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Post by Ivy Leegue™ on Nov 20, 2019 18:37:18 GMT -5
Still trying to understand how anyone could think Lizzo deserves a Traditional R&B for Jerome (as much as I love that song) and Urban Contemporary (is that what it was or was it straight up R&B song?) for...HOW I FUCKING FEEL. They bent over backwards for her and it shows.
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Post by willapted33 on Nov 20, 2019 18:38:44 GMT -5
imo Little Simz had the better album that Rhapsody/Meghan etc and deserved the nom over them
check it out if you haven't
but yeah all the rap categories suck, rooting for Suge in perf, Drip Too Hard in rap/sung, a lot in song and IGOR in album
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Post by Au$tin on Nov 20, 2019 19:01:18 GMT -5
My girl JoJo got a Grammy nomination!!! It's as a feature, but still a win for her. I don't think JoJo got that nomination, unfortunately. Say So was nominated for R&B Song, but PJ Morton is the only credited writer. Shhh, let me have this. |
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Post by ddlz on Nov 20, 2019 19:24:17 GMT -5
It's funny how people have a problem with Lil Nas X and Lizzo's noms, but don't care about H.E.R., whose noms are, by far, the most bizarre thing here.
A very few publications that bothered to review her album gave it a lukewarm reviews, so she's really got nothing going for it - no hits, no acclaim. This adoration is absolutely mind-boggling.
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Post by wavey. on Nov 20, 2019 19:24:27 GMT -5
I need Ari to go for a back to back win for Pop Vocal.
If you follow H.E.R's artistry, you would see why she's nominated multiple times last year and this year. Like I said earlier, what they go off in terms of who to nominate is a plethora of things, not just if you have a hit or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 19:26:03 GMT -5
I'm happy that Camila and Shawn got a nomination for pop vocal performance by a duo or group for Senorita. I hope Mili Vanilla couple wins nothing! |
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Post by willapted33 on Nov 20, 2019 19:26:50 GMT -5
i agree, HER is very overrated
i'd say Ventura deserves the R&B spot if anything
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Post by dann on Nov 20, 2019 19:43:18 GMT -5
Thinking here, voters may have a fetish for albums titled with numbers.
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Post by Rican@ on Nov 20, 2019 19:52:03 GMT -5
I didn’t expect all of that for HER. I did know “Hard Place” will make it in ROTY or SOTY due to her random performance and the producers requested her to perform this year, but not both—thought SOTY would be more favorable for the song. Her not showing up in R&B album is interesting because I mentioned this EP—can we call it that?—was definitely intentional before the deadline.
Beyonce’s Lion King is laughable in Pop. It should have definitely been in Urban Contemporary. Even “Spirit” is laughable, but she’s Beyonce. Shocked not to see “Before I Let Go” in R&B Performance though.
The Lizzo is something even album tracks got in, remind me of old times when top nominees get album tracks in.
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Post by Envoirment on Nov 20, 2019 20:06:35 GMT -5
Happy with the noms overall - surprised at the amount Lizzo got, but so happy for her. Hopefully she'll win a few.
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Post by Caviar on Nov 20, 2019 20:53:17 GMT -5
It’s weird how the R&B voters want to be done with Beyonce. Her usually Urban/Contemp Album nom/win aside, they seemed to have moved on from her. I wouldn’t be surprise if the comnittee rejected those albums leaving pop to pick up the scraps. Hell she even lost Urban/Contemp to Pharrell!
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Post by forg on Nov 20, 2019 22:10:18 GMT -5
Billie's brother Finneas got Producer of the Year at 22 years old and with just Billie's album. I think that signifies there's likely strong industry support for Eilish.
I don't think Lana Del Rey has a shot to win AOTY because she missed Pop Vocal album nod where she had been nominated twice before. She's just like this year's Lorde (Melodrama) but with an additional SOTY nod accompanying it.
Has there been any AOTY winner recently that didn't get a genre nod nomination?
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Post by groovy on Nov 20, 2019 22:51:02 GMT -5
Her usually Urban/Contemp Album nom/win aside, they seemed to have moved on from her. I wouldn’t be surprise if the comnittee rejected those albums leaving pop to pick up the scraps. Beyonce’s Lion King is laughable in Pop. It should have definitely been in Urban Contemporary. Bey's team had two albums to submit. They submitted HOMECOMING to Urban Contemporary and Lion King: The Gift to Pop Vocal so they didn't have to clash with each other. Also, she has been ignored in Urban Contemporary before with 4 which didn't get any album nominations. |
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Post by aussie1 on Nov 20, 2019 23:59:33 GMT -5
Dead at the Pop categories. You need to calm down and spirt in pop solo? Yikes. Pop duo is also a mess but I guess the nominated songs are kinda of the best we got this year.
Rooting for Billie to sweep. I do However want to see Ariana leave with a Grammy, maybe record of the year for 7 rings. Also would love to see Lover win song of the year.
H.E.R is already a Grammy darling it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 0:42:05 GMT -5
Bey's team had two albums to submit. They submitted HOMECOMING to Urban Contemporary and Lion King: The Gift to Pop Vocal so they didn't have to clash with each other. Also, she has been ignored in Urban Contemporary before with 4 which didn't get any album nominations. Urban Contemporary Album didn't exist when 4 came out. (It did miss whatever album category she submitted to.) Her usually Urban/Contemp Album nom/win aside, they seemed to have moved on from her. I wouldn’t be surprise if the comnittee rejected those albums leaving pop to pick up the scraps. This is a bit hyperbolic. The year she lost urban contemporary album to Pharrell, Drunk In Love still won r&b performance and r&b song. The Carters also got an undeserved r&b performance nomination for Summer to go along with their eyeroll worthy UC album win. Lemonade didn't get any r&b perf/song nods, but she was so busy trying to rack up performance nods in other genres with that one that she probably took r&b for granted and forgot to direct any energy there. Even going back to 4, Love On Top won traditional r&b performance in 2013, a somewhat belated make-up for her only receiving a lone rap/sung nod for Party the year before. The losses to Pharrell and Adele really just underscore that if Columbia has more than one act to support, Beyonce will not be their priority for the win. That's not an r&b vote problem, that's a label vote problem. She probably picked the wrong r&b categories to submit to this year - a live set makes more sense in R&B album and BILG should have gone to traditional r&b - but still, this will be her first time completely missing urban contemporary album since the category has existed* (as well as her first time being wholly absent from the r&b/urban field with any eligible era) and that is definitely out of the norm for her. Pop voters meanwhile aren't obligated to recognize anyone's 'scraps' (and many times don't), and that makes the pop album/pop solo nominations all the more strange. It's been over five years since Beyonce has given the pop audience the time of day, and TLK soundtrack definitely wasn't made with them in mind. So it's just weird that pop voters would care to acknowledge her at all after all this time. I had completely forgotten that Hold Up got a pop solo nomination in 2017 though so maybe I shouldn't have been so caught off guard. *Urban contemporary is so obviously stacked in Lizzo's favor this year that I honestly wonder if Beyonce's absence is less about Beyonce...but that is another conspiracy theory for another day. |
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Post by korbel16 on Nov 21, 2019 0:48:37 GMT -5
The most nominated acts Lizzo (8) Billie Eilish (6) & Lil Nas X (6) goes to show 2019 was the year of up and coming artists dominating the music industry
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Post by Future Captain on Nov 21, 2019 0:53:50 GMT -5
Surprised that Lana got in AOTY over Taylor but happy for her nonetheless. Also, how the hell did Lil Nas X get into AOTY? Considering there's no clear frontrunner in the category I'm holding out hope that maybe Billie can surprise and get it, though I guess Ariana or the critic favorite nominees will get it.
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Post by Az Paynter on Nov 21, 2019 2:22:10 GMT -5
"Peak Stan twitter" nominations but I am just now learning that BTS got a grand total of 0 nominations, and K-Pop stans are taking it out on Halsey (who made it a point on her own Twitter that the biggest hit of her career got snubbed as well).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 3:48:56 GMT -5
"Peak Stan twitter" nominations but I am just now learning that BTS got a grand total of 0 nominations, and K-Pop stans are taking it out on Halsey (who made it a point on her own Twitter that the biggest hit of her career got snubbed as well). This makes literally zero sense...not that k-pop stans often do, but having just looked up that situation, that a very special level of devoid of logic. Like girl has all of one nomination as a featured artist herself, what really do you think she can or was supposed to do for someone else? But also reminds me, that's who could/should have had Beyonce's pop solo spot. I've been scratching my head off and on all day trying to recall who should have been there. |
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Post by groovy on Nov 21, 2019 4:14:51 GMT -5
Bey's team had two albums to submit. They submitted HOMECOMING to Urban Contemporary and Lion King: The Gift to Pop Vocal so they didn't have to clash with each other. Also, she has been ignored in Urban Contemporary before with 4 which didn't get any album nominations. Urban Contemporary Album didn't exist when 4 came out. (It did miss whatever album category she submitted to.) Oh you're right! It was the first year they decided to merge R&B and Contemporary R&B to just 'R&B' which Chris Brown won that year, leading into backlash that his Pop/Hip-Hop-leaning album did not deserve to compete with 'real' R&B albums so they decided to make a new category the next year; Urban Contemporary which is basically the same thing as Contemporary R&B.  |
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Post by groovy on Nov 21, 2019 4:25:45 GMT -5
"Peak Stan twitter" nominations but I am just now learning that BTS got a grand total of 0 nominations, and K-Pop stans are taking it out on Halsey (who made it a point on her own Twitter that the biggest hit of her career got snubbed as well). *BTS stans. Other K-Pop stans hate the ARMY's. I agree that "Without Me" should've been nominated as well, at least for Pop solo! |
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Post by Choco on Nov 21, 2019 5:43:09 GMT -5
Without Me is a better song than Spirit at the very least. 🤷♂️
Regarding Megan Thee Stallion, she'll probably land a few nods whenever she releases an album. The idea that Nicki did anything Grammy worthy this year was a choice from that writer... I mean if Queen got zero love what did they expect for her mostly reductive singles this year?
I like HER but she was overrewarded this year. The EP was not it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 6:45:31 GMT -5
Happy for Billie, Lizzo, Vampire Weekend, Rosalía, James Blake, J. Cole & Lana Del Rey.
Tyler, The Creator should have gotten in instead of Lil' Nas X. What. The. Hell. Was. That.?
Pop really needs a committee really bad. Like years ago bad.
Overall, not bad nominations but some head scratchers though.
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Post by PGriffin on Nov 21, 2019 12:07:54 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why rapper Lizzo was not nominated in the rap categories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 13:02:09 GMT -5
Happy for Billie, Lizzo, Vampire Weekend, Rosalía, James Blake, J. Cole & Lana Del Rey. Tyler, The Creator should have gotten in instead of Lil' Nas X. What. The. Hell. Was. That.?Pop really needs a committee really bad. Like years ago bad. Overall, not bad nominations but some head scratchers though. I was doing my annual post-Grammy Wiki walk this morning and realized that Tyler and LNX are both Columbia artists. So no wonder. Label priorities. I don't think a pop committee would fix the problems that the pop category has had. Like, a committee would not have prevented Ed Sheeran from beating out a field full of (subjectively) superior albums and songs in the final vote based off commercial success and seemingly little else. The voters are going to find ways to do their messy voter thing no matter what. At best a committee would filter out stuff like the Beyonce submissions, but Beyonce is literally the only person this rule would ever affect so it would be pointless. Anyway, I'm pretty sure the reason pop doesn't have a committee is because that field is where stuff gets dumped after all the other genre committees say they don't want something. Pop is purposely set up so that it can't reject anything, really. I still rue the day the Grammys caved in to all the outside pressure to try to trim the # of categories they have. The number of awards was never the problem and anyone who thought it was clearly wasn't anyone in tune with the music industry. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 21, 2019 13:19:34 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why rapper Lizzo was not nominated in the rap categories. It appears they don’t view her as a rapper. |
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Post by kimberly on Nov 21, 2019 13:51:57 GMT -5
I'm confused as to why rapper Lizzo was not nominated in the rap categories. It appears they don’t view her as a rapper. I think it's not that they don't view her as a rapper but more so the fact that Cuz I Love You is not really a rap album. I do think, though, along their definitions, Lizzo could have got a Rap/Sung nomination for a majority of her output. If "Hotline Bling" won that category, "7 rings" and "Truth Hurts" (I am aware both are in pop) are not far off. Heck, at least they both have remixes with rap verses. |
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Post by jenglisbe on Nov 21, 2019 14:45:33 GMT -5
It appears they don’t view her as a rapper. I think it's not that they don't view her as a rapper but more so the fact that Cuz I Love You is not really a rap album. I do think, though, along their definitions, Lizzo could have got a Rap/Sung nomination for a majority of her output. If "Hotline Bling" won that category, "7 rings" and "Truth Hurts" (I am aware both are in pop) are not far off. Heck, at least they both have remixes with rap verses. The remixes weren’t submitted, though. But I agree “TH” could have gone Rap/Sung. |
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Post by wjr15 on Nov 21, 2019 15:48:35 GMT -5
I guess for Lizzo it comes down to whether you view her as a rapper who sings or a singer who raps.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:49:32 GMT -5
Atlantic was putting Lizzo any and everywhere and clearly had no reservations about submitting non-singles, so it would actually be a big surprise if they didn't submit something to rap or rap/sung. Tempo would have been an obvious attempt.
But rap paid dust to every female being except for Cardi's feature on Clout...even rap/sung has no women in it, which has never occurred before. How anyone views Lizzo might have been a moot point this year.
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