13 GMT -5
Where's the C.M.A. Award winning Album of the Year mention in the ad? I mean, I kinda feel like GLOBAL album of the year takes a little higher priority! Lol
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Post by onebuffalo on Dec 13, 2018 16:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by travelrocks24 on Dec 13, 2018 19:07:35 GMT -5
The fact is radio isn't taking a chance with original content. Where I live, I don't see Bobby Bones being advertised for his weekend show. That is bad marketing on the radio stations part. If I were Bobby, I would generate a list of all stations that play his weekend show and what time it airs, and post the hell out of it on social media. Some employers block streaming at work, and some people have limited data plans so they can't listen through their phones at work. The reality is radio won't look past the top 50 (or so) of Mediabase. If I were a radio programmer, I would delegate an intern on a weekly basis to look for patterns on Mediabase beyond the top 50, and find a way to get that song put on the air. The comment about radio tours really got to me, because there are times I have seen what the artists do, and then I will look at the stations Mediabase for that week and not find the artist on there. I would think the radio would be using that artist as publicity for an appearance so people know what they are going to hear in advance.
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Post by jab820 on Dec 13, 2018 21:11:35 GMT -5
What's interesting to me is there is nothing but radio silence coming from male artists regarding this issue. Sure, all these artists support one another, but rarely/if ever are the men pointing out when their female peers are being shafted at radio.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 13, 2018 21:58:12 GMT -5
What's interesting to me is there is nothing but radio silence coming from male artists regarding this issue. Sure, all these artists support one another, but rarely/if ever are the men pointing out when their female peers are being shafted at radio. I think male artists are silent because they are self interested and don't want to risk losing their spot at country radio by speaking out about. Especially less established artists. If say Luke Bryan spoke out about I don't think his position on radio would be challenged in the slightest given how huge he is. But if say Jordan Davis or Russell Dickerson or Michael Ray who aren't very established and don't have a ton of fans speak out. I think country radio would drop them in a hurry. Do I think this is right? Hell no! But unfortunately that is the way it probably goes.
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Post by loveofmusic on Dec 14, 2018 16:13:22 GMT -5
What's interesting to me is there is nothing but radio silence coming from male artists regarding this issue. Sure, all these artists support one another, but rarely/if ever are the men pointing out when their female peers are being shafted at radio. I think male artists are silent because they are self interested and don't want to risk losing their spot at country radio by speaking out about. Especially less established artists. If say Luke Bryan spoke out about I don't think his position on radio would be challenged in the slightest given how huge he is. But if say Jordan Davis or Russell Dickerson or Michael Ray who aren't very established and don't have a ton of fans speak out. I think country radio would drop them in a hurry. Do I think this is right? Hell no! But unfortunately that is the way it probably goes. I do think you are correct that many male artists only care about their self-interests & don't want to "rock the boat" with radio by speaking out. The non-established artists are especially not going to say anything. The big male stars should speak up, but most don't. Miranda Lambert recently spoke up how it took her collaborating with a male artist (Jason Aldean) to get another #1. I haven't heard Aldean say anything about the issue recently or anything in reply to Miranda's comments. I don't think anything he says will jeopardize his standing at radio, but it doesn't seem like he will talk about the issue.
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Post by jab820 on Dec 14, 2018 17:23:16 GMT -5
It will be very interesting to see how radio reacts to "Ladies in the 90s" amidst all of this. The Billboard article highlights the irony of that song being in the top 50 during the top 20 dry spell. And It's the only song I've heard to specifically call out radio's lack of women, yet Lauren manages to do it in a way that is celebratory and only mildly political. The conversations that will arise as it climbs the charts (in hope that it's able to) will certainly be interesting.
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 17, 2018 8:31:40 GMT -5
Well Mediabase 24/7 updated their charts again and it's back to one female artist in the Top 20. We'll see if Billboard follows suit later on, but at least it is a slow but sure start. Still a long way to go though...
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 17, 2018 8:38:28 GMT -5
Well Mediabase 24/7 updated their charts again and it's back to one female artist in the Top 20. We'll see if Billboard follows suit later on, but at least it is a slow but sure start. Still a long way to go though... Carrie Underwood will be in the Top 20 on Billboard. Both Eric Church and Blake Shelton are going recurrent and she may also pass Tim McGraw as well which would mean she would be at #18 on Billboard.
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Post by stanches2318 on Dec 17, 2018 9:54:54 GMT -5
I had to google βI Hate Thisβ, βTailgateβ is good but not RaeLynns best, βGot My Name Changed Backβ, is a boring and annoying song. βDamageβ and βMake Him Waitβ r songs that shouldβve went far but didnβt. I have requested a few girls to the radio stations. They told me that βMake Him Waitβ didnβt fit the format. But the the piano beat almost sounds like βDrunk Girlβ. My solution is that it takes time. Look at a some of the popular male artists right now. It took Aldean almost 10 yrs to get recognized, about 9 for Urban, Look at Stapleton. Even some of the popular girls didnβt get noticed first, like Carrie, Maren, Kelsea, Kacey, even Miranda who all tried to make it when they were young. So I say these females will get recognized in the future it just takes time. Thatβs my opinion.
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Post by thewp on Dec 17, 2018 9:58:55 GMT -5
By that theory, women whoβve been trying for a long time should be seeing success now. I do agree that a lot of those songs you listed arenβt great.
I really liked Danielleβs last album and Jillian Jacqueline. I guess all I can do is do my part and stream (though theyβd probably prefer I buy) the women I like and hope others do the same. If I were them, Iβd try to build my fan base via social media and streaming bc I couldnβt count on radio.
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Post by stanches2318 on Dec 17, 2018 10:01:13 GMT -5
I think male artists are silent because they are self interested and don't want to risk losing their spot at country radio by speaking out about. Especially less established artists. If say Luke Bryan spoke out about I don't think his position on radio would be challenged in the slightest given how huge he is. But if say Jordan Davis or Russell Dickerson or Michael Ray who aren't very established and don't have a ton of fans speak out. I think country radio would drop them in a hurry. Do I think this is right? Hell no! But unfortunately that is the way it probably goes. I do think you are correct that many male artists only care about their self-interests & don't want to "rock the boat" with radio by speaking out. The non-established artists are especially not going to say anything. The big male stars should speak up, but most don't. Miranda Lambert recently spoke up how it took her collaborating with a male artist (Jason Aldean) to get another #1. I haven't heard Aldean say anything about the issue recently or anything in reply to Miranda's comments. I don't think anything he says will jeopardize his standing at radio, but it doesn't seem like he will talk about the issue. Miranda should me grateful, and not arrogant. IMO the only way anything is gonna happen is if Carrie was to make a song about it or make a stand. I honestly think she is the only country female who they will listen to. She is the most played female and she is the biggest country female these days and probably all time.
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Post by stanches2318 on Dec 17, 2018 10:03:57 GMT -5
By that theory, women whoβve been trying for a long time should be seeing success now. I do agree that a lot of those songs you listed arenβt great. I really liked Danielleβs last album and Jillian Jacqueline. I guess all I can do is do my part and stream (though theyβd probably prefer I buy) the women I like and hope others do the same. If I were them, Iβd try to build my fan base via social media and streaming bc I couldnβt count on radio. I agree. Majority of the music. I listen to these days r by country females. Mostly the young ones, but I still appreciate some of the male songs to.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 17, 2018 10:15:59 GMT -5
I do think you are correct that many male artists only care about their self-interests & don't want to "rock the boat" with radio by speaking out. The non-established artists are especially not going to say anything. The big male stars should speak up, but most don't. Miranda Lambert recently spoke up how it took her collaborating with a male artist (Jason Aldean) to get another #1. I haven't heard Aldean say anything about the issue recently or anything in reply to Miranda's comments. I don't think anything he says will jeopardize his standing at radio, but it doesn't seem like he will talk about the issue. Miranda should me grateful, and not arrogant. IMO the only way anything is gonna happen is if Carrie was to make a song about it or make a stand. I honestly think she is the only country female who they will listen to. She is the most played female and she is the biggest country female these days and probably all time. I think she is grateful and not arrogant, but I think she is also super annoyed which she should be. Ever since 2015 her radio airplay has been producing underwhelming results. She hasn't been in the Top 10 with her own material solo artist for 4 years. Her last 2 #1s on Billboard were both collaborations, and is insulting that radio doesn't seem to want to play her own music when she sells more than the average run of the mill male artist.
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 17, 2018 10:32:12 GMT -5
I donβt think any male artists are saying anything because they have nothing to gain really by it. And I suspect their labels are warning them from saying anything because of rocking and boat, etc.
The unfortunate thing is that the country audience isnβt concerned about this. Iβm only guessing but I believe the country format might be one of the more evenly split among genders and when it comes to music, men would rather listen to masculine men because they relate or want to relate to them, and women want to listen to men because it gives them something to fantasize about - or whatever the reasons might be tbh lol. I suspect the people who care about the issue most are female musicians and progressive listeners who likely donβt listen to a ton of radio anyway. Those who do listen donβt care, so boycotts wonβt work because nobody will participate in them. Signing a ton of female artists wonβt work because radio isnβt a place where new artists break through.
As much as it sucks, I feel like itβs a battle for women to lose. Country radio is probably doing well but as the rest of the world (hopefully) continues to progress toward gender equality, it will be stuck in the past. I think artists like Kacey are taking the right approach by bypassing radio while embracing country more than a lot of what country radio is playing. Iβm sure itβs easier said than done but I think female country artists have a different audience than male ones and maybe the trick is to establish who that audience is and how to reach them as a collective.
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Post by stanches2318 on Dec 17, 2018 10:33:41 GMT -5
The main thing is the quality. Besides βTin Manβ Lambertβs songs since βAutomaticβ werenβt really that good, by herself IMO.
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Post by thewp on Dec 17, 2018 11:38:35 GMT -5
The main thing is the quality. Besides βTin Manβ Lambertβs songs since βAutomaticβ werenβt really that good, by herself IMO. She released some crap singles, and radio responsed. As far as male artists, they respond when asked but even female artists donβt have a solution when asked. Some male artists (Keith/ Blake) are bringing women as opening acts. Iβm not sure what else an artist can really do.
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 17, 2018 12:54:55 GMT -5
Perhaps new female artists should do excessive radio tours across the country in the hopes to be on the chart as high as they can be. That used to be the case back then in certain instances...
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Post by Troublemaker on Dec 17, 2018 13:09:36 GMT -5
Perhaps new female artists should do excessive radio tours across the country in the hopes to be on the chart as high as they can be. That used to be the case back then in certain instances... New female artists still do radio tours. Iβll give you 2 examples, Lindsay Ell was in the midst of radio tour (and was opening for a male artist) when that radio station in California (I believe) refused to play her because of her relationship with Bobby Bones. Ashley McBryde said she was in the midst of radio tour when I saw her this summer
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Dec 17, 2018 13:14:00 GMT -5
The main thing is the quality. Thatβs literally never the main thing.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Dec 17, 2018 13:25:38 GMT -5
Perhaps new female artists should do excessive radio tours across the country in the hopes to be on the chart as high as they can be. That used to be the case back then in certain instances... New female artists still do radio tours. Iβll give you 2 examples, Lindsay Ell was in the midst of radio tour (and was opening for a male artist) when that radio station in California (I believe) refused to play her because of her relationship with Bobby Bones. Ashley McBryde said she was in the midst of radio tour when I saw her this summer. A lot of independent artists do radio tours as well, as evidence by the weekly edition of Music Row.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 14:20:10 GMT -5
About male artists talking about this, I know that Sam Outlaw, Brandon Stansell, Brothers Osborne and Ruston Kelly, all have mentioned this issue in social media. I suppose Nose Ryland is right about country audiences being one of the culprits for the situation.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 17, 2018 14:44:12 GMT -5
Question, that is related to this somewhat.
Does anyone know of any female country artists who are not signed to a major label that already have a decent fan following and fan base, similar to Luke Combs and Kane Brown before they were signed to a major label? I just wonder if there is a female artist that the labels are sleeping on and should sign and push to radio.
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Post by stanches2318 on Dec 17, 2018 15:18:33 GMT -5
KALIE SHORR. Her music would fit on radio the best. She blends in good.
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Post by travelrocks24 on Dec 17, 2018 21:01:22 GMT -5
Question, that is related to this somewhat. Does anyone know of any female country artists who are not signed to a major label that already have a decent fan following and fan base, similar to Luke Combs and Kane Brown before they were signed to a major label? I just wonder if there is a female artist that the labels are sleeping on and should sign and push to radio. Define decent fan following. If this is based strictly on social media numbers, although she owns her own label (Circle S Records), SaraBeth has a over 200K social following on Twitter. She has made multiple trips to England for gigs in recent years, and multiple albums for purchase/streaming.
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Post by raylatch98 on Dec 17, 2018 21:38:05 GMT -5
Question, that is related to this somewhat. Does anyone know of any female country artists who are not signed to a major label that already have a decent fan following and fan base, similar to Luke Combs and Kane Brown before they were signed to a major label? I just wonder if there is a female artist that the labels are sleeping on and should sign and push to radio. Define decent fan following.Β If this is based strictly on social media numbers, although she owns her own label (Circle S Records), SaraBeth has a over 200K social following on Twitter.Β She has made multiple trips to England for gigs in recent years, and multiple albums for purchase/streaming. I would say social media, streaming numbers like YouTube as well. So for like YouTube, some of the newer male artists that have recently had their big break this past year or at least hit the Top 30 have these many YouTube subscribers to their channel on YouTube. Riley Green 24,000. Morgan Evans 15,000. Jimmie Allen 25,000. Tyler Rich 13,000. Are there any unknown female country artists who have similar subscribed numbers to that, who have just been on the scene the past year or 2 at most without any label signing and radio support? Or even on a Travis Denning level of like 8000 subscribers on YouTube? Also how much is their music on YouTube being viewed? Same with stuff like Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and followers there. I am curious if there are any country female singers who are unsigned that have already generated a fan following to that of at least equal too new artists trying to break through and have already seen some level of success. So to summarize. Equal fan interest on social media and streaming to that of a newer male artists that has radio supporting them, and hasn't been on the music scene for very long. I'm curious if their is a female country artist like that already. Sorry if this is confusing.
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