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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 19, 2018 16:10:49 GMT -5
Also, it should be noted that a soundtrack album its 11th week is predicted to be #1 in Top Album Sales. It seems that if Taylor or Adele doesn't release close to the holidays in a particular year, pure sales numbers will mostly pale overall in comparison to prior holidays from this year onward.
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 16:35:23 GMT -5
^True. Where are the big 4th Quarter releases this year? Streaming has made the 4th Quarter obsolete. Let me correct you. Streaming has made EVERY quarter obsolete. Streaming has made albums obsolete. Albums are having a shorter and shorter shelf life in the public eye. I doubt the albums with heavy streaming numbers only like from Lil Baby and Juice WRLD will be remembered much at all. |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 19, 2018 16:44:07 GMT -5
Let me correct you. Streaming has made EVERY quarter obsolete. Streaming has made albums obsolete. Albums are having a shorter and shorter shelf life in the public eye. I doubt the albums with heavy streaming numbers only like from Lil Baby and Juice WRLD will be remembered much at all. This is factually a lie. Streaming has increased album longevity to its best in decades. Albums like Drake’s Take Care, Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid, and Eminem’s Curtain Call are past 300 weeks on Billboard 200 due to streaming. Old albums like Mariah’s Merry Christmas & Michael Buble’s Christmas are reaching positions they haven’t touched since their release year due to streaming. Even moderately successful albums that barely scaped Platinum are spending 100+ weeks now due to streaming. Compared to earlier in the decade albums like “Born this Way” and “20/20 Experience” would debut with 1 million copies first week then struggle to spend even 50 weeks charting. The front loaded albums are the sales heavy albums. Hence ticket bundle albums commonly having 1-50, 1-100, or even 1-150 position drops in their first two weeks. Sales appeal to a small community today while streaming appeals to the majority public thus albums will attain longevity through streaming today. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 17:36:58 GMT -5
Streaming has made albums obsolete. Albums are having a shorter and shorter shelf life in the public eye. I doubt the albums with heavy streaming numbers only like from Lil Baby and Juice WRLD will be remembered much at all. This is factually a lie. Streaming has increased album longevity to its best in decades. Albums like Drake’s Take Care, Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid, and Eminem’s Curtain Call are past 300 weeks on Billboard 200 due to streaming. Old albums like Mariah’s Merry Christmas & Michael Buble’s Christmas are reaching positions they haven’t touched since their release year due to streaming. Even moderately successful albums that barely scaped Platinum are spending 100+ weeks now due to streaming. Compared to earlier in the decade albums like “Born this Way” and “20/20 Experience” would debut with 1 million copies first week then struggle to spend even 50 weeks charting. The front loaded albums are the sales heavy albums. Hence ticket bundle albums commonly having 1-50, 1-100, or even 1-150 position drops in their first two weeks. Sales appeal to a small community today while streaming appeals to the majority public thus albums will attain longevity through streaming today. Yes, and that's why these albums are rarely talked about much outside of hip-hop circles? Streaming is very insular and regulated to only the fanbase (and whatever Spotify payola they can get). These albums are pretty much ignored outside of hip-hop fandoms. 1989, 21, are talked about far more than albums that struggle to sell 50,000 copies. They seem to have far more of a cultural impact than these nothing hip-hop albums. Sales are frontloaded because after the fanbase buys in the first week, you need attention from outside. Streaming doesn't need this because the fanbase can stream week after week after week. With salees, you only contribute once. With streaming, you can contribute forever. |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 19, 2018 17:46:33 GMT -5
This is factually a lie. Streaming has increased album longevity to its best in decades. Albums like Drake’s Take Care, Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid, and Eminem’s Curtain Call are past 300 weeks on Billboard 200 due to streaming. Old albums like Mariah’s Merry Christmas & Michael Buble’s Christmas are reaching positions they haven’t touched since their release year due to streaming. Even moderately successful albums that barely scaped Platinum are spending 100+ weeks now due to streaming. Compared to earlier in the decade albums like “Born this Way” and “20/20 Experience” would debut with 1 million copies first week then struggle to spend even 50 weeks charting. The front loaded albums are the sales heavy albums. Hence ticket bundle albums commonly having 1-50, 1-100, or even 1-150 position drops in their first two weeks. Sales appeal to a small community today while streaming appeals to the majority public thus albums will attain longevity through streaming today. Yes, and that's why these albums are rarely talked about much outside of hip-hop circles? Streaming is very insular and regulated to only the fanbase (and whatever Spotify payola they can get). These albums are pretty much ignored outside of hip-hop fandoms. 1989, 21, are talked about far more than albums that struggle to sell 50,000 copies. They seem to have far less of a cultural impact. Sales are frontloaded because after the fanbase buys in the first week, you need attention from outside. Streaming doesn't need this because the fanbase can stream week after week after week. How would you be able to accurately measure which albums are talked about more? Sounds like you're just assuming, then posting your unproven assumption as a fact. And lmao how is streaming fanbase'd when these albums are getting 10,000,000+ streams per week, but sales aren't fanbase-centered when old album are selling like 200 copies a week? It's literally the opposite. Sales are a fanbase driven thing in 2018. Nobody is going to a CD store and buying a new album by an artist they've never heard before out of interest. Only die-hard fans & people who watched a movie and liked the music are buying CDs in 2018. Plus fans getting bundles given to them after buying tour tickets/merch. Clearly those albums have cultural impact if they're charting high years later and still being listened to by millions per week.... |
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 18:36:35 GMT -5
Yes, and that's why these albums are rarely talked about much outside of hip-hop circles? Streaming is very insular and regulated to only the fanbase (and whatever Spotify payola they can get). These albums are pretty much ignored outside of hip-hop fandoms. 1989, 21, are talked about far more than albums that struggle to sell 50,000 copies. They seem to have far less of a cultural impact. Sales are frontloaded because after the fanbase buys in the first week, you need attention from outside. Streaming doesn't need this because the fanbase can stream week after week after week. How would you be able to accurately measure which albums are talked about more? Sounds like you're just assuming, then posting your unproven assumption as a fact. And lmao how is streaming fanbase'd when these albums are getting 10,000,000+ streams per week, but sales aren't fanbase-centered when old album are selling like 200 copies a week? It's literally the opposite. Sales are a fanbase driven thing in 2018. Nobody is going to a CD store and buying a new album by an artist they've never heard before out of interest. Only die-hard fans & people who watched a movie and liked the music are buying CDs in 2018. Plus fans getting bundles given to them after buying tour tickets/merch. Clearly those albums have cultural impact if they're charting high years later and still being listened to by millions per week.... Not when it's completely insular, fans are the only ones who care, and streaming albums are heavily driven by singles. Most of the lower albums on the Billboard 200 are only there because of highly popular SINGLES. Not albums. It's this ridiculousness that gives Carly Rae Jepsen's 'Kiss' Platinum eligibility. Even though she's only sold around 300,000 copies and no one cares about the album outside of "Call Me Maybe". It's the same case with a lot of these streaming heavy albums. You take away the most popular single or two, and these albums would be far lower on the chart. Because nobody cares about the full album. If you can't even sell a thousand copies, you don't belong in the Top 10 just because the fans stream the same album over and over. The Hot 100 should not count towards the Billboard 200 in any fashion. Singles should not be counted towards the album, and is just used to inflate numbers that aren't really there. At that point, you might as well count album purchases as a purchase to the singles chart. Because that song is still being bought. And again, there's also the new Spotify promotion tactics that are basically the new version of payola. Once you get rid of that and the singles, you'll see not many people actually give a shit about these streaming albums. Take the UK format, if you take the Top 2 songs on the album and down weight them... you will find those albums won't actually do very well. And no... albums that only sell around 200 copies are either hip-hop albums, or albums that are really, really old. And for the latter, at that point, fans have already bought the album. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2018 18:42:44 GMT -5
Tuesday, December 18, 2018 TOP 20: HOLIDAY BREAK EDITION 3. Michael Bublé – Christmas (Reprise) 59-64k, 17-20k 7. Travis Scott – Astroworld (Cactus Jack/Grand Hustle/Epic) 42-46k, 3-5k 8. Pentatonix – Christmas is Here! (RCA) 41-45k, 29-32k 12. Mariah Carey – Merry Christmas (Epic) 38-41k, 5-7k 14. Pentatonix – A Pentatonix Christmas (RCA) 35-38k, 20-23k Look at Mariah's holiday album having now outlasted Dion, Groban, etc. Still threatening for the top 10, too. Wow. Singles should not be counted towards the album, and is just used to inflate numbers that aren't really there. At that point, you might as well count album purchases as a purchase to the singles chart. Because that song is still being bought. How would you go about doing that, though? You can't just eliminate the stats for singles entirely. |
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Post by iHype. on Dec 19, 2018 18:52:24 GMT -5
How would you be able to accurately measure which albums are talked about more? Sounds like you're just assuming, then posting your unproven assumption as a fact. And lmao how is streaming fanbase'd when these albums are getting 10,000,000+ streams per week, but sales aren't fanbase-centered when old album are selling like 200 copies a week? It's literally the opposite. Sales are a fanbase driven thing in 2018. Nobody is going to a CD store and buying a new album by an artist they've never heard before out of interest. Only die-hard fans & people who watched a movie and liked the music are buying CDs in 2018. Plus fans getting bundles given to them after buying tour tickets/merch. Clearly those albums have cultural impact if they're charting high years later and still being listened to by millions per week.... Not when it's completely insular, fans are the only ones who care, and streaming albums are heavily driven by singles. Most of the lower albums on the Billboard 200 are only there because of highly popular SINGLES. Not albums. It's this ridiculousness that gives Carly Rae Jepsen's 'Kiss' Platinum eligibility. Even though she's only sold around 300,000 copies and no one cares about the album outside of "Call Me Maybe". It's the same case with a lot of these streaming heavy albums. You take away the most popular single or two, and these albums would be far lower on the chart. Because nobody cares about the full album. If you can't even sell a thousand copies, you don't belong in the Top 10 just because the fans stream the same album over and over. The Hot 100 should not count towards the Billboard 200 in any fashion. Singles should not be counted towards the album, and is just used to inflate numbers that aren't really there. At that point, you might as well count album purchases as a purchase to the singles chart. Because that song is still being bought. And again, there's also the new Spotify promotion tactics that are basically the new version of payola. Once you get rid of that and the singles, you'll see not many people actually give a s**t about these streaming albums. Take the UK format, if you take the Top 2 songs on the album and down weight them... you will find those albums won't actually do very well. And no... albums that only sell around 200 copies are either hip-hop albums, or albums that are really, really old. And for the latter, at that point, fans have already bought the album. Albums like Drake's Take Care & Kendrick's Good Kid which charted 300+ weeks and chart every week do not have any songs charting on Spotify/Apple Music's Top 200. Please stop fabricating. The entire albums are generating streams if they are receiving 10 million+ streams per week, yet not even 1 song is getting 2 million. You also cannot chart for YEARS straight due to one song. Once that song dies the album will fall off the chart. Charting for 100+ weeks is two years. Streaming also still is bigger than sales on the UK Albums Chart despite them downweighing streaming for the top 2 singles... thus showing that streaming is the most popular way of consuming albums now, no matter how you look at it. Proving your conspiracy that 'streaming is just listening to 1 song from an album!!' completely wrong. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 19:39:58 GMT -5
Tuesday, December 18, 2018 TOP 20: HOLIDAY BREAK EDITION 3. Michael Bublé – Christmas (Reprise) 59-64k, 17-20k 7. Travis Scott – Astroworld (Cactus Jack/Grand Hustle/Epic) 42-46k, 3-5k 8. Pentatonix – Christmas is Here! (RCA) 41-45k, 29-32k 12. Mariah Carey – Merry Christmas (Epic) 38-41k, 5-7k 14. Pentatonix – A Pentatonix Christmas (RCA) 35-38k, 20-23k Look at Mariah's holiday album having now outlasted Dion, Groban, etc. Still threatening for the top 10, too. Wow. Singles should not be counted towards the album, and is just used to inflate numbers that aren't really there. At that point, you might as well count album purchases as a purchase to the singles chart. Because that song is still being bought. How would you go about doing that, though? You can't just eliminate the stats for singles entirely. Groban's and Dion's don't have any big radio hits to them. Mariah's does. Though I guess Pentatonix's and Buble's don't either. As for stopping singles for being counted towards the album, can always do what the UK does and cut down on the streams for the Top 2 songs. Or just get rid of the streams for the Top 2 songs entirely. Or take out any pre-album single's streams. That way, you don't get albums getting certified Gold on release day (which should never happen unless an album sells 500,000 copies in the first day, and that's unlikely). As I said with 'Kiss' before, that does not deserve Platinum status (and thankfully, it's not certified yet). |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2018 20:10:54 GMT -5
Look at Mariah's holiday album having now outlasted Dion, Groban, etc. Still threatening for the top 10, too. Wow. How would you go about doing that, though? You can't just eliminate the stats for singles entirely. Groban's and Dion's don't have any big radio hits to them. Mariah's does. Though I guess Pentatonix's and Buble's don't either. As for stopping singles for being counted towards the album, can always do what the UK does and cut down on the streams for the Top 2 songs. Or just get rid of the streams for the Top 2 songs entirely. Or take out any pre-album single's streams. That way, you don't get albums getting certified Gold on release day (which should never happen unless an album sells 500,000 copies in the first day, and that's unlikely). As I said with 'Kiss' before, that does not deserve Platinum status (and thankfully, it's not certified yet). First of all, pre-streaming there were plenty of albums that sold a lot based on 1 hit alone (see Joan Osborne, Vanilla Ice, etc). Beyond that, why would you ever fully get rid of the streams for the top 2 songs? To deny 2 songs on an album just seems ludicrous to me. They are part of the album. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 20:32:59 GMT -5
Groban's and Dion's don't have any big radio hits to them. Mariah's does. Though I guess Pentatonix's and Buble's don't either. As for stopping singles for being counted towards the album, can always do what the UK does and cut down on the streams for the Top 2 songs. Or just get rid of the streams for the Top 2 songs entirely. Or take out any pre-album single's streams. That way, you don't get albums getting certified Gold on release day (which should never happen unless an album sells 500,000 copies in the first day, and that's unlikely). As I said with 'Kiss' before, that does not deserve Platinum status (and thankfully, it's not certified yet). First of all, pre-streaming there were plenty of albums that sold a lot based on 1 hit alone (see Joan Osborne, Vanilla Ice, etc). Beyond that, why would you ever fully get rid of the streams for the top 2 songs? To deny 2 songs on an album just seems ludicrous to me. They are part of the album. And people still took interests in those albums, and bought those albums. "Ice Ice Baby" was available on CD and cassette as a physical single. That is not the case for streaming. You can't just listen to the single without contributing to the whole album. As such, it's not comparable. It won't happen, but let's say an album has one huge single, so they get hundreds of millions of streams, but every other song gets barely anything? The entire album is treated as if it's popular. When, it's not. A Platinum certification usually means a whole album is popular. Now, a Platinum certification means you got a hit single to inflate your album's units. It's a ridiculous hypothetical, but you can get a Platinum certification with a Diamond single, but you can sell 0 copies of an album, and have no units on any of the other songs, and it would still be a Platinum album. It gives an inaccurate perception of popularity. Look at Eddie Murphy's album 'How It Could Be'. "Party All The Time" has 17 million streams, but only one other song managed to cross 100,000 streams. That would indicate the general public only cares about one song, not any of the rest of the album. So the single should not be used to artificially inflate units. Especially if they're released prior to the album, because a pre-album single... is NOT part of the album, until the album is released. My biggest gripe is counting sales and streams retroactively. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 19, 2018 21:37:47 GMT -5
First of all, pre-streaming there were plenty of albums that sold a lot based on 1 hit alone (see Joan Osborne, Vanilla Ice, etc). Beyond that, why would you ever fully get rid of the streams for the top 2 songs? To deny 2 songs on an album just seems ludicrous to me. They are part of the album. And people still took interests in those albums, and bought those albums. "Ice Ice Baby" was available on CD and cassette as a physical single. That is not the case for streaming. You can't just listen to the single without contributing to the whole album. As such, it's not comparable. It won't happen, but let's say an album has one huge single, so they get hundreds of millions of streams, but every other song gets barely anything? The entire album is treated as if it's popular. When, it's not. A Platinum certification usually means a whole album is popular. Now, a Platinum certification means you got a hit single to inflate your album's units. My point being if someone buys an album for one song and only listens to that one song, it still counts as a full album sale. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 19, 2018 22:23:13 GMT -5
And people still took interests in those albums, and bought those albums. "Ice Ice Baby" was available on CD and cassette as a physical single. That is not the case for streaming. You can't just listen to the single without contributing to the whole album. As such, it's not comparable. It won't happen, but let's say an album has one huge single, so they get hundreds of millions of streams, but every other song gets barely anything? The entire album is treated as if it's popular. When, it's not. A Platinum certification usually means a whole album is popular. Now, a Platinum certification means you got a hit single to inflate your album's units. My point being if someone buys an album for one song and only listens to that one song, it still counts as a full album sale. And that didn't happen too often, given a lot of singles were available for CD. And even then, the entire album is purchased. People are putting their money into the entire album. I rarely listen to the actual CDs I purchase. But I still put my money into buying it. Streaming instead makes it look like people are putting their time into the entire album, when they're likely not. |
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Post by pnobelysk on Dec 20, 2018 0:48:19 GMT -5
^True. Where are the big 4th Quarter releases this year? Streaming has made the 4th Quarter obsolete. Are 4th quarter releases still a big deal? Back when people bought music and buying CDs for gifts it was a big deal but now that purpose is gone. I doubt people listen to music more around Christmas than any other time of the year so it’s not like Spotify memberships are a hot gift item. For Adele it will be relevant, but outside of Christmas albums and consistent soundtracks the fourth quarter is irrelevant now |
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Post by shayonce on Dec 20, 2018 5:51:10 GMT -5
streaming is killing "album format" and we're in "single driven market more than ever" probably. it's fact.
also current billboard album chart and RIAA system is nothing but inlfating numbers, hugely driven by few singles, it's fact.
I think this is what Naos210 trying to say.
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Post by Enigma. on Dec 20, 2018 6:09:12 GMT -5
These days buying a piece of plastic as present when everything is available online and at least in as good quality is quite ridiculous tbh.
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Post by 👑 Eloquent ™ on Dec 20, 2018 7:56:51 GMT -5
And people still took interests in those albums, and bought those albums. "Ice Ice Baby" was available on CD and cassette as a physical single. That is not the case for streaming. You can't just listen to the single without contributing to the whole album. As such, it's not comparable. It won't happen, but let's say an album has one huge single, so they get hundreds of millions of streams, but every other song gets barely anything? The entire album is treated as if it's popular. When, it's not. A Platinum certification usually means a whole album is popular. Now, a Platinum certification means you got a hit single to inflate your album's units. My point being if someone buys an album for one song and only listens to that one song, it still counts as a full album sale. Kind of a moot point when the album was purchased regardless of whether or not they listened to every song religiously, hence an album sale. An album sale should be an album sale. Someone streaming a single song and that subsequently counting as an album purchase is ludicrous to me and I loathe this new system. It would be like someone purchasing "My Heart Will Go On" in 1998 in either a physical single or by way of the Titanic sountrack and Celine's Let's Talk About Love being certified like 30x platinum I'm thr U.S. as a result. If they wanna count streaming toward an album's certification as it's the "new way", I have no issue with that, just the metrics being used here. Like maybe a user has to listen to a certain percentage of the entire album before it is counted. Idk about you, but I never knew anyone who bought cd back in the day and didn't at least sample each featured track. IMO the individual should either have to purchase the album OR listen to a certain percentage of it before it bears any weight toward sales tallies. |
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Post by divasummer on Dec 20, 2018 10:02:26 GMT -5
My point being if someone buys an album for one song and only listens to that one song, it still counts as a full album sale. And that didn't happen too often, given a lot of singles were available for CD. And even then, the entire album is purchased. People are putting their money into the entire album. I rarely listen to the actual CDs I purchase. But I still put my money into buying it. Streaming instead makes it look like people are putting their time into the entire album, when they're likely not. Both of you bring up good points and I go back and forth with the issue. I kind of think weighing the current single may be a good idea. However Naos210 I don't know how old you are but from 97 until the digital era there were times barely any hit singles were available for purchase and if they were they were there to boost up chart advancement for a few weeks (limited release) or promo tools for newer artists. Do you know how many cd's where I literally like 1 maybe 2 songs.....lol |
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Post by Caviar on Dec 20, 2018 10:09:11 GMT -5
Who still buys CD's anymore? No one is walking around with CD players and shuffling cases of 100+ cd's anymore. It's more of a burden.
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 20, 2018 10:20:01 GMT -5
My point being if someone buys an album for one song and only listens to that one song, it still counts as a full album sale. Kind of a moot point when the album was purchased regardless of whether or not they listened to every song religiously, hence an album sale. An album sale should be an album sale. Someone streaming a single song and that subsequently counting as an album purchase is ludicrous to me and I loathe this new system. It would be like someone purchasing "My Heart Will Go On" in 1998 in either a physical single or by way of the Titanic soundtrack and Celine's Let's Talk About Love being certified like 30x platinum I'm thr U.S. as a result. If they wanna count streaming toward an album's certification as it's the "new way", I have no issue with that, just the metrics being used here. Like maybe a user has to listen to a certain percentage of the entire album before it is counted. Idk about you, but I never knew anyone who bought cd back in the day and didn't at least sample each featured track. IMO the individual should either have to purchase the album OR listen to a certain percentage of it before it bears any weight toward sales tallies. I get what you're saying and don't disagree, per se, I just think it would be ridiculous to measure. As in, let's say this week I only listen to "High Hopes" off the Panic! album but then next week I listen to a few of the songs. How would that work in terms of what you're saying? |
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 20, 2018 10:23:49 GMT -5
However Naos210 I don't know how old you are but from 97 until the digital era there were times barely any hit singles were available for purchase and if they were they were there to boost up chart advancement for a few weeks (limited release) or promo tools for newer artists. Do you know how many cd's where I literally like 1 maybe 2 songs.....lol The worst was when the single didn't even represent the sound of the album. I remember liking "Fly" by Sugar Ray and then hearing the album and being like, "WTF?" Lol. The same was true for Joan Osborne's "One of Us" and its album Relish; I personally love that album but most people buying it because of "One of Us" were probably disappointed. |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Dec 20, 2018 12:08:12 GMT -5
In any case, in spite of song streams counting toward albums, album certifications are relatively rare. Not, surprisingly, though, singles certifications are too easy to get. There are double platinum singles certified by RIAA that weren't really hits (at least according to my definition) in the Hot 100.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Dec 20, 2018 12:37:03 GMT -5
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Dec 20, 2018 13:18:33 GMT -5
Who still buys CD's anymore? No one is walking around with CD players and shuffling cases of 100+ cd's anymore. It's more of a burden. Through last week's Billboard 200: YTD Album SalesCD Sales: 62,589,000 Vinyl Sales: 13,940,000 Digital Album Sales: 49,410,000 Cassette Sales: 393,000 |
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Post by Naos on Dec 20, 2018 14:13:46 GMT -5
Who still buys CD's anymore? No one is walking around with CD players and shuffling cases of 100+ cd's anymore. It's more of a burden. The US and Japan are still pretty big markets for buying music. It's not just about CDs, but music, digital or physical. But last I heard, digital sales are having a worse decline than CDs. And vinyl have seen a rise. Good job, hipsters. By your own logic, why do people still buy physical copies of games when they have Playstation Network, Xbox Live, and Steam? I mean, I bought 'Christmas is Here!' on Black Friday. I also buy some Japanese music since they're only available on CD a lot of the time. And really, unless you have a super devoted fanbase willing to stream your music on mass, you're really paid much of nothing from streaming. Especially if you're a group and your contract is super restrictive. Streaming mostly only benefits A-listers and those who are lucky enough (or their label pays), to get their music on playlists. Whereas a B-lister (or legacy acts who are past their time), will get nothing from streaming and have to rely on album sales, if they can do decently enough. I will say songwriters probably get the worst of it when it comes to streaming payouts, though. Sure, there have been improvements, but not too much. 27 tracks and Zayn is still doing plastic... Now imagine if he had 12 or 13. |
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Post by Choco on Dec 20, 2018 17:23:22 GMT -5
Physical has slowed down it's decrease because there's always going to be a market for collectors and stuff. Remember you don't actually "own" the music on streaming services, and it can be removed at any point without notice.
Digital sales are tanking harder because up until two years ago they were on a huge rise. Owning an mp3 file is not that appealing to collectors and massive music libraries also mean spending money on some hardware and all...
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Post by iHype. on Dec 20, 2018 17:30:30 GMT -5
Physical has slowed down it's decrease because there's always going to be a market for collectors and stuff. Remember you don't actually "own" the music on streaming services, and it can be removed at any point without notice. Digital sales are tanking harder because up until two years ago they were on a huge rise. Owning an mp3 file is not that appealing to collectors and massive music libraries also mean spending money on some hardware and all... CDs & Digital are both declining similarly. CDs down 20.8%, and Digital down 20.7%. Vinyl is helping physical's numbers overall. Also you have to remember these declines are WITH CD bundles & digital bundles becoming standard for 75% the industry. If bundles weren't so huge sales would probably be down atleast 30% this year. |
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Post by Naos on Dec 20, 2018 19:42:57 GMT -5
Physical has slowed down it's decrease because there's always going to be a market for collectors and stuff. Remember you don't actually "own" the music on streaming services, and it can be removed at any point without notice. Digital sales are tanking harder because up until two years ago they were on a huge rise. Owning an mp3 file is not that appealing to collectors and massive music libraries also mean spending money on some hardware and all... That's actually a good point. Spotify could just be gone, or a label can remove someone's music from the service. Same goes for any streaming platform. I've never seen that point used. Good work on originality. And yeah, the CDs are just more fun to collect. Especially if they have something more than the digital, like posters or pictures. |
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Post by forg on Dec 20, 2018 21:03:35 GMT -5
CDs are more of a collector's item at this point, a fan merchandise. It's sad but that's just the way it is.
In my country, CD is basically dead now. No more new releases on CD, even the local ones migrated to streaming now and the market has adapted with the rise of smart phones. Only indie bands are doing CDs which they sell on their gigs and independent retailers. Mega fans of foreign artist have to order online for foreign pressed CDs if they want one but that's so expensive
Anyway, on the Christmas album side, Josh Groban's Noel didn't really a have long lasting impact considering how a big seller it was a decade ago. Especially compared to Michael Buble's Christmas which is still popular to this day
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Post by jenglisbe on Dec 20, 2018 21:10:05 GMT -5
Anyway, on the Christmas album side, Josh Groban's Noel didn't really a have long lasting impact considering how a big seller it was a decade ago. Especially compared to Michael Buble's Christmas which is still popular to this day Yeah I’ve found that curious, but keep in mind Groban’s set has sold a lot more so in that sense fewer people need to buy/stream it. Even more so, Groban hasn’t hawked his set the way Buble has. Didn’t Buble have a TV special 3-4 years in a row? He also pushed a lot of songs to AC radio across several years, and now his songs get more airplay each season. |
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