Gesaffelstein & The Weeknd - "Lost In The Fire"

[rfucom]

I hope this song will not lost in the fire. Waiting for the weeknd next single.

[tinawina]

Controversy over the lyrics aside, I feel like this song is just meh. I don't get why its blowing up.

[Choco]

Pop has done the same thing with the last three Weeknd pop releases (Pray for Me, Starboy and I Feel It Coming), giving them fast rises with massive bullets before call-outs killed them all before they could go #1.

[dovahduck]

Jan 25, 2019 13:42:24 GMT -5 Choco said:

Pop has done the same thing with the last three Weeknd pop releases (Pray for Me, Starboy and I Feel It Coming), giving them fast rises with massive bullets before call-outs killed them all before they could go #1.

I'm curious, how do radio call-outs work? I have a general idea but not a full understanding?

[Choco]

Jan 25, 2019 14:58:12 GMT -5 dovahduck said:

Jan 25, 2019 13:42:24 GMT -5 Choco said:

Pop has done the same thing with the last three Weeknd pop releases (Pray for Me, Starboy and I Feel It Coming), giving them fast rises with massive bullets before call-outs killed them all before they could go #1.

I'm curious, how do radio call-outs work? I have a general idea but not a full understanding?

They gather feedback from radio listeners and determine stuff like familiarity, burn rate, like and dislike rates... so the most hated songs usually die once they hut callouts (when familiarity hits 60%, which is usually around top 15 or higher).

[Enigma.]

This is losing the most week on week globally in top 40 on Spotify, no longevity then (at least remarkable).

[Leo ✔]

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[Enigma.]

Drops to #32 on Spotify, bye bye!

[Leo ✔]

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Choco Avatar
Jan 27, 2019 20:53:35 GMT -8 Choco said:
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Jan 27, 2019 20:49:18 GMT -8 drakeisskinny said:
I mean the lyric is she says she is going though a phase
Again, problematic. It plays on the misconception that everyone who is bisexual is just going through a phase.

But maybe let's take this to the song's thread? It's really derailing the thread as the whole argument ain't even related to the song's chart potential.


I don't see how one person saying they are going though a phase=every single person who is bisexual is just going though a phase.

[rainie]

F L O P

[Keelzit]

Jan 27, 2019 23:57:10 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Choco Avatar
Jan 27, 2019 20:53:35 GMT -8 Choco said:
drakeisskinny Avatar
Jan 27, 2019 20:49:18 GMT -8 drakeisskinny said:
I mean the lyric is she says she is going though a phase
Again, problematic. It plays on the misconception that everyone who is bisexual is just going through a phase.

But maybe let's take this to the song's thread? It's really derailing the thread as the whole argument ain't even related to the song's chart potential.


I don't see how one person saying they are going though a phase=every single person who is bisexual is just going though a phase.

I'm personally indifferent towards the lyrics. I totally get how someone might find them problematic but at the same time, as someone who appreciates lyrics that come from personal experience, I can't blame Abel for putting out a song about a girl who might had said that in real life. Many people are bi-curious and experiment for a while (or even more than just a while) before accepting/deciding/whatever you wanna call it what their true sexuality is. There really are people who claim that their sexual attraction toward the same gender is just a phase to cover up the 'shame' of it and 'blame' it on whatever. It's not about what's offensive or not. It's about what happens in real life and that's definitely something that does happen no matter how triggering and ill-thinking it is. A bi person who has figured out their sexuality would never say 'it was just a phase' so the girl in the song is either sexually insecure or a liar. An interesting concept if you ask me. You can suggest Abel wanted the controversy, but not that he supports the 'just a phase' argument because that's not what I get from that lyric at all.

[Leo ✔]

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[Deleted]

People have a tendency to categorize everything and define things strictly as if it doesn't mean different things for different people. For some people, bisexuality is a phase. For some, it's not. The lyric says the girl (who he's assumed to already be with) says she's going through a phase and may be into girls to which his response is a threesome. At worst, imo, the "f***ing straight" bit sounds childish/teenboy-esque.

At the end of the day, people pick and choose what's inappropriate to them; some may feel disgust at these lyrics and also be completely flippant towards the cultural/racial appropriation of the current chart-topping singles.

[tallen2001]

Now that I’m thinking about it again I don’t think the line is as bad as people are making it out to be. I can see how it’s taken that way but I don’t think The Weeknd meant for it to sound like that.

[dovahduck]

Fell down six spots to thirty-three on the Billboard Hot 100. It's the biggest gainer in airplay as well.

[Leo ✔]

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[allow that]

Jan 28, 2019 11:14:45 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

Jan 27, 2019 23:57:10 GMT -5 @drakeisskinny said:

Choco Avatar
Jan 27, 2019 20:53:35 GMT -8 Choco said:
drakeisskinny Avatar
Jan 27, 2019 20:49:18 GMT -8 drakeisskinny said:
I mean the lyric is she says she is going though a phase
Again, problematic. It plays on the misconception that everyone who is bisexual is just going through a phase.

But maybe let's take this to the song's thread? It's really derailing the thread as the whole argument ain't even related to the song's chart potential.


I don't see how one person saying they are going though a phase=every single person who is bisexual is just going though a phase.

I'm personally indifferent towards the lyrics. I totally get how someone might find them problematic but at the same time, as someone who appreciates lyrics that come from personal experience, I can't blame Abel for putting out a song about a girl who might had said that in real life. Many people are bi-curious and experiment for a while (or even more than just a while) before accepting/deciding/whatever you wanna call it what their true sexuality is. There really are people who claim that their sexual attraction toward the same gender is just a phase to cover up the 'shame' of it and 'blame' it on whatever. It's not about what's offensive or not. It's about what happens in real life and that's definitely something that does happen no matter how triggering and ill-thinking it is. A bi person who has figured out their sexuality would never say 'it was just a phase' so the girl in the song is either sexually insecure or a liar. An interesting concept if you ask me. You can suggest Abel wanted the controversy, but not that he supports the 'just a phase' argument because that's not what I get from that lyric at all.

Abel's lyric is not about a bi person exploring their sexuality and finding themselves. It's about him exploiting it and fetishizing it for his own sexual gain. Big difference.

[Keelzit]

Jan 29, 2019 13:51:43 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jan 28, 2019 11:14:45 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

I'm personally indifferent towards the lyrics. I totally get how someone might find them problematic but at the same time, as someone who appreciates lyrics that come from personal experience, I can't blame Abel for putting out a song about a girl who might had said that in real life. Many people are bi-curious and experiment for a while (or even more than just a while) before accepting/deciding/whatever you wanna call it what their true sexuality is. There really are people who claim that their sexual attraction toward the same gender is just a phase to cover up the 'shame' of it and 'blame' it on whatever. It's not about what's offensive or not. It's about what happens in real life and that's definitely something that does happen no matter how triggering and ill-thinking it is. A bi person who has figured out their sexuality would never say 'it was just a phase' so the girl in the song is either sexually insecure or a liar. An interesting concept if you ask me. You can suggest Abel wanted the controversy, but not that he supports the 'just a phase' argument because that's not what I get from that lyric at all.

Abel's lyric is not about a bi person exploring their sexuality and finding themselves. It's about him exploiting it and fetishizing it for his own sexual gain. Big difference.

Not different than the millions of gays lusting over straights all over social media. I really don't see an issue in either case. If anything, I find it flattering.

[Enigma.]

Wut? I don't think that you "finding attention of gays flattering" and women hearing a song where their sexuality is questioned and hinted to be controlled by man are really comparable.

[dovahduck]

Jan 29, 2019 13:51:43 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jan 28, 2019 11:14:45 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

I'm personally indifferent towards the lyrics. I totally get how someone might find them problematic but at the same time, as someone who appreciates lyrics that come from personal experience, I can't blame Abel for putting out a song about a girl who might had said that in real life. Many people are bi-curious and experiment for a while (or even more than just a while) before accepting/deciding/whatever you wanna call it what their true sexuality is. There really are people who claim that their sexual attraction toward the same gender is just a phase to cover up the 'shame' of it and 'blame' it on whatever. It's not about what's offensive or not. It's about what happens in real life and that's definitely something that does happen no matter how triggering and ill-thinking it is. A bi person who has figured out their sexuality would never say 'it was just a phase' so the girl in the song is either sexually insecure or a liar. An interesting concept if you ask me. You can suggest Abel wanted the controversy, but not that he supports the 'just a phase' argument because that's not what I get from that lyric at all.

Abel's lyric is not about a bi person exploring their sexuality and finding themselves. It's about him exploiting it and fetishizing it for his own sexual gain. Big difference.

Honestly it's up to the interpreter, how a person analyzes written text is dependent on a variety of factors, such as the person's background or political views. Yes there are many men that assume that good sex can change someone's sexuality, but there are also people that are bi-curious and who might actually be going through a phase. Such as a friend that I had in highschool, who experimented with a variety of relationship types and later recalled to me that it was just a phase. The line where he says he'll f**k the girl straight, can be interpreted as meaning that while she is having lesbian oral intercourse with her "friend", he'll be having vaginal intercourse with her as well, at the same time, as is the 'traditional" thing to do during heterosexual sex. Which could easily be the actual case in a bisexual threesome. However the case may also be that since he is so desperate to not lose her, he is genuinely trying to f**k her straight. Which is something I'm pretty sure some men have tried to do, while in failing relationship, which is failing due to their partner's sexual orientation not being the same as their own. So in the end, both arguments have their valid points, however unless The Weeknd officially addresses the true meaning behind those lyrics (as in that he aplogizes for, or clarifies the lyrics), neither side can be the truly right one.

[dwhite725]

I don’t care about the lyrics. I did notice it, but I just found the song boring in general. I don’t find it on par with any of his other singles. I wasn’t a fan of Star Boy, but enjoy it much more than this. Once I heard it, I meant to see what was going on here but I kept forgetting. I didn’t bother to even read through the few pages it has bc I don’t care for it. I’ve aged out of top 40 though at 35. I can’t do anymore Halsey or Dua Lipa.

[Leo ✔]

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[Leo ✔]

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[Leo ✔]

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[Glove Slap]

Jan 29, 2019 13:51:43 GMT -5 allow that said:

Jan 28, 2019 11:14:45 GMT -5 Keelzit said:

I'm personally indifferent towards the lyrics. I totally get how someone might find them problematic but at the same time, as someone who appreciates lyrics that come from personal experience, I can't blame Abel for putting out a song about a girl who might had said that in real life. Many people are bi-curious and experiment for a while (or even more than just a while) before accepting/deciding/whatever you wanna call it what their true sexuality is. There really are people who claim that their sexual attraction toward the same gender is just a phase to cover up the 'shame' of it and 'blame' it on whatever. It's not about what's offensive or not. It's about what happens in real life and that's definitely something that does happen no matter how triggering and ill-thinking it is. A bi person who has figured out their sexuality would never say 'it was just a phase' so the girl in the song is either sexually insecure or a liar. An interesting concept if you ask me. You can suggest Abel wanted the controversy, but not that he supports the 'just a phase' argument because that's not what I get from that lyric at all.

Abel's lyric is not about a bi person exploring their sexuality and finding themselves. It's about him exploiting it and fetishizing it for his own sexual gain. Big difference.

It can be both. The key line is the "you said...", which implies that this is something that the girl brings up with him rather than him putting it into her head. Then he exploits it (implying that he ultimately doesn't care, but it's still not the same thing as him telling her that she's going through a phase with women to bag a threeway), but Abel would gladly cast himself in the role of an individual like that in...like all of his material? Or at the least, if not on every song, every album (including the three mixtapes) has a spot where a song with this type of theme would not be out of place at all. I think the "fuck you straight" line is more cheesy than anything, but that may be because the very first line of this makes it tough for me to take any of it seriously at all.

I've been listening to this on and off and it still feels so dull overall. Every hint of potential is also surrounded by signs that they took one of the blandest options overall. Its run so far is reminding me of Maroon 5's This Summer... which also had a massively fast rise before stalling and crashing on airplay, and never gained lasting traction elsewhere.

wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/Songruns/6.28.15/m5_thissummer.htm

[Leo ✔]

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[Enigma.]

This is already stalling, good to see.

[Mayman]

How is a 1.1k bullet stalling?

[g8erboi]

The bullet has been decreasing for over a week and will continue to do so until this hits a brick wall, unfortunately.