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Post by Kris on May 15, 2019 18:49:25 GMT -5
As long as it sounds nothing like anything from Witness I'll be content. If it sounds like any of the TD singles I'll be even better.
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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2019 18:51:10 GMT -5
Releasing anything with the sound of TD would flop in 2019.
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Post by Love Plastic Love on May 15, 2019 18:52:03 GMT -5
Miley's addition to the list of threats seemed weird to me. Like, I actually like her, but she is in a worse place than Katy right now by far considering how Younger Now performed. Unless she is doing a sound much closer to Bangerz and has a big collab coming or something. Summer is always busy, but I don't think Katy is out of the running by any means. I don't really see how Miley and Katy are in any different of a situation. Witness only performed marginally better than Younger Now and Nothing Breaks Like a Heart performed better than 365. I was mostly going off CTTR performing a lot better than Malibu (unless I am forgetting-I thought Malibu missed top 10 on pop and was a blip while CTTR went top 4? and had at least a little staying power), Katy still getting high video views, and album sales, which is admittedly a dead format, but holy JESUS Younger Now flopped hard in that regard even for contemporary times. I did forget about Nothing Breaks like a Heart though and didn't realize that was a hit in the Us. I agree that both can coexist. My point was mainly that I wasn't sure why people were citing Miley as a reason for Katy to be afraid to release a new single lol. Sure there are some artists that you want to avoid (and during the holidays sometimes major artists work with each other's teams for just that reason) but at this point, meh. They aren't going to cancel each other out.
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Post by Choco on May 15, 2019 19:00:26 GMT -5
"Nothing Breaks Like a Heart" is nothing to brag about chartwise in the US (#43 Hot 100, #16 on Pop). If anything I think it proved that Miley's best days on the charts are behind her. It did outperform "365" I guess...
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on May 15, 2019 19:03:55 GMT -5
Releasing anything with the sound of TD would flop in 2019.
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Post by NeRD on May 15, 2019 19:12:34 GMT -5
Releasing anything with the sound of TD would flop in 2019. Yeah...good luck on recreating ET.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on May 15, 2019 19:19:07 GMT -5
she's an icon now, she can do whatever she wants
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2019 20:06:15 GMT -5
Releasing anything with the sound of TD would flop in 2019. That would be amazing! ET is one of my favorite songs ever so of course I'm biased, though. But I am starved for a song with that sound to become big again.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on May 15, 2019 20:40:41 GMT -5
I love Katy, but people gotta realize that shes not an A lister anymore. Dont be setting the expectations too high.Katy just needs a decent pop hit with some longevity. Doesnt need to be #1. Katy Perry is most certainly an A-lister. She may not get the instant Top 10 Pop hit, but she's waaaay bigger of a celebrity than everyone who came after her, including Ariana Grande and the girls beneath her. Wasn't Katy #1 on Forbes last year? Didn't she just win the Met Gala for "best dressed"? Lemme know when Halsey or Selena or Demi or Leona Lewis gets invited to Madonna's Oscar party.
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Post by jodakyellow on May 15, 2019 20:44:03 GMT -5
I love Katy, but people gotta realize that shes not an A lister anymore. Dont be setting the expectations too high.Katy just needs a decent pop hit with some longevity. Doesnt need to be #1. Katy Perry is most certainly an A-lister. She may not get the instant Top 10 Pop hit, but she's waaaay bigger of a celebrity than everyone who came after her, including Ariana Grande and the girls beneath her. Wasn't Katy #1 on Forbes last year? Didn't she just win the Met Gala for "best dressed"? Lemme know when Halsey or Selena or Demi or Leona Lewis gets invited to Madonna's Oscar party. Correct. "A-lister" and "guaranteed #1 hit" are very different and it's silly to conflate them. Like many stars, her fame outsizes her recent chart success. If there were a term equivalent to "A-lister" that meant "artist whose songs become instant hits," then, no, Katy Perry is not a... that.
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Post by wjr15 on May 15, 2019 20:59:38 GMT -5
Katy is still an A-lister whether she gets hits or not. I see A-lister as someone who's name still comes with major recognition and respect. Artists like Madonna, Mariah Carey, Justin Timberlake Britney Spears, and Jay-Z aren't topping the Hot 100 anymore but their names alone make them A-listers. Imo, you would have to drop really hard to lose the A-list title.
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Post by Spidey on May 15, 2019 21:05:28 GMT -5
Always excited for new Katy music! :)
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Post by Joe1240 on May 16, 2019 1:44:03 GMT -5
I love Katy, but people gotta realize that shes not an A lister anymore. Dont be setting the expectations too high.Katy just needs a decent pop hit with some longevity. Doesnt need to be #1. Katy Perry is most certainly an A-lister. She may not get the instant Top 10 Pop hit, but she's waaaay bigger of a celebrity than everyone who came after her, including Ariana Grande and the girls beneath her. Wasn't Katy #1 on Forbes last year? Didn't she just win the Met Gala for "best dressed"? Lemme know when Halsey or Selena or Demi or Leona Lewis gets invited to Madonna's Oscar party. The Forbes list is meaningless. Jennifer Lopez is on there every year without a hit single. That list is all about endorsements who has the most. Now back to the song, If Katyβs new Single is good I could see it doing well.
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Post by Au$tin on May 16, 2019 2:46:37 GMT -5
I feel weird defending leonagwen here, but there is a difference between being an A-list celebrity and being an A-list musician and even being an A-list pop radio darling. Katy most certainly is an A-list celebrity. People from so many demographics know her name and what she is famous for. Now, is she an A-list musician? Debatable. I can see arguments for both sides. I would say yes as she can still sell out stadium concerts, has a strong fan base always checking on her, and millions of people still listening to her music in some capacity. Is she an A-lister on pop radio? No, she isn't, and anyone insisting otherwise is kidding themselves. At this point in her career, her name no longer guarantees radio interest. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. All it means is that her career is pivoting. She's moving into the part of her career where she can release the music she wants and still sell out arenas even if the new music doesn't do well. But it's enough to satisfy her loyal fanbase and that's all that's necessary at this point because while her star fades, her legacy remains intact.
And that's awesome! There's countless musicians with a good rΓ©sumΓ© of hits that lost everything and literally no one cares anymore. All signs point to that not happening to Katy. She's going to gracefully become a legacy act. And it's not surprising as her contemporaries are also having similar paths in their careers right now: Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Lady Gaga, arguably Kesha, and even Taylor Swift is starting to see diminishing returns. But what all these women (including Katy) have in common is their ability to remain big name stars despite their less than stellar chart stats as of recent. And people still care about them to some capacity. I'd argue all of them are A-list celebrities and A-list musicians, but none of them are A-list pop radio artists anymore (outside of Taylor of course, but that may change in a year or two).
No one remains an A-lister on pop radio forever. No one ever has and no one ever will.
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Post by divasummer on May 16, 2019 5:35:52 GMT -5
I don't really see how Miley and Katy are in any different of a situation. Witness only performed marginally better than Younger Now and Nothing Breaks Like a Heart performed better than 365. I was mostly going off CTTR performing a lot better than Malibu (unless I am forgetting-I thought Malibu missed top 10 on pop and was a blip while CTTR went top 4? and had at least a little staying power), Katy still getting high video views, and album sales, which is admittedly a dead format, but holy JESUS Younger Now flopped hard in that regard even for contemporary times. I did forget about Nothing Breaks like a Heart though and didn't realize that was a hit in the Us. I agree that both can coexist. My point was mainly that I wasn't sure why people were citing Miley as a reason for Katy to be afraid to release a new single lol. Sure there are some artists that you want to avoid (and during the holidays sometimes major artists work with each other's teams for just that reason) but at this point, meh. They aren't going to cancel each other out. Did it reach num. 4 on the Hot 100? Your probably correct. It only reached num. 8 for 2 weeks and was in the Top 10 for 6 at Top 40 radio. 14 weeks total in the Top 40. "Malibu" reached num. 16 for 2 weeks and was in the Top 20 for 8 weeks and 13 in the Top 40. I think her last single with Mark Ronson did better though.
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Post by Maximillian on May 16, 2019 6:59:47 GMT -5
Yβall forget the Cyrus family still obviously knows how to snag a #1 π
Iβm the minorityβs who liked a lot of Witness. Yeah the quality dropped but Iβm excited to see whatβs in store for us.
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Post by divasummer on May 16, 2019 9:14:49 GMT -5
I feel weird defending leonagwen here, but there is a difference between being an A-list celebrity and being an A-list musician and even being an A-list pop radio darling. Katy most certainly is an A-list celebrity. People from so many demographics know her name and what she is famous for. Now, is she an A-list musician? Debatable. I can see arguments for both sides. I would say yes as she can still sell out stadium concerts, has a strong fan base always checking on her, and millions of people still listening to her music in some capacity. Is she an A-lister on pop radio? No, she isn't, and anyone insisting otherwise is kidding themselves. At this point in her career, her name no longer guarantees radio interest. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. All it means is that her career is pivoting. She's moving into the part of her career where she can release the music she wants and still sell out arenas even if the new music doesn't do well. But it's enough to satisfy her loyal fanbase and that's all that's necessary at this point because while her star fades, her legacy remains intact. And that's awesome! There's countless musicians with a good rΓ©sumΓ© of hits that lost everything and literally no one cares anymore. All signs point to that not happening to Katy. She's going to gracefully become a legacy act. And it's not surprising as her contemporaries are also having similar paths in their careers right now: Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Lady Gaga, arguably Kesha, and even Taylor Swift is starting to see diminishing returns. But what all these women (including Katy) have in common is their ability to remain big name stars despite their less than stellar chart stats as of recent. And people still care about them to some capacity. I'd argue all of them are A-list celebrities and A-list musicians, but none of them are A-list pop radio artists anymore (outside of Taylor of course, but that may change in a year or two). No one remains an A-lister on pop radio forever. No one ever has and no one ever will. I would think without PoP hits her star will diminish. (I also said that BeyoncΓ© and I was proven wrong) lol She's not very big with the Hot AC and yes she's on Idol but if she doesn't snag a hit soon I think she will be dropped down to B list. Something about her seems to be annoying people or turning radio off. Maybe because I've never been a huge fan but I would think without hits she would fade quickly. She's not the best performer out there and needs hits and production to keep the machine going. This may sound like I'm dissing her but I'm really not trying to. She seems like a nice enough girl I don't wish her harm or flops. lol
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 16, 2019 9:14:53 GMT -5
Iβm excited for new Katy and hope this is the kickoff to a new album this summer. Chained to the Rhythm was mildly disappointing but Witness is the album of Katyβs Iβm most likely to go to and probably will give a listen to soon. I canβt wait!
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Post by Nick P on May 16, 2019 10:22:50 GMT -5
Interested to see how this one turns out. Hopefully itβs better than 365 haha
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 16, 2019 10:33:00 GMT -5
Radio is the least of Katy's worries. If she releases a stellar song, I think she's a big enough name to launch a successful single at Pop/Hot AC (especially a lead single). Her problem is going to be streaming. She's always been a radio/single sales oriented artist, but sales are dead. And she simply doesn't appeal to the streaming demographic, those queen of the Hot 100 days are over. Her best case scenario is a couple of medium sized hits to launch her album/tour IMO.
She just doesn't have what it takes to navigate the changing musical landscape like some of her peers.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 10:38:36 GMT -5
She needs to come out with something hot or it's over for her. I want her to succeed but I have my doubts.
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Post by #LisaRinna on May 16, 2019 11:45:37 GMT -5
Hopefully she comes back with a dark wig. WIG.
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Post by Crimsonio on May 16, 2019 14:11:38 GMT -5
Katy will be fine, her YT streaming has always been her strength and even Bon Appetit is over 500 mil.
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Post by Ling-Ling on May 16, 2019 14:29:01 GMT -5
Radio is the least of Katy's worries. If she releases a stellar song, I think she's a big enough name to launch a successful single at Pop/Hot AC (especially a lead single). Her problem is going to be streaming. She's always been a radio/single sales oriented artist, but sales are dead. And she simply doesn't appeal to the streaming demographic, those queen of the Hot 100 days are over. Her best case scenario is a couple of medium sized hits to launch her album/tour IMO. She just doesn't have what it takes to navigate the changing musical landscape like some of her peers. How? Her Youtube streams were huge, Dark Horse was the first female song to pass 1B, and Roar was close behind. Hot N Cold is the most viewed song from 2008, with nearly 1B views as well, etc. (Iβm pretty sure Prism did well on Spotify too, but I donβt have reciepts) Her Spotify streams from the album tracks on Witness sucked, but she did well on streaming during her peak. And honestly, the streams for CTTR/Feels/SS arenβt that bad on Spotify either. I was strictly referring to music streaming services. The Witness singles performed poorly, CTTR for instance started out strong and then crashed. The others were poor performers. And now that the demographic has moved even further away from her, I can't imagine her performing any better. Whether or not she can maintain interest in her music videos or not remains to be seen. As her star diminishes, are people really going to flock to YouTube to rewatch her videos over and over again? She has an uphill battle IMO.
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Post by wjr15 on May 16, 2019 14:34:44 GMT -5
Some of y'all are so negative on here and act like comebacks don't happen. Let's just be happy that we're getting new Katy music and hope for the best.
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Post by Devil Marlena Nylund on May 16, 2019 14:54:04 GMT -5
I donβt think itβs over for her. I think sheβs fighting an uphill battle but with the right collaborators, she could do it. I think itβs all about mixing with the right people and doing so without coming off too desperate. Con Calma is good for her. I think Feels worked in her favour too. 365, while a song I enjoyed, I donβt think it did a lot for her in rebuilding her brand because it was too familiar. Sheβs already seen as super camp and cheesy, and itβs a quality sheβs not going to lose but I think if she wants to come back, she almost has to take a back seat for a bit and play a more supporting role. In her court now though is pop music is more in than it was when Witness came out.
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Post by COW COW COW COW COW COW COW on May 16, 2019 15:19:50 GMT -5
A comeback for Katy isnβt as easy as some people are making it seem. She is now a middle aged woman competing with 16 year old zygotes like Billie Eilish and the stretched fetal-tissue-over-the-face of Halsey. Perry is now the madame in a brothel of brand new, younger pop tarts. And Iβm sorry, but Perry cannot sing. She was in the right place and the right time during her peak, competing with the likes of Kesha, Britney Spears, and a down on her luck Kelly Clarkson. R.I.P. Katy, time to go to Vegas and mime your hits of yesteryear.
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Post by pcg4 on May 16, 2019 15:45:01 GMT -5
A comeback for Katy isnβt as easy as some people are making it seem. She is now a middle aged woman competing with 16 year old zygotes like Billie Eilish and the stretched fetal-tissue-over-the-face of Halsey. Perry is now the madame in a brothel of brand new, younger pop tarts. And Iβm sorry, but Perry cannot sing. She was in the right place and the right time during her peak, competing with the likes of Kesha, Britney Spears, and a down on her luck Kelly Clarkson. R.I.P. Katy, time to go to Vegas and mime your hits of yesteryear. Imagine wasting like five minutes of your life to come to a thread of an artist you hate to spread hate. Your life must be so sad and boring
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Post by Wave. on May 16, 2019 16:52:24 GMT -5
Moo moo moo moo gtfo. She'll be fine.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 18:31:58 GMT -5
I feel weird defending leonagwen here, but there is a difference between being an A-list celebrity and being an A-list musician and even being an A-list pop radio darling. Katy most certainly is an A-list celebrity. People from so many demographics know her name and what she is famous for. Now, is she an A-list musician? Debatable. I can see arguments for both sides. I would say yes as she can still sell out stadium concerts, has a strong fan base always checking on her, and millions of people still listening to her music in some capacity. Is she an A-lister on pop radio? No, she isn't, and anyone insisting otherwise is kidding themselves. At this point in her career, her name no longer guarantees radio interest. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. All it means is that her career is pivoting. She's moving into the part of her career where she can release the music she wants and still sell out arenas even if the new music doesn't do well. But it's enough to satisfy her loyal fanbase and that's all that's necessary at this point because while her star fades, her legacy remains intact. And that's awesome! There's countless musicians with a good rΓ©sumΓ© of hits that lost everything and literally no one cares anymore. All signs point to that not happening to Katy. She's going to gracefully become a legacy act. And it's not surprising as her contemporaries are also having similar paths in their careers right now: Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Lady Gaga, arguably Kesha, and even Taylor Swift is starting to see diminishing returns. But what all these women (including Katy) have in common is their ability to remain big name stars despite their less than stellar chart stats as of recent. And people still care about them to some capacity. I'd argue all of them are A-list celebrities and A-list musicians, but none of them are A-list pop radio artists anymore (outside of Taylor of course, but that may change in a year or two). No one remains an A-lister on pop radio forever. No one ever has and no one ever will. I would think without PoP hits her star will diminish. (I also said that BeyoncΓ© and I was proven wrong) lol She's not very big with the Hot AC and yes she's on Idol but if she doesn't snag a hit soon I think she will be dropped down to B list. Something about her seems to be annoying people or turning radio off. Maybe because I've never been a huge fan but I would think without hits she would fade quickly. She's not the best performer out there and needs hits and production to keep the machine going. This may sound like I'm dissing her but I'm really not trying to. She seems like a nice enough girl I don't wish her harm or flops. lol So true! To look at some examples in the current Top 50. Ciara and Jennifer Lopez both have Hits that are in the bottom half. If they released these same hits during there prime theyβd be top 10ing.
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