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Post by Eloqueen™ on Jul 21, 2019 16:53:07 GMT -5
It’s not the fact she has fans from her legacy as a crossover R&B act... there are black people that still prefer that type of material from her too. For me personally, it’s the dismissal of anything that doesn’t openly court white people and the implication that those projects are “flops” or “irrelevant” because they are not grabbing pop audiences that I find irritating. This has been the dialog every era from 4 on. She’s made it abundantly clear it’s not about crossover for her anymore. She gets blacker every album but people STILL act like she’s a failure because pop audiences aren’t embracing these projects. Meanwhile she clearly doesn’t care and is selling out stadium tours while getting all kinds of urban spins and cultural relevancy from black audiences. It’s okay to miss the old Beyoncé but to dismiss her output because it no longer centers YOU (not you personally) seems... arrogant I guess? It’s a pet peeve of mine really. Oh no, with this perspective, I get completely what you are saying. I was thinking it was just a genre/material preference. lol Yeah, that is ridiculous. Lemonade was huge and even more so to be what it was, even Beyonce as well. Who the hell is saying her albums aren't successful? Lol Maybe her album with her husband and this debut, but HER solo albums? Nah. They still do great regardless of genre.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 21, 2019 17:21:16 GMT -5
It’s okay to miss the old Beyoncé but to dismiss her output because it no longer centers YOU (not you personally) seems... arrogant I guess? It’s a pet peeve of mine really. Oh no, with this perspective, I get completely what you are saying. I was thinking it was just a genre/material preference. lol Yeah, that is ridiculous. Lemonade was huge and even more so to be what it was, even Beyonce as well. Who the hell is saying her albums aren't successful? Lol Maybe her album with her husband and this debut, but HER solo albums? Nah. They still do great regardless of genre. Yep, and what I was saying is that people who dismiss EVERYTHING IS LOVE and now the opening frame of The Lion King: The Gift are simply not meant to be the audience for them. So many uncultured stans on Twitter dismiss Lemonade even, reasoning it by saying it's only 2X Platinum or had 1 top ten hit for 1 week. She waited 3 years to put the album up on Spotify and Apple Music, do you think she cares? Beyond her solo albums, Beyonce puts so much thought and passion into any project she's involved with (even when she just slaps her name on as a co-writer). That's why the album is full of afro-beats, features artists that never got any Top 40 play before, and highlights several African cultures. She could really easily get anyone to hop on her songs, remember when Adele broke her Grammy in half on stage to give it to Bey for Lemonade? But she doesn't need to play safe or get airplay or pander to soccer moms anymore, leading to this explosive release of artistic creativity and culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 18:18:36 GMT -5
Sounds like a Mariah Carey discussion from 1998.
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Post by deepston on Jul 21, 2019 18:45:48 GMT -5
Wow. Go back to being a popstar sis... Beyonce will never be the white bitch you want her to be so just keep sulking sis. What does the previous comment even have to do with race?
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Post by elementd5 on Jul 21, 2019 19:19:30 GMT -5
Beyonce will never be the white bitch you want her to be so just keep sulking sis. What does the previous comment even have to do with race? Everything. Woooh chile . . .
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 21, 2019 19:44:05 GMT -5
I know Beyoncé has nothing to prove, but I am allowed to say I don't like the direction her career is taking. Beyoncé is a global icon and a superstar and she's so much more than the 4 collaborators she chooses and her husband. Let's put it this way.
I have nothing against her not making music tailor made for radio, Pop music and commercial albums. I applaud her for going to the left, taking risks, speaking her mind and taking her career in the direction she most desires. However, at this point, I also feel like she's putting herself in a box when I know she's capable of so much more. This is my opinion and if you guys misunderstood it then it's not my problem.
I've loved Beyoncé for all of her career and I don't need any of you to tell me which of her songs or albums I like most based on assumptions that are preposterous and arrogant. Speak for yourselves the way I speak for me.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 21, 2019 19:49:55 GMT -5
It’s not the fact she has fans from her legacy as a crossover R&B act... there are black people that still prefer that type of material from her too. For me personally, it’s the dismissal of anything that doesn’t openly court white people and the implication that those projects are “flops” or “irrelevant” because they are not grabbing pop audiences that I find irritating. This has been the dialog every era from 4 on. I was here to defend the entire 4 era with all my heart when most of these girls dismissed it as a flop, let's not get it twisted hunni. I was here to defend her when people dogged Lemonade's numbers even though it was outselling every Pop girl in the business at full ass price. I don't like the joint album with Jay and I'm not fond of this new project... sue me? I don't care, I'm allowed to have my opinion.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 21, 2019 19:54:08 GMT -5
You can appreciate her last two solo albums and not appreciate her last two side projects. They're not mutually exclusive, and not appreciating the side projects doesn't mean you want her to produce "white music." Nothing about her last two solo albums were white. (Well, minus the Dixie Chicks remix of Daddy Lessons, lol.)
That being said, I do like some of the tracks on this project. It's cute. But I really didn't like The Carters and seeing her drag her husband out for the umpteenth time on this project along with other collaborators she works with often just feels tired. There's a few awesome selections for collaborators on this project, and I feel those tracks along with her solo material are the stars because that's where she's not falling into the rut.
BEYONCÉ and Lemonade were intuitive, creative, original, and huge progressive steps in her career. This and The Carters aren't that. There may be a handful of tracks from both that are, but the projects as a whole just fall flat. Now, that's just my opinion. Perhaps others love them and feel she's still pushing boundaries through and through, but I just don't see it. And both opinios are valid. It's not like I'm itching for her to go back to the regressive "Halo" and "Irreplaceable" sounds.
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 21, 2019 20:27:18 GMT -5
Sounds like a Mariah Carey discussion from 1998. BAHHHHH 😂😂😂 it does tho
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Post by kidrockthemic on Jul 21, 2019 20:31:34 GMT -5
I get the sense that Beyoncé cares very little about a lot of industry norms or expectations anymore. She just simply does what she wants to do, how she wants to do it and then disappears for a while. And she leaves us to debate it all lol
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Post by adamalterlago on Jul 21, 2019 20:36:01 GMT -5
You can appreciate her last two solo albums and not appreciate her last two side projects. They're not mutually exclusive, and not appreciating the side projects doesn't mean you want her to produce "white music." Nothing about her last two solo albums were white. (Well, minus the Dixie Chicks remix of Daddy Lessons, lol.) That being said, I do like some of the tracks on this project. It's cute. But I really didn't like The Carters and seeing her drag her husband out for the umpteenth time on this project along with other collaborators she works with often just feels tired. There's a few awesome selections for collaborators on this project, and I feel those tracks along with her solo material are the stars because that's where she's not falling into the rut. BEYONCÉ and Lemonade were intuitive, creative, original, and huge progressive steps in her career. This and The Carters aren't that. There may be a handful of tracks from both that are, but the projects as a whole just fall flat. Now, that's just my opinion. Perhaps others love them and feel she's still pushing boundaries through and through, but I just don't see it. And both opinios are valid. It's not like I'm itching for her to go back to the regressive "Halo" and "Irreplaceable" sounds. I hear you. I am a Beyonce stan and a founding member of the Hive since 98. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. She has been on a pedestal (rightly so) since Self Titled and I want her to continue pushing her artistry. The Carters had its moments - I still listen to Apeshit all the time - and same w Lion King. But i need her to bring some fresh blood in and create a body of work about HER again. I feel like everything she has put out in the last few years have been supplement material for her husband, friends and close associates. The closest we’ve received is Homecoming (which I think will win AOTY Grammys 2020). I would love her to find someone a bit left field or different. Go get Nile Rodgers and produce that funk album!!
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Post by Wavey✨️ on Jul 21, 2019 20:40:19 GMT -5
It's a feat in itself just to be Bey curate an album, regardless the feels.
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Post by tinawina on Jul 21, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -5
It’s not the fact she has fans from her legacy as a crossover R&B act... there are black people that still prefer that type of material from her too. For me personally, it’s the dismissal of anything that doesn’t openly court white people and the implication that those projects are “flops” or “irrelevant” because they are not grabbing pop audiences that I find irritating. This has been the dialog every era from 4 on. I was here to defend the entire 4 era with all my heart when most of these girls dismissed it as a flop, let's not get it twisted hunni. I was here to defend her when people dogged Lemonade's numbers even though it was outselling every Pop girl in the business at full ass price. I don't like the joint album with Jay and I'm not fond of this new project... sue me? I don't care, I'm allowed to have my opinion. LOL I was responding to Ava’s question specifically about why *people who prefer pop Beyoncé* tend to get dragged. I don’t actually care about your opinion (nothing personal) so you can save up your read energy for another time.
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Post by SHOOTER on Jul 22, 2019 2:29:27 GMT -5
Whew chile.
Let’s hope y’all keep this same energy when her next SOLO album drops. :sip2:
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Post by elementd5 on Jul 22, 2019 4:08:09 GMT -5
Everyone is definitely entitled to their opinion on the type of music they enjoy and would prefer artists to produce. However, there’s a fine line between that personal preference, and negatively inferring that Black/Urban music isn’t of value and that artists “should” make music that caters to a more White/Pop/Mainstream audience because the latter perspective is just highly problematic.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 22, 2019 7:47:15 GMT -5
I was here to defend the entire 4 era with all my heart when most of these girls dismissed it as a flop, let's not get it twisted hunni. I was here to defend her when people dogged Lemonade's numbers even though it was outselling every Pop girl in the business at full ass price. I don't like the joint album with Jay and I'm not fond of this new project... sue me? I don't care, I'm allowed to have my opinion. LOL I was responding to Ava’s question specifically about why *people who prefer pop Beyoncé* tend to get dragged. I don’t actually care about your opinion (nothing personal) so you can save up your read energy for another time. I don't really care about what you have to say either tinawina, I was just making my point very clear for everyone. Point blank period.
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 8:54:25 GMT -5
Everyone is definitely entitled to their opinion on the type of music they enjoy and would prefer artists to produce. However, there’s a fine line between that personal preference, and negatively inferring that Black/Urban music isn’t of value and that artists “should” make music that caters to a more White/Pop/Mainstream audience because the latter perspective is just highly problematic. The person you're referring just expressed a personal preference, you're the one claiming this to be a race thing. Not everything is about the damn skin color of someone.
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 9:15:07 GMT -5
But now we want to talk about culture/race: in a recent interview Beyoncé claimed “this soundtrack is a love letter to Africa, and I wanted to make sure we found the best talent from Africa, and not just use some of the sounds and did my interpretation of it" and I'm completely baffled. First of all, Beyoncé is not African, she is born and raised in the United States. The only thing she has in common with African people is the color of her skin, and that's not even entirely true because Africa has hundreds of ethnic groups. A lot of them are not even close to being black. Second, the record does not translate Africa's reality at all. How can she even claim this to be a love letter to Africa? Does she even know the reality of what people go through in this continent? This is a completely westernized record that has no problem in glamorizing African culture. This is not a "love letter to Africa", this is a record catered for the Afro-American population of the US. But then again, how could this be a "love letter to Africa" when the person doing this record is a rich American popstar? Thirdly this album only features west African artists when the Lion King is set on the East side of the continent. The problem is not that it only features parts of Africa that are not from the movie. It's her vision that throwing some west African artists makes this representative of African culture. Africa is a huge diverse continent with hundreds if not thousands of different cultures.
All in all, Beyoncé takes a very monolithic and clueless approach on this record. I love a lot of the songs on the record, but they are not a "love letter to Africa", they are simply made to please the US masses with the backing of an animated movie that "takes place" in East Africa. This is a Beyoncé album with "The Lion King" stamp on it and you know what, that's not the problem here. The problem is what she is claiming this record to be, when in fact, the only thing she did so far was take some shots in beautiful African places for her latest video. In my opinion, she really needed to be careful with how she promoted this record. She wasn't, to me she comes across as an ignorant American. I completely loved Lemonade and I know Beyoncé is an incredible advocate for black people in North America (and she does not need to go back to being a popstar), but she dropped the ball on this one.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2019 9:27:25 GMT -5
But now we want to talk about culture/race: in a recent interview Beyoncé claimed “this soundtrack is a love letter to Africa, and I wanted to make sure we found the best talent from Africa, and not just use some of the sounds and did my interpretation of it" and I'm completely baffled. First of all, Beyoncé is not African, she is born and raised in the United States. The only thing she has in common with African people is the color of her skin, and that's not even entirely true because Africa has hundreds of ethnic groups. A lot of them are not even close to being black. Second, the record does not translate Africa's reality at all. How can she even claim this to be a love letter to Africa? Does she even know the reality of what people go through in this continent? This is a completely westernized record that has no problem in glamorizing African culture. This is not a "love letter to Africa", this is a record catered for the Afro-American population of the US. But then again, how could this be a "love letter to Africa" when the person doing this record is a rich American popstar? Thirdly this album only features west African artists when the Lion King is set on the East side of the continent. The problem is not that it only features parts of Africa that are not from the movie. It's her vision that throwing some west African artists makes this representative of African culture. Africa is a huge diverse continent with hundreds if not thousands of different cultures. All in all, Beyoncé takes a very monolithic and clueless approach on this record. I love a lot of the songs on the record, but they are not a "love letter to Africa", they are simply made to please the US masses with the backing of an animated movie that "takes place" in East Africa. This is a Beyoncé album with "The Lion King" stamp on it and you know what, that's not the problem here. The problem is what she is claiming this record to be, when in fact, the only thing she did so far was take some shots in beautiful African places for her latest video. In my opinion, she really needed to be careful with how she promoted this record. She wasn't, to me she comes across as an ignorant American. I completely loved Lemonade and I know Beyoncé is an incredible advocate for black people in North America (and she does not need to go back to being a popstar), but she dropped the ball on this one. You don't get it and we don't have time to explain why you don't get it.
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Post by Active Aggressive on Jul 22, 2019 9:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 9:30:00 GMT -5
But now we want to talk about culture/race: in a recent interview Beyoncé claimed “this soundtrack is a love letter to Africa, and I wanted to make sure we found the best talent from Africa, and not just use some of the sounds and did my interpretation of it" and I'm completely baffled. First of all, Beyoncé is not African, she is born and raised in the United States. The only thing she has in common with African people is the color of her skin, and that's not even entirely true because Africa has hundreds of ethnic groups. A lot of them are not even close to being black. Second, the record does not translate Africa's reality at all. How can she even claim this to be a love letter to Africa? Does she even know the reality of what people go through in this continent? This is a completely westernized record that has no problem in glamorizing African culture. This is not a "love letter to Africa", this is a record catered for the Afro-American population of the US. But then again, how could this be a "love letter to Africa" when the person doing this record is a rich American popstar? Thirdly this album only features west African artists when the Lion King is set on the East side of the continent. The problem is not that it only features parts of Africa that are not from the movie. It's her vision that throwing some west African artists makes this representative of African culture. Africa is a huge diverse continent with hundreds if not thousands of different cultures. All in all, Beyoncé takes a very monolithic and clueless approach on this record. I love a lot of the songs on the record, but they are not a "love letter to Africa", they are simply made to please the US masses with the backing of an animated movie that "takes place" in East Africa. This is a Beyoncé album with "The Lion King" stamp on it and you know what, that's not the problem here. The problem is what she is claiming this record to be, when in fact, the only thing she did so far was take some shots in beautiful African places for her latest video. In my opinion, she really needed to be careful with how she promoted this record. She wasn't, to me she comes across as an ignorant American. I completely loved Lemonade and I know Beyoncé is an incredible advocate for black people in North America (and she does not need to go back to being a popstar), but she dropped the ball on this one. You don't get it and we don't have time to explain why you don't get it. Sure. I'd love some explanation though. Because my friends from Angola living in Portugal certainly don't get it as well.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2019 9:30:00 GMT -5
...and she shot the video for Spirit in ARIZONA which to my knowledge is not in Africa
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 9:32:42 GMT -5
...and she shot the video for Spirit in ARIZONA which to my knowledge is not in Africa Which certainly does not help her to say this is a "love letter to Africa" but go off. Of course she didn't even care to set foot outside all mighty United States
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 22, 2019 9:35:17 GMT -5
This really isn't the subject at hand for me and I bow out.
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2019 9:52:19 GMT -5
...and she shot the video for Spirit in ARIZONA which to my knowledge is not in Africa Which certainly does not help her to say this is a "love letter to Africa" but go off. Of course she didn't even care to set foot outside all mighty United States Do you see how you already put her in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation with just the music video. You and your “friends” weren’t going to be happy despite what she did.
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 9:57:51 GMT -5
Which certainly does not help her to say this is a "love letter to Africa" but go off. Of course she didn't even care to set foot outside all mighty United States Do you see how you already put her in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation with just the music video. You and your “friends” weren’t going to be happy despite what she did. How? I literally listened to "Spirit" on Spotify over 30 times and that's not counting the times I watched the music video. Do you have any doubt I think Beyoncé is an amazing artist and performer? And I'm still waiting for you to explain me why "I don't get it" because apparently you really know a lot :) And what do you mean by "friends "? lol
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 10:04:32 GMT -5
Do you see how you already put her in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation with just the music video. You and your “friends” weren’t going to be happy despite what she did. Are you implying that deepston cannot have actual African friends because he is white? Apparently white people can't have black friends goes to show how some Americans really don't know how the rest of the world works
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Post by Linnethia Monique on Jul 22, 2019 10:10:08 GMT -5
Do you see how you already put her in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation with just the music video. You and your “friends” weren’t going to be happy despite what she did. Are you implying that deepston cannot have actual African friends because he is white? Nope Are you implying that deepston cannot have actual African friends because he is white? Apparently white people can't have black friends goes to show how some American really don't know how the rest of the world works I spent 7 years in Europe so please pop off about my international experiences.
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Post by deepston on Jul 22, 2019 10:13:28 GMT -5
Apparently white people can't have black friends goes to show how some American really don't know how the rest of the world works I spent 7 years in Europe so please pop off about my international experiences. Then what were you implying then? I'm genuinely curious... (also you're literally dodging 99% of the things I asked you but okay, you never answered anything interesting anyway)
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Jul 22, 2019 10:14:03 GMT -5
...and she shot the video for Spirit in ARIZONA which to my knowledge is not in Africa Which certainly does not help her to say this is a "love letter to Africa" but go off. Of course she didn't even care to set foot outside all mighty United States You want to shit on black Americans but still want to ape AAVE. OK.
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