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Post by nickd on Jun 11, 2019 11:43:42 GMT -5
Rihanna is probably like #1. Drake isn't even going to be top 10 and he has songwriting credits on all his songs including songs as a featuring artist, and has more hits. Rihanna has virtually no writing credits on her first few albums which includes her biggest album (GGGB) and even as recently as Unapologetic she had no credits on the 2 biggest singles.
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 11, 2019 11:52:43 GMT -5
Can't wait for Max Martin. When he is published, can whoever replies NOT include the whole damn chart again when quoting? Go into the quote in the Preview and delete the copy of the chart. Or go to the BBCcode and remove the code for the images.
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Post by οΌ³ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½ο½π€ο½ο½ on Jun 11, 2019 11:56:02 GMT -5
Can't wait for Max Martin. When he is published, can whoever replies NOT include the whole damn chart again when quoting? Go into the quote in the Preview and delete the copy of the chart. Or go to the BBCcode and remove the code for the images. I agree!
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 12:03:38 GMT -5
Rihanna is probably like #1. Rihanna doesn't write her songs and she only has co-writing credits on a few of them. She'll be really low on the list.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 12:05:42 GMT -5
Rihanna is probably like #1. Drake isn't even going to be top 10 and he has songwriting credits on all his songs including songs as a featuring artist, and has more hits. Rihanna has virtually no writing credits on her first few albums which includes her biggest album (GGGB) and even as recently as Unapologetic she had no credits on the 2 biggest singles. Plus Drake has writing credits on a few songs he wrote for other artists early this decade. Rihanna just started having co-writing credits being added to her songs in her last two albums. I'm really interested in seeing a complete list. I'm sure there are many names that we'd be surprised by.
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Post by nickd on Jun 12, 2019 4:35:44 GMT -5
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Post by garrettlen on Jun 12, 2019 8:14:21 GMT -5
It will be challenging to do Lennon and McCartney's Beatle songs this way. Because even though they agreed early on in their friendship/partnership to credit each song they wrote to both of them, this was not always really the case. They actually wrote a lot of their songs, especially in the later years apart from each other, and when they met in the studio to record them they often "polished" each others songs up lyrically or musically by adding a note or a lyric here or there.
But they credited almost everything they put out during this period to both of them. John Lennon, right before his death, actually went through a whole slew of Beatles songs with an interviewer and tried to peg who wrote each one once and for all. He did a pretty good job too. Unfortunately, he didn't get to all of them and his premature death prevented him from ever finishing.
Paul McCartney has had less to say about who actually wrote what during the Beatles but he has commented at times on some of the songs that he says he exclusively wrote for the group, like "Yesterday" which he says John had no hand in writing. The problem is that in discussing who wrote what, sometimes he has contradicted what John Lennon had said earlier.
We may never truly know who exactly wrote what between Lennon and McCartney during the Beatles.
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Post by shayonce on Jun 12, 2019 8:17:22 GMT -5
that's pretty much same for modern songs.
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 12, 2019 9:03:03 GMT -5
Carole King - it took a while to track down all her songs, but this is going off the list of songs she wrote from her own website and checking which of those charted so hopefully this should be a complete list. Points: 31308 paulhaney rockgolf Wow! That's pretty thorough!
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 12, 2019 9:04:57 GMT -5
We may never truly know who exactly wrote what between Lennon and McCartney during the Beatles. A good rule of thumb with these two is the singer wrote the song. But since they're always listed 50/50, it doesn't matter.
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Post by paulhaney on Jun 12, 2019 9:34:49 GMT -5
I would assume that songs written under assumed names will count. For instance, Prince has some of those (such as "Manic Monday" and "Sugar Walls"). Also, "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" was credited to Ann Orson and Carte Blanche (actually Elton John and Bernie Taupin). Then there was Don Robey (aka Deadric Malone) who was credited with writing several of Bobby Bland's hits under both names, depending on the song.
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Post by BlueSwan on Jun 12, 2019 23:54:57 GMT -5
Babyface and his co writers and Diane Warren were huge in the 90's. I ran the numbers on Babyface and I think I'm going to hold back on posting them because it'll take out all the fun of posting the other songwriters totals. He makes everyone else's stats seem underwhelming by comparison. Interesting. I would expect Max Martin to be above him (and everyone else), but I guess the fact that Max Martin usually shares writing credit with half a billion other writers is gonna hurt him big time on a list like this.
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Post by nickd on Jun 13, 2019 1:30:08 GMT -5
garrettlen: I would just use whoever is officially credited as the songwriters, so both Lennon and McCartney for those Beatles songs. As Shayonce said, that's an issue with modern songs too, ultimately we don't really know if the songwriting credits are more symbolic or if the artist actually pulled their weight. paulhaney: Yeah, I'd count any songs under assumed names that I'm aware of. The Wikipedia articles for some of those songs don't even list the pseudonyms, only the real names.
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Post by nickd on Jun 13, 2019 3:02:00 GMT -5
Bonnie McKee, a key co-writer for Katy Perry. Points: 5618
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Post by nickd on Jun 13, 2019 21:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by nickd on Jun 13, 2019 22:53:01 GMT -5
Savan Kotecha - he co-wrote a ton of Ariana Grande's songs plus a few smash hits for other artists. Points: 16967 Songs in bold are still charting as of the December 14, 2019 chart.
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Post by nickd on Jun 15, 2019 2:04:50 GMT -5
Karl Johan Schuster aka Shellback, former member of metal band Blinded Colony and one of Max Martin's most successful proteges. Points: 27522 songs in bold are still charting
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 15, 2019 7:36:28 GMT -5
This is quickly becoming my favourite thread. At some point I suppose youβll have to do Bob Dylan
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Post by nickd on Jun 15, 2019 22:17:53 GMT -5
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 15, 2019 22:24:56 GMT -5
I'd be curious to see Chantal Kreviazuk's total. It wouldn't be as high as anyone else menitoned here I'm sure but she was involved in quite a few random hits over the years.
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Post by nickd on Jun 15, 2019 22:57:55 GMT -5
I'd be curious to see Chantal Kreviazuk's total. It wouldn't be as high as anyone else menitoned here I'm sure but she was involved in quite a few random hits over the years. I mostly just know her from her work on Under My Skin, but looks like none of the songs she worked on for that album charted on the Hot 100 and she only has 4 songs that did. So it only took a couple minutes to calculate her total... Chantal Kreviazuk Points: 955
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Post by paulhaney on Jun 16, 2019 7:31:58 GMT -5
FWIW, at Record Research, we did our own Top 100 songwriters ranking from 1955-2016 (including Bubbling Under hits), based on our point system (giving full credit for each song, not percentages):
1. Paul McCartney 2. John Lennon 3. Brian Holland 4. Eddie Holland 5. Lamont Dozier 6. Max Martin 7. Dwayne Carter (Lil Wayne) 8. Burt Bacharach 9. Hal David 10. Kenny Gamble 11. Carole King 12. Smokey Robinson 13. Lukasz Gottwald (Dr. Luke) 14. Gerry Goffin 15. Aubrey Graham (Drake) 16. Pharrell Williams 17. Leon Huff 18. Curtis Mayfield 19. Barry Mann 20. Jimmy Jam Harris 21. Terry Lewis 22. Babyface 23. Jeff Barry 24. James Brown 25. Diane Warren 26. Kanye West 27. Cynthia Weil 28. Norman Whitfield 29. Shawn Carter (Jay-Z) 30. R. Kelly 31. Jerry Leiber 32. Mike Stoller 33. Jermaine Dupri 34. Prince 35. Timothy Mosley (Timbaland) 36. Stevie Wonder 37. Marshall Mathers (Eminem) 38. Barry Gibb 39. Taylor Swift 40. Mikkel Eriksen 41. Tor Erik Hermansen 42. Beyonce 43. Bob Crewe 44. Onika Maraj (Nicki Minaj) 45. Mick Jagger 46. Keith Richards 47. Elton John 48. William Roberts (Rick Ross) 49. Howard Greenfield 50. Kal Mann 51. Robin Gibb 52. Savan Kotecha 53. Mutt Lange 54. Justin Bieber 55. Fats Domino 56. Bob Dylan 57. Berry Gordy 58. Mariah Carey 59. Clifford Harris (T.I.) 60. Bernie Taupin 61. Chad Hugo 62. Neil Diamond 63. Chris Brown 64. Paul Anka 65. Justin Timberlake 66. Mort Shuman 67. Neil Sedaka 68. Doc Pomus 69. Steve Cropper 70. Brian Wilson 71. Maurice Gibb 72. Noah Shebib 73. Henry Walter (Cirkut) 74. Benjamin Levin (Benny Blanco) 75. Ellie Greenwich 76. Barrett Strong 77. Phil Spector 78. Valerie Simpson 79. Nick Ashford 80. Madonna 81. Christopher Bridges (Ludacris) 82. Ryan Tedder 83. Van McCoy 84. Sam Cooke 85. Scott Storch 86. Thom Bell 87. Usher Raymond 88. Faheem Najm (T-Pain) 89. Carl Sigman 90. Dennis Lambert 91. Michael Jackson 92. Ronald Isley 93. Nayvadius Wilburn (Future) 94. Calvin Broadus (Snoop Dogg) 95. William Stevenson 96. Paul Simon 97. Will Adams (will.i.am) 98. Khaled Khaled (DJ Khaled) 99. Lionel Richie 100. Terius Nash (The-Dream)
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Post by nickd on Jun 16, 2019 10:59:47 GMT -5
FWIW, at Record Research, we did our own Top 100 songwriters ranking from 1955-2016 (including Bubbling Under hits), based on our point system (giving full credit for each song, not percentages): Are your numbers based entirely on chart position or consumption also? And is the weighting different dependent on year of release? I'm not sure what Billboard did, maybe they didn't weight all recent songs lower, only the big hits (and then weighted small recent hits higher), but the contemporary artists are lower than you'd expect on their Hot 100 All Time charts. Anyways, the splitting of points among songwriters is definitely going to hurt some of the contemporary songwriters since so many songs have 5-10 songwriters compared to 1-3 for most older hits.
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Post by paulhaney on Jun 17, 2019 12:17:39 GMT -5
I don't recall the exact formula we used, but IIRC, it was based on number of hits and chart performance. Keep in mind too, that it only went thru 2016, so some of the more recent songwriters would've moved up since.
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Post by nickd on Jun 23, 2019 17:12:41 GMT -5
I don't recall the exact formula we used, but IIRC, it was based on number of hits and chart performance. Keep in mind too, that it only went thru 2016, so some of the more recent songwriters would've moved up since. Just did Lil Wayne after seeing him at #7 on your list since that was higher than I expected.
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Post by noober on Jun 23, 2019 22:11:53 GMT -5
Eminem please
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Post by nickd on Jun 26, 2019 1:38:52 GMT -5
Marshall Mathers (Eminem) Points: 14309
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 26, 2019 7:47:40 GMT -5
Shady needs to co-wrote more songs that begin "Lo..." because those are far and away his biggest.
Requests: - Jim Steinman - Burt Bacharach - Lamont Dozier
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Post by paulhaney on Jun 26, 2019 9:24:01 GMT -5
Shady needs to co-wrote more songs that begin "Lo..." because those are far and away his biggest. Requests: - Jim Steinman - Burt Bacharach - Lamont Dozier I wouldn't think that Steinman's point total would be very high. A few really big hits, but not a lot of hits overall.
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