2020 Grammy Awards

[Caviar]

Ridiculous. So recordings released in Sept this year won't be recognized until 17 months later (Feb 2021).

[Au$tin]

Mar 26, 2019 13:55:20 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Ridiculous. So recordings released in Sept this year won't be recognized until 17 months later (Feb 2021).

Is that really any different than albums/songs released in October being nominated 16 months later?

[Caviar]

Mar 26, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Mar 26, 2019 13:55:20 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Ridiculous. So recordings released in Sept this year won't be recognized until 17 months later (Feb 2021).

Is that really any different than albums/songs released in October being nominated 16 months later?

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18 months is extremely outdated and unnecessary though. No reason why it shouldn’t be on a calendar year.

[Au$tin]

Mar 26, 2019 15:47:49 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Mar 26, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Is that really any different than albums/songs released in October being nominated 16 months later?

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18 months is extremely outdated and unnecessary though. No reason why it shouldn’t be on a calendar year.

The process is extremely time consuming. There's always going to be a long time in between the end of the eligibility period and the actual ceremony. In the old way, this was the timeline:

Eligibility period: October 2018-September 2019

Then it took three months for the entire process of labels submitting music the Grammy panel*, a panel determining whether or not the submissions actually qualify, the panel listening to the submissions and voting on them, and for the Grammys to tally the votes.

*Technically this is done before the eligibility period ends, but it's still part of the process.

Nominees Announced: December 2019

Then the process of the panel voting based off the nominees takes place, then tallying the votes, and of course all the while setting up the show itself: the hose, the performers, the presenters, the stage design, the lighting, the timing, etc.

Ceremony: February 2020

In this new way, everything is just shifted up ever so slightly that there really isn't much of a time difference between then and now.

Eligiblity Period: October 2018-August 2019
Nominees Announced: presumably November 2019, though that's not confirmed yet
Ceremony: January 2020

So being upset over the length of the time frame from the change seems irrelevant since that's pretty much been how it's been for 40+ years (it's literally just 2 weeks longer). I understand being critical of the time length itself (because one would think in today's technological world it could be a tad bit speedier), but not so much in regards to the change.

I do wholeheartedly agree that the eligibility period is wonky af, though. There's no reason the period couldn't be January-December with the ceremony taking place in the late spring. (Aside from Billboard being mad that it would then be close to the BBMAs, but who would actually care?)

[kimberly]

I genuinely don’t understand why they still need so much time to determine the nominees and vote. Didn’t they just switch to digital, or were planning to at least? 5 months worth of music released before the ceremony will be ineligible, that’s crazy! (I mean this has been the case for a while now but yeah)

[Caviar]

Mar 26, 2019 17:00:20 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I genuinely don’t understand why they still need so much time to determine the nominees and vote. Didn’t they just switch to digital, or were planning to at least? 5 months worth of music released before the ceremony will be ineligible, that’s crazy! (I mean this has been the case for a while now but yeah)

They totally could've moved the ceremony two weeks BACK (what's the big deal going before the Oscars anyway) and pushed the eligibility back towards Oct/Nov 30.

[born]

They’re old. That would cause numerous heart attacks.

[Deleted]

Mar 26, 2019 17:00:20 GMT -5 kimberly said:

I genuinely don’t understand why they still need so much time to determine the nominees and vote. Didn’t they just switch to digital, or were planning to at least? 5 months worth of music released before the ceremony will be ineligible, that’s crazy! (I mean this has been the case for a while now but yeah)

Yeah, this past year was their first year going digital.

This would have been the perfect opportunity/excuse for NARAS to tweak its timeline, but that would be too much like right.

[jenglisbe]

Mar 26, 2019 15:47:49 GMT -5 Caviar said:

Mar 26, 2019 15:27:35 GMT -5 Au$tin said:

Is that really any different than albums/songs released in October being nominated 16 months later?

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18 months is extremely outdated and unnecessary though. No reason why it shouldn’t be on a calendar year.

I don't get why they have to be before the Oscars. Why not be a few weeks after the Oscars? Either way the timeline for voting on nominees and winners needs to be shortened, but they could do a calendar year thing if they would air after the Oscars. Of course, at this point it would take them several years to get there since they are now so far back into the calendar year. Crazy.

[theonlyone]

I agree that they really should be on a calendar year! Do they not realize it would probably help TV ratings too, if people saw more albums recently released nominated instead of ones that came out nearly a year prior.

[shayonce]

grammy is messy as usual. lol
and 1 week before/after oscar is fine in this age. like.. who go crazy over 1 week in this social media era. every news is shortspan.

here is comparison.

Grammy

Submission End : August 22, 2018 (for reocrd released by Sept. 30, 2018)
↓ (56 days)
Fist Voting : Oct. 17, 2018 ~ Oct. 31, 2018 (14 days)
↓ (35 days)
Nomination Out : Dec. 5, 2018
↓ (7 days)
Final Voting : Dec. 13, 2018 ~ Jan. 9, 2019 (27 days)
↓ (32 days)
Award Show : Feb. 10, 2019

Golden Globe

Submission End : October 31, 2018 (for movie/TV show released til December 31 )
↓ (21 days)
Fist Voting : November 21, 2018 ~ December 2, 2018 (11 days)
↓ (4 days)
Nomination :Thursday, December 6, 2018
↓ (11 days)
Final Voting : December 17, 2018 ~ January 2, 2019 (16 days)
↓ (4 days)
Award Show : Sunday, January 6, 2019

Oscar

Submission End : November 15, 2018
↓ (22 days)
Fist Voting : January 7, 2019 ~ January 14, 2019 (7 days)
↓ (8 days)
Nomination : January 22, 2019
↓ (21 days)
Final Voting : February 12, 2019 ~ February 19, 2019 (7 days)
↓ (5 days)
Award Show : February 24, 2019

[14887fan]

Best New Artist - Lizzo

[gabe]

I think Dancing With a Stranger is a lock for Best Pop Duo/Group Performance

[jenglisbe]

Apr 22, 2019 14:58:11 GMT -5 gabe said:

I think Dancing With a Stranger is a lock for Best Pop Duo/Group Performance

What if "OTR" goes there? Lol.

Anyway what is the competition? "Please Me" could go there as well. And "Sunflower."

[Deleted]

Apr 22, 2019 15:05:24 GMT -5 jenglisbe said:

Apr 22, 2019 14:58:11 GMT -5 gabe said:

I think Dancing With a Stranger is a lock for Best Pop Duo/Group Performance

What if "OTR" goes there? Lol.

Anyway what is the competition? "Please Me" could go there as well. And "Sunflower."

Seeing what Columbia tries to do with OTR (and how the committees handle that) will be fun. I don't think it will end up in pop though.

Please Me should and will be submitted to rap/sung, which would probably be the case even if it had become a pop radio hit, but almost definitely will be the case since it didn't. (Other potential scenario is Cardi landing a much bigger collab hit before deadline and Please Me not getting submitted anywhere.)

Maybe gabe just meant DWAS is a lock for a nomination, not necessarily a win? Although off the top of my head, there isn't much competition for it right now - I think DWAS, Close To Me, Sucker, Sunflower, and This Feeling are the only eligible collaborations to even reach top 10 on pop this year; This Feeling was barely a hit, and Sunflower might go to rap/sung (solo Post Malone would get rejected by the rap committee, but they were fine with accepting Rockstar in that category). Last year was extremely weird with BSB, Christina, and Tony Bennett all getting nominations, but I can't think of anything this year that might pull a similar surprise nod. Maybe the summer will bring more to compete with.

[jenglisbe]

It definitely seems all up in the air for Pop Duo/Group. I think we also need to keep in mind Sam Smith didn't get any noms for his last project, despite having a top 5 hit. To that end he isn't a Grammy fave like people thought after his wins his first year.

[14887fan]

New president of the TRA will be Deborah Dugan.
www.billboard.com/articles/business/8510723/recording-academy-ceo-deborah-dugan-change-interview

[collegedropout]

Only a few months left and I can only think of a few legitimate AOTY candidates:

Ariana Grande, Billie Eilish, Lizzo, 21 Savage and maybe A Star is Born.

[Caviar]

"Without Me" and "Thank You, Next" are shoo-ins for Record and Pop Song.

[jodakyellow]

May 15, 2019 10:26:46 GMT -5 Caviar said:

"Without Me" and "Thank You, Next" are shoo-ins for Record and Pop Song.

I'd call "Thank U, Next" a shoo-in for both for sure. "Without Me" certainly has Pop Song in the bag; I'm less convinced about its ROTY chances.

If it were up to me, they'd cancel the Grammys this year and replace it with three hours of Lizzo doing literally whatever the fuck she wants.

[areyoureadytojump]

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=316496&title=TWO-JEWS-CHEW-ON-THE-GRAMMYS

Thursday, May 23, 2019

TWO JEWS CHEW ON THE GRAMMYS
by Lenny Beer and Simon Glickman

In the first installment of a series that will continue through next year's Grammys, the Vaudeville team of Beer and Glickman looks at some likely contenders.

Who are the early favorites for Grammy love next year? Alongside obvious, deserving frontrunners like established chart-toppers Ariana Grande and Halsey, we’re betting that a trio of newer, slightly more unusual acts are going to garner top-tier nominations.

Billie Eilish and Tyler, The Creator have both seized the spotlight by coloring outside the lines, and their success in the marketplace is good for the business overall—because they are more than hit songs. They’re artists with their own point of view, creating work that stands outside of prevailing pop trends. They’re eccentric, and eccentric artists are the ones who break down boundaries.

Eilish has virtually invented her own subgenre with her hushed dynamics, anguished lyrics and horror-flick aesthetics. Her WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO? (Darkroom/Interscope) is a powerful, cathartic, at times confounding listen.

Tyler’s restlessly creative IGOR (Columbia) blends avant-garde touches, old-school hip-hop beats and alternative-pop melodies, at times suggesting a mutated reincarnation of the Native Tongues rap school (A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, et al).

Neither album gives up all its secrets on first listen, but repeat plays reveal ever-greater depth. Each is exactly the sort of album, from exactly the sort of artist, that Grammy should reward.

Lil Nas X, on the other hand, has exploded into the pop mainstream and even transcended it, creating, in the country-trap hybrid “Old Town Road” (Columbia), a full-fledged cultural phenomenon. This thing has crossed every known barrier, and it’s still growing. We believe Grammy—which has, in recent years, missed the boat on several culture-shifting records—will make the right call and give Lil Nas some top-tier nods.

[Music Fan]

May 23, 2019 16:30:51 GMT -5 areyoureadytojump said:

hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=316496&title=TWO-JEWS-CHEW-ON-THE-GRAMMYS
Lil Nas X, on the other hand, has exploded into the pop mainstream and even transcended it, creating, in the country-trap hybrid “Old Town Road” (Columbia), a full-fledged cultural phenomenon. This thing has crossed every known barrier, and it’s still growing. We believe Grammy—which has, in recent years, missed the boat on several culture-shifting records—will make the right call and give Lil Nas some top-tier nods.

The article was going pretty well until the end there. I love the song, but really?

[Choco]

Early predictions by BB:
www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/8513436/grammy-album-of-the-year-three-months-left-grammy-eligibility?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

They listed BTS' album, so it's a rather clickbait-y article.

[jodakyellow]

May 31, 2019 10:43:57 GMT -5 Choco said:

Early predictions by BB:
www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/8513436/grammy-album-of-the-year-three-months-left-grammy-eligibility?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

They listed BTS' album, so it's a rather clickbait-y article.

Billboard loves that BTS fanbase traffic more than it loves accurate reporting.

[Choco]

May 31, 2019 10:47:06 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

May 31, 2019 10:43:57 GMT -5 Choco said:

Early predictions by BB:
www.billboard.com/articles/news/awards/8513436/grammy-album-of-the-year-three-months-left-grammy-eligibility?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

They listed BTS' album, so it's a rather clickbait-y article.

Billboard loves that BTS fanbase traffic more than it loves accurate reporting.

Yeah, I was willing to ignore their chart-bias (i.e. "omg every album that went #1 is a strong contender!"), and the usual Beyoncé bias ("omg homecoming album of the yearrrrrrr"), but the BTS mention made me close the whole thing.

[Troublemaker]

 @ them calling Ella Mai’s album an EP

[jodakyellow]

May 31, 2019 10:53:34 GMT -5 Choco said:

May 31, 2019 10:47:06 GMT -5 jodakyellow said:

Billboard loves that BTS fanbase traffic more than it loves accurate reporting.

Yeah, I was willing to ignore their chart-bias (i.e. "omg every album that went #1 is a strong contender!"), and the usual Beyoncé bias ("omg homecoming album of the yearrrrrrr"), but the BTS mention made me close the whole thing.

You say, "Beyoncé-bias," I say, "taste." 

But yes, this is a ridiculous article. My other issues with it:

— Way too many albums listed. Calm down.
— "Irresistible" misspelled as "irresistable"
— Lumping Lizzo and Megan Thee Stallion together as one entry

[Choco]

Yeah, Lizzo in particular is gaining a lot of traction lately. Not sure she's getting enough to be on the AOTY conversation just yet, but lumping her with another act is particularly dumb.

RE: Beyoncé, if this was another studio album, sure... but it's a live album of material that has mostly won or gotten nods before. I did a quick search and apparently two live albums have won before, so it's not impossible but IDK.

[jodakyellow]

May 31, 2019 20:08:36 GMT -5 Choco said:

Yeah, Lizzo in particular is gaining a lot of traction lately. Not sure she's getting enough to be on the AOTY conversation just yet, but lumping her with another act is particularly dumb.

RE: Beyoncé, if this was another studio album, sure... but it's a live album of material that has mostly won or gotten nods before. I did a quick search and apparently two live albums have won before, so it's not impossible but IDK.

I don’t think Homecoming will win AOTY, but since she hasn’t won yet I think the academy could decide it’s harmless to give her another nomination and pat themselves on the back for continuing to celebrate her in their own half-assed way

[Deleted]

I don't think Thank U, Next is getting nominated for SOTY/ROTY I'm pretty sure Ariana will submit 7 Ringz