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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 14, 2018 18:39:34 GMT -5
I was looking at an old issue of Billboard magazine (December 24, 1966) and noticed that California Dreamin' by the Mamas & Papas was listed as their #1 single on the year end chart--but I know when I look up the year end chart on the internet The Ballad Of the Green Berets by S/SGT Barry Saddler is #1--so does anyone know when Billboard changed the 1966 year end list (and why)?
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 17, 2018 8:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 11:37:27 GMT -5
I was looking at an old issue of Billboard magazine (December 24, 1966) and noticed that California Dreamin' by the Mamas & Papas was listed as their #1 single on the year end chart--but I know when I look up the year end chart on the internet The Ballad Of the Green Berets by S/SGT Barry Saddler is #1--so does anyone know when Billboard changed the 1966 year end list (and why)? Good catch! I'm unable to find any definitive answer. My best guess is that the "Top Records of 1966" chart in that print edition was either completely fudged, or they tried a new methodology that year they later nixed and then retroactively revised the chart? I say this because none of the songs' positions match up to all other online versions of the chart. They're two vastly different year-end charts. I browsed through the two issues that followed 12/24/1966 to see if I could find any correction or mention of the year-end chart, but didn't see anything. It is notable that California Dreamin' was released on 12/8/1965 and never reached #1 after 17 weeks, while BOTGB was released in January 1966 and spent 5 weeks on top with 13 weeks on. It doesn't seem likely that CD would have beat BOTGB, even with the 4 week differential, especially given their methodology back then. #10 seems the more likely position for CD.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 18, 2018 7:48:56 GMT -5
I was looking at an old issue of Billboard magazine (December 24, 1966) and noticed that California Dreamin' by the Mamas & Papas was listed as their #1 single on the year end chart--but I know when I look up the year end chart on the internet The Ballad Of the Green Berets by S/SGT Barry Saddler is #1--so does anyone know when Billboard changed the 1966 year end list (and why)? Good catch! I'm unable to find any definitive answer. My best guess is that the "Top Records of 1966" chart in that print edition was either completely fudged, or they tried a new methodology that year they later nixed and then retroactively revised the chart? I say this because none of the songs' positions match up to all other online versions of the chart. They're two vastly different year-end charts. I browsed through the two issues that followed 12/24/1966 to see if I could find any correction or mention of the year-end chart, but didn't see anything. It is notable that California Dreamin' was released on 12/8/1965 and never reached #1 after 17 weeks, while BOTGB was released in January 1966 and spent 5 weeks on top with 13 weeks on. It doesn't seem likely that CD would have beat BOTGB, even with the 4 week differential, especially given their methodology back then. #10 seems the more likely position for CD.
I know that Billboard revised their way of figuring their year end charts beginning with 1967 (awarding bonus points to #1 songs)--more than likely after having two non #1's (1965-Wooly Bully by Sam The Sham & the Pharaohs & 1966-California Dreamin' by Mamas & Papas) as their Top singles of the last two years. I still don't know , however, when they revised the 1966 year end chart because as you indicate the on line versions do not match the print version listed in the December 24, 1966 issue. I do know that by the time Fred Bronson published his book of #1 hits in the mid 80's; BOTGB was considered Billboard's 'official' #1 of 1966.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 8:36:42 GMT -5
Good catch! I'm unable to find any definitive answer. My best guess is that the "Top Records of 1966" chart in that print edition was either completely fudged, or they tried a new methodology that year they later nixed and then retroactively revised the chart? I say this because none of the songs' positions match up to all other online versions of the chart. They're two vastly different year-end charts. I browsed through the two issues that followed 12/24/1966 to see if I could find any correction or mention of the year-end chart, but didn't see anything. It is notable that California Dreamin' was released on 12/8/1965 and never reached #1 after 17 weeks, while BOTGB was released in January 1966 and spent 5 weeks on top with 13 weeks on. It doesn't seem likely that CD would have beat BOTGB, even with the 4 week differential, especially given their methodology back then. #10 seems the more likely position for CD. I know that Billboard revised their way of figuring their year end charts beginning with 1967 (awarding bonus points to #1 songs)--more than likely after having two non #1's (1965-Wooly Bully by Sam The Sham & the Pharaohs & 1966-California Dreamin' by Mamas & Papas) as their Top singles of the last two years. I still don't know , however, when they revised the 1966 year end chart because as you indicate the on line versions do not match the print version listed in the December 24, 1966 issue. I do know that by the time Fred Bronson published his book of #1 hits in the mid 80's; BOTGB was considered Billboard's 'official' #1 of 1966. Given that 1967 was the year after that they revamped the chart methodology, it would make sense to me that they revised the 1966 chart in 1967. I'm not sure why it would have been changed randomly in any other year that followed, you know? I'm not sure you're going to get a definitive answer of when it was revised without asking Billboard directly.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 22, 2018 15:13:04 GMT -5
I know that Billboard revised their way of figuring their year end charts beginning with 1967 (awarding bonus points to #1 songs)--more than likely after having two non #1's (1965-Wooly Bully by Sam The Sham & the Pharaohs & 1966-California Dreamin' by Mamas & Papas) as their Top singles of the last two years. I still don't know , however, when they revised the 1966 year end chart because as you indicate the on line versions do not match the print version listed in the December 24, 1966 issue. I do know that by the time Fred Bronson published his book of #1 hits in the mid 80's; BOTGB was considered Billboard's 'official' #1 of 1966. Given that 1967 was the year after that they revamped the chart methodology, it would make sense to me that they revised the 1966 chart in 1967. I'm not sure why it would have been changed randomly in any other year that followed, you know? I'm not sure you're going to get a definitive answer of when it was revised without asking Billboard directly. By the way, I did email Billboard but they aren't sure when the chart was changed. If I could get in touch with Fred Bronson (chart guru and the writer of Billboard's #1 Hits books), I bet he would know.
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