Taylor Swift – Lover

[justlurkingaround]

I don’t see backlash towards Taylor in this. If anything I see resounding support, with a few dissenters, as will always be the case in anything. I’m sure you can even find some of those dissenters in her assault case, they’re always there.

I agree that the reaction from Demi and Kacey is sad. I’ve unfollowed Kacey on both Instagram and twitter as a result. Put your money where your mouth is, Musgraves, and support women the way you say they should be supported.

[deepston]

Can we just stop to realize that her back catalog is worth $300 million? 

[Jay D83]

OMGZ I like totally can't sell the label to you because you're totally not friends with like Taylor. KThanxBye.

Sorry, BUSINESS doesn't work like that.

[schnetzka]

Jul 1, 2019 6:49:40 GMT -5 justlurkingaround said:

I don’t see backlash towards Taylor in this. If anything I see resounding support, with a few dissenters, as will always be the case in anything. I’m sure you can even find some of those dissenters in her assault case, they’re always there.

I agree that the reaction from Demi and Kacey is sad. I’ve unfollowed Kacey on both Instagram and twitter as a result. Put your money where your mouth is, Musgraves, and support women the way you say they should be supported.

Oh I definitely see the backlash. People are accusing her of lying and playing the victim (again). I'm sure she'll be fine in the end but I wouldn't be surprised if this took a toll on how well Lover will do.

[born]

Jul 1, 2019 6:56:35 GMT -5 Jay D83 said:

OMGZ I like totally can't sell the label to you because you're totally not friends with like Taylor. KThanxBye.

Sorry, BUSINESS doesn't work like that.

It's sad how you wasted your one post per day limit to write this. Look at the big picture people.

[Choco]

And Demi keeps joining the conversation... girl can't help it. Countdown to when she deactivates her social media...

I love her but the fact that she has always disliked Taylor doesn't exactly make me believe her Scooter defenses.

[thewp]

Jul 1, 2019 4:41:31 GMT -5 nickd said:

Jul 1, 2019 4:11:10 GMT -5 Codex said:

But then she would have seen the text when she woke up in London, before the story which would have been posted in the afternoon.

Yeah, maybe she found out a few hours before others, but that's semantics really.

But, she’s trying to use it for public sympathy. And it sounded like she texted him minutes before the Universal deal was public, and he texted her 12? Hours before this news broke. Which she already knew was coming bc he Dad skipped calls so he wouldn’t know what was happening.

[adamalterlago]

The more research I'm doing on this (which is way too much), I angrier I'm getting. Yes, this is the business but maybe it's time for the normal model to change. Taylor signed a contract at 15 (15!!), became wildly successful and made a s**t ton of money for Big Machine. They should do right by her. I can't figure out if they actually offered her masters to her to buy or not. Regardless, it was WRONG to sell to Braun without discussion. Legal, yes but WRONG. How can one not look at that screenshot of Kanye, Braun and Bieber and not understand where she is coming from? I don't actually blame Braun for this, I blame Scott. He is the one who should be getting all the s**t.
I know the industry is full of politics and bulls**t but as an artist myself, I stand completely with Taylor on this. I don't agree with a lot of things she has done in the past (hell, I'm not even a huge fan) but she is an artist and they are taking her history away from her.

[Jay D83]

Jul 1, 2019 7:08:17 GMT -5 born said:

Jul 1, 2019 6:56:35 GMT -5 Jay D83 said:

OMGZ I like totally can't sell the label to you because you're totally not friends with like Taylor. KThanxBye.

Sorry, BUSINESS doesn't work like that.

It's sad how you wasted your one post per day limit to write this. Look at the big picture people.

What bigger picture? At best, she's a passive aggressive individual who loves to twist things (LIE) to gain favor with her fans and the general public when she doesn't get her way.

[adamalterlago]

Jul 1, 2019 7:09:56 GMT -5 Choco said:

And Demi keeps joining the conversation... girl can't help it. Countdown to when she deactivates her social media...

I love her but the fact that she has always disliked Taylor doesn't exactly make me believe her Scooter defenses.

She needs to go away. God, she is so annoying.

[Linnethia Monique]

So y’all are unfollowing people because they liked a post about his acquisition that had ZERO mention of the Taylor masters?! What kind of hive mentality is going on with people these days? Scooter and Scott have had business arrangements throughout the years so him buying Big Machine comes as no surprise to me. Wasn’t that Who Is Fancy guy a joint artist for both Scott and Scooter years back? If we removed Taylor’s masters from this would anybody even care? It would’ve been business as usual.

[born]

Scooter is a bully and we don't just see it from people he goes against, but mainly from his clients. He's been proven to be toxic and manipulative and only actually helps a few of them (the one that actually support him). His impact in the industry is huge and we all know he can lift or destroy a career. I think it's clear that he's a grown ass manchild and absolutely cruel towards Taylor. But so are most men, and most businessmen in particular.

He didn't do anything wrong in this exchange. I mean, of course, that doesn't make him a saint (as he ridiculously celebrated his success on his Instagram story). But he's just another white rich guy who signed a great deal. I can't believe women are labeled money hungry for demanding equality and fair treatment when men get away with s**t like this. But I'm ignoring the point here.

The point is, I agree with everyone saying that Scott is the one to blame. I'm not gonna ramble about all that we've heard today, I think we can all see that he's in the wrong. I'm just gonna laugh at his "Taylor's leaving is the best thing ever! Everything's cool! Big Machine will grow bigger and bigger" comments on that 2018 interview.

I reckon that the industry and the business deals are much more complicated than that but try to tell me there's not a hint of hurt men's feelings in all of this. Class act.

[Fat Ass Kelly Price]

I kind of don’t get the big controversy. I feel for any artist who doesn’t own their masters. I completely sympathize on that front. That sucks for Taylor. But everything else is just her getting out-played in a business setting. It’s a systemic issue regarding how the industry works vs something egregiously unexpected and cruel that happened to her, which is how she tried to frame it. It was also very unnecessary to reference the Kardashian feud. It just makes the whole thing look more like a victim narrative when she has legitimate reasons to feel upset. I think Taylor was intentionally vague in her tumblr post. With more details from Scott’s post, I’m not exactly sure what her beef is. That her masters were sold to someone she doesn’t like. That’s tough, but she was clearly unable to negotiate a decent deal for buying her masters, so she had to know this was a likely conclusion. I think all the third parties chiming in on both sides are a bit ridiculous. I haven’t seen any of them contribute anything of value to this topic.

[Choco]

I'm kinda shocked that no one was willing to join Taylor and offer $300M, as she was reportedly looking for a partner to join her and buy BM as early as late 2018. That label has a few big names, aside from the first 6 Swift albums, so it was probably going to be a great investment (which is ultimately why Scooter paid for it).

[The Brazilian Guy 🇧🇷]

I understand how frustrating this situation is for Taylor, I would be really upset if I was in her position. Looking objectively though, this whole deal makes all the *capitalist* sense in the world. Of course that selling Taylor's masters separately would bring the value of Big Machine down and the company would look far less attractive to buyers. I think the only problem is that, being a longtime business partner, Scott could've handled the issue with Taylor better and avoided at least part of this whole drama.

Having said that... the way both parties try to manipulate the public's emotions by bringing up stuff like the Kim Kardashian exposé or the Manchester bombings, makes it all sound too calculated rather than genuine. I don't like that

 

[👑 Eloquent ™]

I am leaning more and more with Taylor on all this. Taylor has been with Scott professionally since she was 15. It was her talent, her ambition, her words that made Big Machine Records what it is today. She and Scott likely had a very close, trusting relationship working together over the last 15 years, likely as family. I think she trusted this man deeply, so all of this felt extremely personal. The fact that he was going to sell BMR regardless if she re-signed or not, but wouldn't sell her her own masters unless she signed an additional 10-year contract producing an additional 5-6 albums, just shows she was being used as a bargaining chip, which, ok, but it makes him look extremely greedy and lacking of a moral compass. He could have sold her her masters back AND sold the label and still made massive bank, especially if he didn't want to deal with the label anymore anyway. I think Taylor made her distaste for Scooter very obvious to him and he is just playing dumb. Look at the way she declined the two charity events Scooter was managing. Look at her personal relationship (or lack there of) with Scooter's main money machine (Justin Bieber). Look at the way Scooter and Justin taunted her previously during her public trials and then look at the gross way Scooter is taunting her now that she has publicly shown she is disgusted with him owning her masters (posting the "my friend bought Taylor Swift" Instagram story). He is gloating and he knows it. I think it is very obvious what is going on here. Yeah, one could just say "WeLp! ThAt'S bUSiNeSs", but the motivation and intentions underlying this sale is personally for Taylor shitty at best. I feel for her.

[adamalterlago]

Jul 1, 2019 8:13:39 GMT -5 Choco said:

I'm kinda shocked that no one was willing to join Taylor and offer $300M, as she was reportedly looking for a partner to join her and buy BM as early as late 2018. That label has a few big names, aside from the first 6 Swift albums, so it was probably going to be a great investment (which is ultimately why Scooter paid for it).

THIS.

[thewp]

Jul 1, 2019 8:23:34 GMT -5 adamalterlago said:

Jul 1, 2019 8:13:39 GMT -5 Choco said:

I'm kinda shocked that no one was willing to join Taylor and offer $300M, as she was reportedly looking for a partner to join her and buy BM as early as late 2018. That label has a few big names, aside from the first 6 Swift albums, so it was probably going to be a great investment (which is ultimately why Scooter paid for it).

THIS.

People speculated about Universal when she signed. Maybe she thought they would buy them for her. She should’ve bought the whole company and sold off the parts she didn’t want. (I find it hard to believe she couldn’t find someone to go in with her or loan her what she needed?)

[Dammn Baby]

This is a business. Like many (most) artists, she signed a deal at the beginning of her career that gave her the fuzzy end of the lollipop. She explored her options and made the hard choice not to re-sign with BM knowing full well that would leave her masters vulnerable to sale to the highest bidder (and possibly someone she didn't like). Not sure why there is any drama around this - aside from that which she is creating herself - because the only things she's owed are the things that are in her contract. Aside from that, nothing. She's not being treated any better or worse than any other party would be in a legal, contractual negotiation.

[ItGirl]

I feel like there is a narrative that these men are getting a lot of credit for her career. I wont pretend I know anything about her career other than 1989, but I just don't like it at all. #teamTaylor

[SoMuchToSay]

Demi’s statement... like pipe down, this has nothing to do with you. Acting like you’re always going to take up for your “team”? He’s only been your manager since May. A lot of time artists don’t see the real person when it comes to managers, publicists, etc. I bet you if you ask some people who have worked for him in the past they’d tell you a whole different story. Or at least from my experience that’s how it’s gone.

[adamalterlago]

Jul 1, 2019 9:33:04 GMT -5 ItGirl said:

I feel like there is a narrative that these men are getting a lot of credit for her career. I wont pretend I know anything about her career other than 1989, but I just don't like it at all. #teamTaylor

Same. I'm not a Taylor "stan" but as time goes on, I feel bad for the girl. Yes, she's massively successful. Yes, she has made mistakes. But I think she's in a good place right now. It's like people automatically find a way to tarnish her credibility. People forget - even myself - the good that she actually does for charities and important causes. Cut her some slack and give her damn masters back to her. There was a time when she drove me absolutely nuts and I couldn't really stand her but she's older, she's wiser and she's an incredibly smart businesswoman. 

[Choco]

I'm sure Borchetta was instrumental in making her the bonafide brand she's today, but most of the credit should go to the savvy businesswoman hidden inside the pop star.

She's the one that pushed for Speak Now to be entirely self-penned. Result: a hit.

She's the one that pushed for 1989 to be country-free. Result: a hit that took her into global superstardom.

She's the one who pushed for Apple Music to pay artists for streams even when the users are not actually paying (i.e. free trials and the like).

She's co-written all of her hits.

I see no reason to believe she wouldn't have succeeded even without Big Machine but some other label.

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Jun 30, 2019 20:15:27 GMT -5 ampersand said:

Re: Ariana getting involved. Apparently she made a post congratuatling Scooter on her insta story and then deleted it shortly after Taylor made her post, so she seems to be choosing to bow out of the drama.

No backbone.

[AmazDrag]

[nickd]

Jul 1, 2019 5:26:18 GMT -5 justlurkingaround said:

From what I read online, her father was not present at the meeting where the sale was discussed, partly because of an NDA due to which he wouldn’t be able to tell Taylor about the sale.

Scott texted her at 9PM EST, which is 3AM in London where she is rumored to be. It’s a fair assumption that she found out about this with the rest of the world, definitely not days earlier.

Either way, the whole argument that she “walked away” from her masters is not valid. The contract that Scott posted would have trapped her for another decade and it doesn’t even guarantee she’d get her masters back by the end of that decade. Moreover, when at one point over 50% of BMR’s profits were because of her, the very least she should be afforded is the courtesy to know who would end up owning her masters.

And to say that Scooter was in her camp is bullsh*t. His Instagram story is clear evidence of that.

Can you help me understand the legalese behind why the contract doesn't guarantee that she'd get her masters back by the end of the decade?

[Me. I Am l!nk!nfan815...]

Jun 30, 2019 21:41:42 GMT -5 Choco said:

Anyways, kinda shady of Borchetta to bring up Parkland and Manchester, trying to deflect some attention into the fact that Taylor declined to perform there.

I caught that. The level of manipulation. So intentional and had nothing to do with what’s going on now. Pure trash. I believe Taylor on this one.

[nickd]

Jul 1, 2019 7:14:11 GMT -5 Linnethia Monique said:

So y’all are unfollowing people because they liked a post about his acquisition that had ZERO mention of the Taylor masters?! What kind of hive mentality is going on with people these days? Scooter and Scott have had business arrangements throughout the years so him buying Big Machine comes as no surprise to me. Wasn’t that Who Is Fancy guy a joint artist for both Scott and Scooter years back? If we removed Taylor’s masters from this would anybody even care? It would’ve been business as usual.

Not sure what you're talking about. No-one mentioned anything about unfollowing Ariana and Ariana even deleted her comment on Scooter's acquisition of Big Machine.

[kanimal]

Jul 1, 2019 12:29:09 GMT -5 AmazDrag said:

After Taylor's own issues with stalkers, it's horrifying that "fans" would support something that even jokingly involves harassing someone at their home.

[nickd]

Jul 1, 2019 7:12:50 GMT -5 thewp said:

Jul 1, 2019 4:41:31 GMT -5 nickd said:

Yeah, maybe she found out a few hours before others, but that's semantics really.

But, she’s trying to use it for public sympathy. And it sounded like she texted him minutes before the Universal deal was public, and he texted her 12? Hours before this news broke. Which she already knew was coming bc he Dad skipped calls so he wouldn’t know what was happening.

If her point was that she was blindsided by the news by finding out about it the morning it was announced, I'm not sure how knowing about it a few hours earlier really changes anything.

Also she wasn't blindsided by the knowledge that Scott was selling Big Machine, she already knew that as her own post stated. She was blindsided to find out that it was sold to Scooter Braun. And if her father skipped calls because it would involve an NDA that wouldn't allow him to tell her about the details of the deal (like who the buyer was) then how does that should she knew who the buyer was??