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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 20:22:45 GMT -5
• Black Eyed Peas spend their 10th of 12 consecutive weeks at the top, or 10th of 26* consecutive weeks if we include “I Gotta Feeling”, with which they replaced themselves. |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 10, 2019 20:27:29 GMT -5
Old Town Road is falling a bit notably on Apple Music, no?
4 (-2) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix]
102 (-19) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road
1117 (-159) Lil Nas X, Billy Ray Cyrus & Diplo - Old Town Road (Diplo Remix)
Perhaps the notable streaming decreases will finally start this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 1:03:22 GMT -5
Let’s face it, financially speaking, the music industry is a dying market. I GUARANTEE that we’re only going to get one or two more albums from Rihanna in the 2020’s, and that applies to Beyoncé and the likes. They’re moving on, as sad as it is to say. Rihanna and Beyonce are two of the top-tier artists who would not have to worry about whether their music makes them enough money. Rihanna is going to leave music bc she's no longer as passionate about it, not because she's struggling to make money with it. Y'all really just argued for a full page over whether artists are paid enough because of Rihanna and Beyonce? Really? Those are the last two people who should have been used as an example, on either side. A better example of the industry 'dying' and/or artists not making enough money from the music alone is the proliferation of ticket and merch bundles. That is obviously happening as a direct response to some segment of the industry no longer making the money it was used to making. But which segment? tbh the growth in streaming confuses me because almost everyone swears they're making less and they all pull out their own numbers/statistics/graphs to make their point. The indie artists say they are only getting fractions on a penny, the major label artists are apparently all signed to shitty deals that will rob them blind for 7-8 albums, songwriters had to go to Washington to lobby for new royalty laws because the current ones are outdated and don't include them in the streaming pie, the labels themselves are still trying to cling on to physical and downloads for dear life...if the industry is so financially healthy then where the fuck is all this money going??? |
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Post by wjr15 on Jun 11, 2019 1:46:57 GMT -5
if the industry is so financially healthy then where the f**k is all this money going??? ^Probably the pockets of label CEOs and high-powered executives. I notice that most of the big name artists who say they are making less because of streaming are the artists who were at their peak during the digital and/or physical sales eras. I wonder if they signed something in their contracts about streaming revenue where they make a smaller percentage (not anticipating the fact that streaming would become the main consumption source of music). I'm guessing label executives anticipated it since they basically control the industry. I'm curious to know what more recent breakthrough artists (Post Malone, Dua Lipa, Cardi B) think of streaming royalties vs sales royalties. The same goes for artists who have signed new contracts recently (ex: Taylor). I'm sure she's making a higher percentage on streaming royalties than most of her contemporaries. In the end, I believe indie artists and artists without any hits and/or large fanbases are the ones getting mostly screwed by streaming. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 11, 2019 2:36:36 GMT -5
You all forget that most musicians are musicians because they want to be musicians. Money is just extra, good to make some coins for living.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 2:53:34 GMT -5
iHype. any idea how No Guidance is doing on radio?
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Post by Naos on Jun 11, 2019 3:07:34 GMT -5
You all forget that most musicians are musicians because they want to be musicians. Money is just extra, good to make some coins for living. I don't think they forget that. But in the album sales era, it was easier to make a living without being a huge artist. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 3:26:36 GMT -5
You all forget that most musicians are musicians because they want to be musicians. Money is just extra, good to make some coins for living. I don't think they forget that. But in the album sales era, it was easier to make a living without being a huge artist. Every artist, whether they say it or not, wants to be able to make a living off their art/doing what they love. A lot of artists are okay just being able to do basic things with income from their music: buy a house, a car, clothes, travel, etc. Still, I think a smart artist would try their best to establish themselves as a legit touring act first and foremost. You'll notice that most legacy acts who can't score hits or move a lot of album units anymore still make a lot of money touring (where the REAL money is anyways). Every artist won't be a megastar and that's just the truth. Every artist won't score hits or sell a lot of albums and no artist should feel they need to do any of that to be ''successful.'' Doesn't mean every artist can be financially stable doing what they love. There are tons of artists who don't sell a lot of albums/singles who make a decent living touring. Bands like London Grammar and The xx come to mind. Bands who don't score massive hits or sell a ton of albums, but can sell out 5-10k capacity venues around the world multiple times over and are very comfortable financially. |
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 11, 2019 4:26:10 GMT -5
I saw Suede in concert last Friday. Their latest album bombed on charts and have sold perhaps 50k copies WW with only one song with over 1M streams on Spotify but still they performed in front of 10,000 people.
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 4:40:16 GMT -5
I saw Suede in concert last Friday. Their latest album bombed on charts and have sold perhaps 50k copies WW with only one song with over 1M streams on Spotify but still they performed in front of 10,000 people. Another example: Russ. Doesn't score big radio hits, doesn't put up massive streaming numbers or move tons of album units, but he sells out arenas across the globe. Artists just have to figure out what works for them and what they really want out of their careers. After that, it's taking right, smart and calculated steps to get there. |
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Post by imbondz on Jun 11, 2019 4:44:59 GMT -5
Revenue in the industry has experienced year over year growth since 2015. That would not suggest to me the industry is not dying. I’d love to see an article about that. Hard to believe. |
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Post by Gary on Jun 11, 2019 7:56:22 GMT -5
Try google - lots of stuff out there
Not sure why it is hard to believe
Need to look beyond:
Sales are dying
No one pays for music anymore
so where does the money come from?
Believe it or not, streaming generates revenue
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2019 8:27:54 GMT -5
The discussion has moved from the industry being a growing industry again (which I’m sure is true although an article of support would be helpful to back it up) to where all the money is going.
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Post by Gary on Jun 11, 2019 8:52:48 GMT -5
The discussion has moved from the industry being a growing industry again (which I’m sure is true although an article of support would be helpful to back it up) to where all the money is going.
Right and the post I was responding to was about the growth which in itself was in direct response yesterday to a statement that the industry was dying
The industry has been growing for a couple years now, surprised this is news.
www.forbes.com/sites/billrosenblatt/2019/03/02/the-warning-signs-among-the-music-industrys-revenue-growth/#528a39dc7de3www.riaa.com/riaa-releases-2018-year-end-music-industry-revenue-report/Basically the industry is not dying, it is changing and in fact growing --- for now. It is growing in relation to 2005-2015, although it is still quite below where it was in the 1990s
It is changing from direct-sales based revenue to streaming based revenue
One thing I found on reading up on this that was interesting was the Vinyl revenue is expected to exceed CD revenue in the near future |
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Post by iHype. on Jun 11, 2019 11:13:24 GMT -5
iHype. any idea how No Guidance is doing on radio? #40 at Rhythmic w/ 3.837m audience. Just below top 50 at Urban, prob around 1.5m~ audience. |
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Post by Crimsonio on Jun 11, 2019 11:25:00 GMT -5
Old Town Road is falling a bit notably on Apple Music, no? 4 (-2) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 102 (-19) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road 1117 (-159) Lil Nas X, Billy Ray Cyrus & Diplo - Old Town Road (Diplo Remix) Perhaps the notable streaming decreases will finally start this week. Hmm this is interesting, hopefully it decreases even more so Billie can snatch her #1! |
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 11, 2019 11:30:41 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/06/11
1(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 144.61(+1.71)
2(=) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 133.95(+0.89)
3(=) Khalid - Talk 130.24(+1.99)
4(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 125.67(-1.40)
5(=) Post Malone - Wow. 109.08(+0.41)
6(+1) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 105.23(+1.83)
7(-1) Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho 102.92(-2.19)
8(=) Taylor Swift - ME! (feat. Brendon Urie of Panic! At The Disco) 98.59(-0.24)
9(=) Halsey - Without Me 79.70(-0.07)
10(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 75.36(+0.75)
13(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 66.59 +1.20 15(+1) Billie Eilish - bad guy 59.27(+1.49) 41(+3) Katy Perry - Never Really Over 39.31(+1.94)
45(+1) Ed Sheeran - Cross Me (feat. Chance the Rapper & PnB Rock) 37.86(+1.05) 47(+3) DaBaby - Suge 36.98(+0.99)
57(+2) Dj Khaled - Just Us f/SZA 32.72(+1.04)
70(+4) Luke Bryan - Knockin' Boots 26.01(+1.00)
95(+2) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 20.63(+1.09)
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jun 11, 2019 11:33:11 GMT -5
Old Town Road is falling a bit notably on Apple Music, no? 4 (-2) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 102 (-19) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road 1117 (-159) Lil Nas X, Billy Ray Cyrus & Diplo - Old Town Road (Diplo Remix) Perhaps the notable streaming decreases will finally start this week. Hmm this is interesting, hopefully it decreases even more so Billie can snatch her #1! Yeah. It would need to start falling in more places for there to be a chance for that to happen and Bad Guy needs to hold off any challenges until then. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
iHype. any idea how No Guidance is doing on radio? #40 at Rhythmic w/ 3.837m audience. Just below top 50 at Urban, prob around 1.5m~ audience. Thanks for the update. I peeped that it was the most added song on Rhythmic and Urban radio this week, but I couldn't get a clear audience number. |
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Post by rockgolf on Jun 11, 2019 11:58:01 GMT -5
Another example: Russ. Doesn't score big radio hits, doesn't put up massive streaming numbers or move tons of album units, but he sells out arenas across the globe. Artists just have to figure out what works for them and what they really want out of their careers. After that, it's taking right, smart and calculated steps to get there. Russ? Did you mean "Rush"? |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 12:00:43 GMT -5
Another example: Russ. Doesn't score big radio hits, doesn't put up massive streaming numbers or move tons of album units, but he sells out arenas across the globe. Artists just have to figure out what works for them and what they really want out of their careers. After that, it's taking right, smart and calculated steps to get there. Russ? Did you mean "Rush"? No. I mean Russ. Caucasian rapper. Just Google his name. |
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Post by thegreatdivine on Jun 11, 2019 12:02:23 GMT -5
Hmm this is interesting, hopefully it decreases even more so Billie can snatch her #1! Yeah. It would need to start falling in more places for there to be a chance for that to happen and Bad Guy needs to hold off any challenges until then. I figure it'll take Old Town Road at least another 5 weeks to fall low enough to be overtaken by bad guy and even then, bad guy would have to hold steady long enough for that to happen. Only other way Old Town Road gets replaced is if someone big enough drops a song that can put up the numbers needed. |
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jun 11, 2019 14:47:08 GMT -5
Yeah. It would need to start falling in more places for there to be a chance for that to happen and Bad Guy needs to hold off any challenges until then. I figure it'll take Old Town Road at least another 5 weeks to fall low enough to be overtaken by bad guy and even then, bad guy would have to hold steady long enough for that to happen. Only other way Old Town Road gets replaced is if someone big enough drops a song that can put up the numbers needed. Talk could overtake Bad Guy until a new hits will come |
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Post by kingvavis on Jun 11, 2019 14:54:14 GMT -5
Another way Old Town Road can be over taken is by another unknown artist releases a song that builds up swell to become a number one hit.
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Post by Gary on Jun 11, 2019 15:00:56 GMT -5
Which is how Uptown Funk fell a few years back
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Post by narp on Jun 11, 2019 15:04:47 GMT -5
We need to get Trampoline in a popular RDR2 video.
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jun 11, 2019 15:31:14 GMT -5
Which is how Uptown Funk fell a few years back You mean to "see you again"? |
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Post by king_billboard_100 on Jun 11, 2019 15:33:48 GMT -5
So maybe a song from a soundtrack like "The Lion King" or the "Fast & Furious Hobbs & Shaw" could steal the top 😂?
Maybe "Frozen 2" will have a good songs but it still too far.
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Post by Enigma. on Jun 11, 2019 15:58:38 GMT -5
Russ? Did you mean "Rush"? No. I mean Russ. Caucasian rapper. Just Google his name.  Both fit in though |
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Post by Rose "Payola" Nylund on Jun 11, 2019 16:20:44 GMT -5
The discussion has moved from the industry being a growing industry again (which I’m sure is true although an article of support would be helpful to back it up) to where all the money is going.
Right and the post I was responding to was about the growth which in itself was in direct response yesterday to a statement that the industry was dying
The industry has been growing for a couple years now, surprised this is news.
www.forbes.com/sites/billrosenblatt/2019/03/02/the-warning-signs-among-the-music-industrys-revenue-growth/#528a39dc7de3www.riaa.com/riaa-releases-2018-year-end-music-industry-revenue-report/Basically the industry is not dying, it is changing and in fact growing --- for now. It is growing in relation to 2005-2015, although it is still quite below where it was in the 1990s
It is changing from direct-sales based revenue to streaming based revenue
One thing I found on reading up on this that was interesting was the Vinyl revenue is expected to exceed CD revenue in the near future Oh right. I missed bondz reply. I wonder if there are articles that breakdown where the money goes within the industry. |
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