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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 30, 2019 6:18:25 GMT -5
POP: 9 9 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 10873 10866 7 42.608
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HOT AC: 7 6 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 4525 4159 366 23.405
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Post by Az Paynter on Aug 31, 2019 6:01:43 GMT -5
POP: 9 9 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 10783 10871 -88 42.116
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HOT AC: 7 7 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 4569 4210 359 23.609
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Post by Az Paynter on Sept 1, 2019 6:41:02 GMT -5
Since this appears properly over now, updates end here. They need to make up their minds to go all in on 'Lover' or push something else - just get a third single out pronto.
POP: 9 9 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 10623 10862 -239 40.897
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HOT AC: 6 6 TAYLOR SWIFT You Need To Calm Down 4616 4275 341 23.860
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Post by Choco on Sept 1, 2019 9:09:59 GMT -5
Good run! Wish it peaked a little higher but otherwise I have no complains.
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Post by David on Sept 1, 2019 9:21:51 GMT -5
Still love this song after all this time - hopefully Pop radio will eat up the next single... whatever it is, LOL.
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Post by deepston on Sept 3, 2019 10:50:19 GMT -5
Back to the top 5 at #4 in the Billboard Hot 100.
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Post by theflying on Sept 3, 2019 12:11:43 GMT -5
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What a good run! Hopefully it gets one more week in the top 20.
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Post by neverduplicated on Sept 3, 2019 13:31:04 GMT -5
2-13-13-16-15-15-16-18-14-4 What a good run! Hopefully it gets one more week in the top 20. I would be shocked if it fell out of the top 20 next week. On Spotify it's been #10, 15, 20, and 19 this week. It's also stayed in the AM top 20 all week so far. Still #5 on iTunes. Radio is decreasing but not so fast it will disappear altogether.
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Post by deepston on Sept 3, 2019 13:53:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't have expected this to be her most successful single in years
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 14:04:22 GMT -5
I wouldn't have expected this to be her most successful single in years it isn't more successful than Delicate
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 3, 2019 14:10:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't have expected this to be her most successful single in years it isn't more successful than Delicate Not on pop radio, but every other metric.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 14:12:20 GMT -5
it isn't more successful than Delicate Not on pop radio, but every other metric. Delicate was like her sixth biggest radio hit of all time and her ninth longest running song, highly doubt this will reach Delicate 24th spot on the year end chart or be half as remembered
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 3, 2019 14:17:03 GMT -5
Not on pop radio, but every other metric. Delicate was like her sixth biggest radio hit of all time and her ninth longest running song, highly doubt this will reach Delicate 24th spot on the year end chart or be half as remembered Did I not say outside of radio? It has been streamed more than "Delicate" for sure, been much more steady in digital sales, and I'd bet its Hot 100 chart run is slightly more impressive as well ("Delicate" peaked at what, 12 for a single week). The one singular complement that made "Delicate" a success was radio and radio alone. It never did big streaming or sales numbers. I realize it was a fourth single, still, we are comparing. If not for radio latching onto the songas strongly as it did its run would not have been anywhere near impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2019 14:23:52 GMT -5
Delicate was like her sixth biggest radio hit of all time and her ninth longest running song, highly doubt this will reach Delicate 24th spot on the year end chart or be half as remembered Did I not say outside of radio? It has been streamed more than "Delicate" for sure, been much more steady in digital sales, and I'd bet its Hot 100 chart run is slightly more impressive as well ("Delicate" peaked at what, 12 for a single week). The one singular complement that made "Delicate" a success was radio and radio alone. It never did big streaming or sales numbers. I realize it was a fourth single, still, we are comparing. If not for radio latching onto the songas strongly as it did its run would not have been anywhere near impressive. you said Pop radio when it was massive on AC and Hot AC, and it peaked at 12 for 2 weeks but thats me being nitpicky, I trend to find longveity more impressive than peak and at the very least I expect Delicate to spend 10 more weeks charting than YNTCD and both spent an equal amount of time in the 11-20 range. Also Delicate radio highs where higher than YNTCD streaming and sales high
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Post by Eloqueen™ on Sept 3, 2019 14:31:03 GMT -5
Did I not say outside of radio? It has been streamed more than "Delicate" for sure, been much more steady in digital sales, and I'd bet its Hot 100 chart run is slightly more impressive as well ("Delicate" peaked at what, 12 for a single week). The one singular complement that made "Delicate" a success was radio and radio alone. It never did big streaming or sales numbers. I realize it was a fourth single, still, we are comparing. If not for radio latching onto the songas strongly as it did its run would not have been anywhere near impressive. you said Pop radio when it was massive on AC and Hot AC, and it peaked at 12 for 2 weeks but thats me being nitpicky, I trend to find longveity more impressive than peak and at the very least I expect Delicate to spend 10 more weeks charting than YNTCD and both spent an equal amount of time in the 11-20 range. Also Delicate radio highs where higher than YNTCD streaming and sales high I tend to look to public consumption to lean more into when it comes to determining the size of a hit. Radio is a programmer's game and "Delicate" had huge radio numbers, but didn't really have the sales or streams to amywhere near justify those figures, whereas "You Need To Calm Down" has seemingly better consumption performance with a third of the radio figures. Guess it all is what your preference is on how you view it. Both are hits IMO and both have their strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by theflying on Sept 3, 2019 16:18:51 GMT -5
(While knowing obviously this is just a semantics battle and not really a big deal...)
It’s pretty hard to say You Need To Calm Down is a bigger hit than Delicate. Delicate connected, had fantastic call out scores, insane longevity, and is a pretty clearly “remembered” TS classic at this point by the general public. I wager that a lot of the Hot 100 weakness in Delicate’s run is just more due to Reputation’s clunky streaming rollout.
That said, let’s properly celebrate YNTCD by comparing its run to Ready For It. I didn’t realize RFI’s run was so subpar.
Frankly, this is one of the few songs that seems to have connected better with the GP than fans online. It did too well for too long for it to not have had a good reception even if Swifties weren’t crazy about it and gay fans who aren’t Swifties predictably rolled their eyes. I think it’s a bop and am happy it did so well.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 3, 2019 17:33:15 GMT -5
This may have outpeaked Delicate on sales and streaming, but has by no means matched Delicate's totals yet, and I doubt it ever will.
Plus it's a shoddy comparison anyway. Delicate was a fourth single released well after the album. This was a brand new track before an album. Statistically, those tracks are bound to perform better on consumption components just due to the nature of how we consume music. Delicate was also not available on streaming when the album released, hindering its streaming. This was.
I just don't buy into the narrative at all that this is "bigger" than Delicate or that it will be remembered better than it. "...Ready for It?"? Maybe. "End Game"? Sure. "Delicate"? No.
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Post by Grün on Sept 3, 2019 23:00:25 GMT -5
I hate when people say things will be remembered or my friends all love/loved it etc. That is subjective and irrelevant.
There is a reason that those assessments above aren't metrics on Billboard; you can't quantify them.
Plain and simple, You Need To Calm Down was bigger than Delicate. When people look back in ten years, they will only look at the chart position anyway. No one cares outside music boards.
Longevity is important, but so is consistency. Delicate couldn't even hit the top ten. You Need to Calm Down has hovered in the top twenty since it was released. Both are hits, but Calm was bigger.
Plus, if we want to get into pop culture. This song is Taylor's first notable political single. The devil herself (Kellyanne) sang this song on Fox News. I think it will be "remembered" for that, or that it sparked a petition with half a million signatures.
People need to stop ranking songs higher because they like them more or they resonate more.
Long story short, is Delicate a better song, yes. Is it bigger, no.
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Post by Au$tin on Sept 3, 2019 23:31:22 GMT -5
Yeah, hard disagree with all of that. The GP doesn't care about the charts at all. No normal person is going to even know this peaked higher than Delicate. Besides, the charts only tell us what happens on a week-by-week basis. A peak is nothing but that. This song managed to be the second most popular song over an arbitrary seven day period. That doesn't mean it will be remembered more than the other 98 songs below it. That's not what the charts showcase at all.
At the end of the day, charts and stats mean virtually nothing when it comes to a song's actual impact. Yes, that's a thing that's difficult to measure, and yes, one person's anecdotes don't dictate everyone else's experience. But you'd have to be a dolt to think a chart peak dictates these things as well.
Let's list examples of this.
-Oops...I Did It Again! versus Hold It Against Me Guess which one was the #1 hit? Not the bigger and more impactful song.
-Leavin' versus I Kissed a Girl Guess which one went #1 on pop? Not the one that launched an artist's massive career.
-Crack a Bottle versus Till I Collapse Guess which one of these Eminem songs was a #1 hit? Guess which one wasn't even a single? Guess which one is one of this iconic artist's most well known songs?
Hell, here's a Taylor example! -...Ready for It? versus Teardrops on My Guitar Guess which one is a top 5 hit? Not the one that inspired muliple girls to get wavy hair and wear sundresses. Not the one that launched her pop career. Not the one with higher recurrent airplay.
There's just too many factors to consider when we discuss these things. It's just not a simple "well it peaked higher" or "well it lasted longer." There's just too many variables that come into play with how the charts play out. The charts are a big, massive picture. But it's not the big picture that determines a song's impact. It's the small details a chart can't immediately tell you.
And, no, before we jump to this stupid argument, me liking Delicate more than this doesn't at all play into my opinion here. I'm not stupid enough to let personal opinion cloud my judgement and it's absurd to claim that's the only possible way I could come to these conclusions just because our conclusions aren't the same.
Also, let's be completely honest with ourselves. No matter if this or Delicate is the biggee hit or will be better remembered through time, neither of them are even remotely close to her biggest or most well known songs anyway, so why does it matter? When the discussion of Taylor comes up, you can bet your ass at least 10-15 other tracks will come up before these two tracks we're arbitrarily comparing. (Unless the discussion is about quality or fan favorites between her own fans. Swifities love Delicate.)
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Post by Choco on Sept 3, 2019 23:56:16 GMT -5
I don't know... this has the political and LGBTQ angles that will keep it in the conversation for a long time.
Delicate is my second favorite TS song but it never really created much conversation outside of it being a return to form chartwise.
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Post by theflying on Sept 4, 2019 7:07:25 GMT -5
This is the *dumbest* argument.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:14:06 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but.... y’all need to.........
..........calm down....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 7:36:22 GMT -5
In the end, this song will be largely forgotten outside the fanbase and maybe chart watchers from today. It excelled for a good minute based on her name. Now it will tumble the charts and never be heard on radio again. At least Delicate, some of her 1989 singles, and some of her country songs such as Mine, Mean, etc still receive recurrent airplay as a compensation.
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Post by SPRΞΞ on Sept 4, 2019 8:06:25 GMT -5
Delicate is way bigger than this song. What nonsense.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 4, 2019 8:08:39 GMT -5
I don't know... this has the political and LGBTQ angles that will keep it in the conversation for a long time. Delicate is my second favorite TS song but it never really created much conversation outside of it being a return to form chartwise. I guess the question is which radio markets suppressed this? I mean, if this song is so significant in capturing and promoting these cultural and societal issues in a positive way by a major artists, why did this not hit #1, much less the Top 5? I’m not being snarky, but shouldn’t this be getting max spins in at least 20 of Top 25 markets?
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Post by YourFaveIsAFlop on Sept 4, 2019 8:25:13 GMT -5
It’s pretty hard to say You Need To Calm Down is a bigger hit than Delicate. Delicate connected, had fantastic call out scores, insane longevity, and is a pretty clearly “remembered” TS classic at this point by the general public. Of course it's "remembered", it was only released a year and a half ago...
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Post by divasummer on Sept 4, 2019 8:43:49 GMT -5
I liked "Delicate" but so many hear thinks it's the cats meow in Taylors catalog. If it didn't stream or sell well it sounds like it's more of a "Pulse/stan" thing. Yes it got a lot of radio play because it was very inoffensive and Taylor still had her hooks in radio. They were craving to play her. I'm not saying it wasn't a hit but I don't think it was as big as some here are making it out to be.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 8:53:34 GMT -5
You guys would be surprised on how fast people can forget things.
Anyway Delicate is her best performing song from both her last eras in the long run and that's probably why it still gets so much focus. But overall I agree that's not even close to being as big as many of her old hits.
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Post by KeepDeanWeird on Sept 4, 2019 11:18:15 GMT -5
YNTCD v Delicate. Isn’t that like comparing the 30th most popular with the 31st? Neither song is going to be at the top of mind for GP when it comes to Taylor. They’ll be both end up as ‘deep tracks’ or ‘further listening’ on streaming playlists. That’s the challenge with an artist like Taylor who has had major success across 3 major formats.
I like both songs, but 10 years from now when I want to listen to Taylor, I doubt they’d be in my Top 10 or 20 picks.
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Post by nick64 on Sept 4, 2019 13:27:06 GMT -5
Longevity is important, but so is consistency. Delicate couldn't even hit the top ten. You Need to Calm Down has hovered in the top twenty since it was released. Both are hits, but Calm was bigger. If we wanna go there, “Delicate” made it to #12 naturally. “You Need to Calm Down” has not achieved that. It had a week in the Top 10 when it debuted and a week in the Top 10 when the album released. Point is, peaks are stupid, as is this argument, and both have had Top 20 consistency.
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