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Post by fhas on Mar 4, 2019 18:49:18 GMT -5
Thotiana was robbed last week and it going top 10 this week (with a 24% increase in streams) confirms that only one video was counted. They need a better tracking system for YouTube asap.
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 4, 2019 18:50:15 GMT -5
I still don't get how Shallow got to No1 with such weak stats.Speaking of Ariana,it seems weird NTLTC couldn't even debut No2,with God's plan being way after its peak.Maybe it has to do with Shallow being higher on the on demand streaming chart.7 rings was higher on both streaming and radio and by a considerable margin for 100,000 sales to be enough.Anyways, congrats to Gaga for her 4th leader! Well, "Shallow" sold nearly 100k more than "7R" (more than 4x as much). The week "NTLTC" debuted, it sold 100k and Drake's songs sold 33k and 28k, respectively. Those gaps are obviously closer than "Shallow" to "7R." Drake's #1 song had higher streams than "7R" this past week, and his #2 song had much higher airplay than "7R" this past week. |
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Post by fhas on Mar 4, 2019 18:57:52 GMT -5
"Meanwhile, as "Shallow" is the top-selling song of the week and "Rings" is the most-streamed, Halsey's former Hot 100 No. 1 "Without Me," now at No. 3, takes over as the most-heard hit on radio." This is actually a cool stat. When is the last time the three components each had a different track at #1 and they were the top three on the Hot 100? curious too September 1 1. In My Feelings (streaming #1: 59.4M) 2. Girls Like You (radio #1: 128.0M) 3. I Like It (sales #1: 32.0k) |
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Post by brady47 on Mar 4, 2019 19:02:35 GMT -5
I honestly thought Gaga would never be as big as she was since the release of "Applause" and her struggles with Artpop. I am so glad she proved me wrong, this reminds me of Madonna's "Ray of Light" comeback. There is no correlation between "ASIB" and "Ray of Light". LMAO. Firstly, "Ray of Light" was a solo-released studio album and not a movie soundtrack album. Secondly, when Madonna released the album she wasn't 'coming back' from anything. She had a 7 week number-one single on the Hot 100 only 3 years before with her "Bedtime Stories" album and two top tens on the Hot 100 only the year before with the "Evita" OST. "Ray of Light" put Madonna onto a whole new level and was her biggest album since "Like a Prayer" - a 9 year gap. "Frozen" was her biggest worldwide hit since "Vogue" - an 8 year gap. "Ray of Light" brought Madonna onto a whole new level and was not only critically acclaimed, but also commercially successful after years of backlash from the general public. So yes, I feel they're similar even though you do not :) |
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Post by sbk on Mar 4, 2019 19:03:02 GMT -5
I still don't get how Shallow got to No1 with such weak stats.Speaking of Ariana,it seems weird NTLTC couldn't even debut No2,with God's plan being way after its peak.Maybe it has to do with Shallow being higher on the on demand streaming chart.7 rings was higher on both streaming and radio and by a considerable margin for 100,000 sales to be enough.Anyways, congrats to Gaga for her 4th leader! I tried using the Hot 100 formula I saw before in a prediction thread: sales/6 + airplay/7000 + paid streams/1500 + free streams/2250 + programmed streams/3000 Using some quick estimates: ShallowSales: 115k = 19167 pts Airplay: 34.8 million = 4971 pts Youtube: 12.8 million = 5689 pts Free on-demand streams (est): 1.44 million = 640 pts Paid on-demand streams (est): 12.32 million = 8213 pts Programmed streams: 0.74 million = 247 pts Total points: 38927 pts7 RingsSales: 23k = 3833 pts Airplay: 80.8 million = 11543 pts Youtube: 11.9 million = 5289 pts Free on-demand streams (est): 2.57 million = 1142 pts Paid on-demand streams (est): 21.57 million = 14380 pts Programmed streams: 7.86 million = 2620 pts Total points: 38807 pts And the real sales number is probably a bit higher than 115k, as Billboard always subtract CMA when they report sales but will include the 'lost' sales for the Hot 100. |
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Post by brady47 on Mar 4, 2019 19:03:49 GMT -5
I still don't get how Shallow got to No1 with such weak stats.Speaking of Ariana,it seems weird NTLTC couldn't even debut No2,with God's plan being way after its peak.Maybe it has to do with Shallow being higher on the on demand streaming chart.7 rings was higher on both streaming and radio and by a considerable margin for 100,000 sales to be enough.Anyways, congrats to Gaga for her 4th leader! NTLTC's first week was stronger than Shallow this week. Well, last month Happier and BUWYGIB were stronger than Shallow but 7 rings blocked both songs. That's one of the funniest things about music charts: sometimes you just need the perfect timing. Yup, Shallow snuck in a week at #1, but "Bad Romance" got stuck at #2 for 7 weeks behind some of the biggest hits. Timing is everything. |
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Post by brady47 on Mar 4, 2019 19:05:23 GMT -5
Better (not perfect) example is The Emancipation Of Mimi. That was a bigger deal though because that album had I think 3 huge hits and Shallow is just one. But I think it's similar in that after this the career boost from Shallow will be enough to get her at least once or twice onto some 2020's year end hot 100's In terms of US success maybe, but "TEOM" was not as big worldwide. ASIB and Shallow are dominating worldwide |
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Post by Choco on Mar 4, 2019 19:14:43 GMT -5
Gaga's next move should be an album full of stadium rock anthems and country-pop ballads. If she goes back to DJ White/BloodPop/etc. trash, then she deserves that her career ends.  So... Joanne? She already did that. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be on her shoes right now. How does she follow up the ASIB success? She tried going poppier with "The Cure" and it didn't quite hit (but she didn't really promote it much either...), she tried the country flavored thing with Joanne and it didn't quite hit either... I'm really curious about what comes next for her. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 4, 2019 19:18:50 GMT -5
The Cure was so bland though. I think she could go poppy but she needs the weirdness to make it her own. The Cure was not textbook Gaga.
Personally I’d be all about an album of arena rock-type pop. Like an updated Born This Way but maybe with more southern and country integrated into it.
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Post by Naos on Mar 4, 2019 19:20:43 GMT -5
The Cure was so bland though. I think she could go poppy but she needs the weirdness to make it her own. The Cure was not textbook Gaga. Personally I’d be all about an album of arena rock-type pop. Like an updated Born This Way but maybe with more southern and country integrated into it. It'll probably be closer to country than a lot of country radio. |
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Post by ddlz on Mar 4, 2019 19:23:10 GMT -5
Gaga's next move should be an album full of stadium rock anthems and country-pop ballads. If she goes back to DJ White/BloodPop/etc. trash, then she deserves that her career ends. So... Joanne? She already did that. And now she can do better, more fully realized version of Joanne. Pop album is not an option, and neither are trend-chasing Spotify baits. The key to success and relevance are larger-than-life songs that will make her stand out and separate from the rest. |
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Post by chartfreak on Mar 4, 2019 19:51:32 GMT -5
I still don't understand how Shallow going #1 is going to benefit her next release, or that it sets it up for success. I mean pop hardly played the song. Because there’s more to popularity than pop radio. True, but we all know why this is currently #1. |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Mar 4, 2019 19:53:16 GMT -5
Because there’s more to popularity than pop radio. True, but we all know why this is currently #1. Yep but even if it hadn’t, the song had already been well-known and will likely go down as one of the biggest movie songs of the decade, not to mention one of Gaga’s most well-known songs. |
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Post by garrettlen on Mar 4, 2019 20:09:37 GMT -5
I have to say that when this song came out I never thought it would get anywhere near #1. So regardless of what it took to get there, it is very impressive that it actually made it to the top position.
So congrats Gaga and Bradley; and it's nice to see just a regular pop song at #1 again!
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Post by Kris on Mar 4, 2019 20:13:34 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart?
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Post by tommy1860 on Mar 4, 2019 20:29:31 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart? I know a few of those American Idol number ones missed the year end chart entirely, so it won’t so long as it makes it somewhere in the top 100. |
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Post by Naos on Mar 4, 2019 20:33:51 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart? #99, I believe. Taylor Hicks' "Do I Make You Proud". |
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Post by spicymapping on Mar 4, 2019 20:34:05 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart? I doubt it'll be low. Comparing it to this decade's #1 flops of HIAM and TIA Shallow has been consistent before its climb to #1, and even if it plummets, it had much more consistency on the front end than those 2. Expecting to see it somewhere in the top 50. |
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2019 20:34:08 GMT -5
This year end chart obsession here. I do not understand.
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Post by brady47 on Mar 4, 2019 20:35:23 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart? In terms of non-American Idol singles, the most recent ones that come to mind are: Hold It Against Me - Britney Spears: #60 (2011) This is America - Childish Gambino: #51 (2018) Crack a Bottle - Eminem f. Dr. Dre & 50 Cent: #47 (2009) Bootylicious - Destiny's Child: #42 (2001) |
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Post by Caviar on Mar 4, 2019 20:37:27 GMT -5
This year end chart obsession here. I do not understand. It makes zero sense to me as well. No one outside this thread cares about them. |
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Post by somelikeitwhen on Mar 4, 2019 20:38:00 GMT -5
Curious Shallow's position on the year end after the Oscar hype dies down. What's the lowest peaking #1 on a YE chart? There were like 5 or 6 that didn't even make the list. Mostly American Idol songs although there might've been some prior to the SoundScan/BDS era. |
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Post by Naos on Mar 4, 2019 20:46:46 GMT -5
This year end chart obsession here. I do not understand. Because people's year-end lists (including a lot of critics) and rankdowns come from those. Plus, a lot of people consider longevity as far more important than peak. Why is there such a peak obsession? |
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Post by Naos on Mar 4, 2019 20:46:59 GMT -5
New arrivals this week:
#100 - "Faucet Failure" by Ski Mask The Slump God
#97 - "Same Young Ni**a" by Gunna ft. Playboi Carti
#95 - "Good As You" by Kane Brown
#94 - "I Guess I Just Feel Like" by John Mayer
#91 - "Speed It Up" by Gunna
#87 - "Girls Need Love" by Summer Walker & Drake
#86 - "Lick" by Offset
#75 - "Wit It" by Gunna
#74 - "3 Headed Snake" by Gunna ft. Young Thug
#72 - "Be Like Me" by Lil Pump ft. Lil Wayne
#70 - "Outstanding" by Gunna
#65 - "How Did I Get Here" by Offset ft. J. Cole
#64 - "Clout" by Offset ft. Cardi B
#54 - "Walk Me Home" by P!nk
#49 - "Legacy" by Offset ft. Travis Scott & 21 Savage
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Post by Gary on Mar 4, 2019 20:52:42 GMT -5
This year end chart obsession here. I do not understand. Because people's year-end lists (including a lot of critics) and rankdowns come from those. Plus, a lot of people consider longevity as far more important than peak. Why is there such a peak obsession? Peaks happen all the time. Year end charts happen at year end |
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Post by Gary on Mar 4, 2019 21:00:42 GMT -5
Jonas Brothers Return to Pop Songs Chart With New Single 'Sucker'
3/4/2019 by Gary Trust
The song is the trio's first entry since 2013.
Jonas Brothers notch their first entry on Billboard's Pop Songs radio airplay chart since 2013, as new single "Sucker" debuts at No. 28 (on the survey dated March 9).
song, released on Republic Records, launches with just three days of airplay, following its release at midnight ET Friday (March 1). It logs the highest start of the trio's seven total entries.
Here's a look at the group's history on Pop Songs (which ranks titles by weekly plays on a panel of 167 mainstream top 40 stations, according to Nielsen Music).
Peak Position, Title, Peak Date
No. 24, "S.O.S.," Dec. 1, 2007
No. 16, "When You Look Me in the Eyes," April 5, 2008
No. 12, "Burnin' Up," Aug. 23, 2008
No. 29, "Lovebug," Nov. 15, 2008
No. 27, "Paranoid," July 18, 2009
No. 34, "First Time," Aug. 31, 2013
No. 28 (to date), "Sucker," March 9, 2019
Apart from the threesome, Nick and Joe Jonas have reached the Pop Songs top 10. Nick has logged three top 10s: "Jealous" (No. 2), "Chains" (No. 6; both in 2015) and "Close," featuring Tove Lo (No. 10, 2016). As a member of DNCE, Joe hit No. 2 in 2016 thanks to the act's "Cake by the Ocean."
All charts will update tomorrow (March 5) on Billboard.com.
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Post by areyoureadytojump on Mar 4, 2019 21:01:41 GMT -5
Still, when I did my own personal chart, I started compiling my year end chart on Thanksgiving.
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Post by Naos on Mar 4, 2019 21:04:52 GMT -5
Big gains this week:
#46 - Take It From Me (+13)
#59 - Con Calma (+33)
#69 - Burn Out (+14)
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Post by jenglisbe on Mar 4, 2019 21:06:23 GMT -5
There is no correlation between "ASIB" and "Ray of Light". LMAO. Firstly, "Ray of Light" was a solo-released studio album and not a movie soundtrack album. Secondly, when Madonna released the album she wasn't 'coming back' from anything. She had a 7 week number-one single on the Hot 100 only 3 years before with her "Bedtime Stories" album and two top tens on the Hot 100 only the year before with the "Evita" OST. "Ray of Light" put Madonna onto a whole new level and was her biggest album since "Like a Prayer" - a 9 year gap. "Frozen" was her biggest worldwide hit since "Vogue" - an 8 year gap. "Ray of Light" brought Madonna onto a whole new level and was not only critically acclaimed, but also commercially successful after years of backlash from the general public. So yes, I feel they're similar even though you do not :) Eh, the point is more than Madonna wasn't exactly lacking for hits between 1990 and 1998. She had plenty of top 10s in the U.S. and Europe in that time. So, while Ray of Light may have been a success for her, it didn't bring her back from a low point. Gaga hasn't really been having hits for a few years now (she hasn't had a top 10 at pop radio since 2013 and the few Hot 100 peaks she has are because of sales boosts due to stans). Even in the lull you mention for Madonna, she was having #1s at pop radio along with strong singles sales. Her hits were also a hit in Europe. |
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Post by jtd Thee Stallion on Mar 4, 2019 21:08:33 GMT -5
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