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Post by fhas on Jul 19, 2019 17:38:34 GMT -5
They're having issues tracking the remixes for Old Town Road and bad guy on YouTube Charts.
Yesterday, OTR was at 30.07M for the last seven days and #1 on the daily chart (Kworb) with 2M+ with another version in the top 10.
Today, the BRC version is #2, Young Thug/Mason Ramsey isn't even top 20 and they're listing SpongeBob/Unknown Artist LMAO.
For bad guy, I think they're not adding JB's remix to the original version. There is no way that song is only at 8-9M streams for the last seven days.
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 19, 2019 18:05:32 GMT -5
People like to dismiss songs that are #1 because they are lopsided in one metric. Dismiss it all you want, it's still #1. Side eye to all those that hate Girls Like You for remaining at #1 thanks to airplay. People are actively choosing to stream OTR and make content with it whereas GLY simply got put on heavy rotation by like a handful of people in the country that choose what gets played because of how generic it is lol but go off I loathe this counterargument so damn much. Radio doesn't just play whatever willy nilly. They need an audience otherwise they can't exist. Their playlists are meticulously crafted using research from a multitude of sources. It may not be directly chosen by the listeners, but it is indirectly. Radio played Girls Like You so much for so long because they knew that's what their listeners wanted. We, the few dozen of Pulse, are not the only people in the world nor are we the target audience of a radio station. Besides, it's not like streaming and sales are 100% consumer driven either. How many people just put a playlist on and let it play? Is that not the exact same thing as radio? And sales are absolutely driven by what people hear or are hyped for. If they never hear it or hear about it, how are they going to purchase it? Who is going to tell them something exists? These two components may be a bit more direct than radio airplay, but to dismiss radio entirely is based off of ludicrous bias towards how y'all consume music. Go venture the world a bit and get out of your circles, radio is still massive. Besides, you managed to completely sidestep my point. There are people dismissing OTR being #1 solely from YouTube or because it has remixes. In this very thread! My point was people dismiss #1s if they're only there because of one stronger component. (And, I mean, you just confirmed my point by feeling to need to defend dismissing GLY's last weeks at #1.) A #1 is a #1 is a #1. but go off |
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Post by 𝓲𝓽'𝓼.𝓰𝓿 on Jul 19, 2019 20:48:57 GMT -5
"Spongebob sings 'Old Town Road' by Lil Nas X" by Unknown Artist is #2 on US Youtube. Interesting. SpongeDubs!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 21:46:04 GMT -5
"Spongebob sings 'Old Town Road' by Lil Nas X" by Unknown Artist is #2 on US Youtube. Interesting. SpongeDubs!!! Yesss. Spongebob has some serious pipes. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 20, 2019 7:18:54 GMT -5
So, Bieber is not credited in the UK and Australia. I hope he will not be in the US either.
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Post by Gary on Jul 20, 2019 8:40:32 GMT -5
If the mix is the primary point getter it will
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Post by Baby Yoda Hot100Fan on Jul 20, 2019 9:58:24 GMT -5
kworb's Billboard Radio Songs Estimates 2019/07/20
1(=) Khalid - Talk 175.26(-0.77)
2(=) Ed Sheeran & Justin Bieber - I Don't Care 153.19(+1.41)
3(=) Jonas Brothers - Sucker 143.59(-0.47)
4(=) Shawn Mendes - If I Can't Have You 114.75(+0.93)
5(=) Billie Eilish - bad guy 113.91(+1.20)
6(=) Panic! At the Disco - Hey Look Ma, I Made It 109.07(+0.92)
7(=) Sam Smith & Normani - Dancing with a Stranger 97.04(+0.15)
8(+1) Lizzo - Truth Hurts 79.77(+2.53)
9(-1) Lil Nas X - Old Town Road (feat. Billy Ray Cyrus) [Remix] 76.78(-2.21)
10(=) Post Malone - Wow. 73.94(-0.92)
11(+2) Shawn Mendes & Camila Cabello - Señorita 65.60(+2.25) 23(=) Chris Brown - No Guidance (feat. Drake) 52.60(+1.44) 27(+1) Jason Aldean - Rearview Town 47.79(+1.06)
36(+1) Lewis Capaldi - Someone You Loved 43.12(+1.30)
38(+2) Post Malone - Goodbyes (feat. Young Thug) 39.88(+1.91) 88(+6) Saweetie - My Type 21.61(+1.15) 94(+8) Ed Sheeran - Beautiful People (feat. Khalid) 20.02(+1.00)
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 20, 2019 9:59:03 GMT -5
Airplay according to kworb (fourth day of tracking week): "bad guy" - 112.71M (+0.84) "Old Town Road" - 78.99M (-1.25) Gap: 33.72M (+2.09) Airplay according to kworb (fifth day of tracking week): "bad guy" - 113.91M (+1.20) "Old Town Road" - 76.78M (-2.21) Gap: 37.13M (+3.41) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 10:01:28 GMT -5
I know they credited Katy on a song despite not having enough points so I hope they dont do the same this time
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Post by TakeMe on Jul 20, 2019 10:06:19 GMT -5
I know they credited Katy on a song despite not having enough points so I hope they dont do the same this time Con Calma? |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 20, 2019 14:54:01 GMT -5
People are actively choosing to stream OTR and make content with it whereas GLY simply got put on heavy rotation by like a handful of people in the country that choose what gets played because of how generic it is lol but go off I loathe this counterargument so damn much. Radio doesn't just play whatever willy nilly. They need an audience otherwise they can't exist. Their playlists are meticulously crafted using research from a multitude of sources. Besides, it's not like streaming and sales are 100% consumer driven either. Besides, you managed to completely sidestep my point. There are people dismissing OTR being #1 solely from YouTube or because it has remixes. In this very thread! My point was people dismiss #1s if they're only there because of one stronger component. (And, I mean, you just confirmed my point by feeling to need to defend dismissing GLY's last weeks at #1.) A #1 is a #1 is a #1. but go off I would still argue that radio is not consumer-driven enough to dictate charts the way it does. No matter how much research they do, it is an extension of the gatekeeper concept that is overwhelmingly present in the industry. Even though it is getting better, airplay still impacts certain genres, artists, identities disproportionately, and favors some immensely, with Maroon 5, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith being some of the front runners.
Streaming is definitely more consumer-driven, but you are right about playlists. I'm not a Hot 100 expert but I think On-Demand streams are weighted more in calculating the points, though. (Someone confirm this?) Spotify/AM curate playlists more carefully and welcome more diversity in comparison to many radio stations, but I understand the concern where the people working for those streaming giants can make or break a hit. Recently "On A Roll" was one of the winners in this game of playlist placement.
I don't think having a #1 with uneven components is necessarily a bad thing. If Adele dropped a single and held it from streaming services and didn't send it to radio, and she got to #1 purely off of iTunes sales, it would feel just. If Drake dropped something only on Apple Music and that got to #1, again, it would feel fine. But if a song got to #1 only with airplay and no other component, that would feel weird, a little Big Brother-y if you ask me. Not to say that GLY only had airplay, because it did good in other metrics as well, but this is me explaining why airplay-heavy hits feel less deserving of their chart placement in my opinion. Then again, airplay occasionally does help traditional pop survive on the charts (see: Sweet but Psycho) at times of pop drought, and GLY was an example of that in some ways.
Again, these are my thoughts, and GLY was a 7-week #1 regardless. A #1 is indeed a #1.
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Post by fhas on Jul 20, 2019 15:09:13 GMT -5
kimberly they have three tiers of streaming: paid, free and programmed. 1 paid stream = 1.5 free streams = 2 programmed streams On-demand streaming is 80-90% paid streams, so it has more impact on the charts than YouTube (100% free).
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Post by ddlz on Jul 20, 2019 15:11:06 GMT -5
Billboard charts are NOT accurate representation of music consumption! Even the UK charts have more credibility nowadays. Very sad!
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Post by Naos on Jul 20, 2019 15:18:08 GMT -5
So, Bieber is not credited in the UK and Australia. I hope he will not be in the US either. In the UK, they only credit the original version if I remember correctly. "Despacito" did not credit Bieber. |
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Post by tanooki on Jul 20, 2019 15:21:58 GMT -5
Billboard charts are NOT accurate representation of music consumption! Even the UK charts have more credibility nowadays. Very sad! you sure about that? Artists can only chart 3 songs at any time.... |
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Post by Gary on Jul 20, 2019 15:24:28 GMT -5
Billboard charts are NOT accurate representation of music consumption! Even the UK charts have more credibility nowadays. Very sad! Why? |
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Post by kimberly on Jul 20, 2019 15:28:57 GMT -5
Billboard charts are NOT accurate representation of music consumption! Even the UK charts have more credibility nowadays. Very sad! you sure about that? Artists can only chart 3 songs at any time.... Yep.. and they have the weird streaming rule where the component weights less after 10 weeks, which ended the #1 run of One Kiss for example when it should have stayed there. Charts in general are arbitrarily decided, but I personally like Billboard over Rolling Stone or OCC in UK. |
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Post by narp on Jul 20, 2019 15:28:58 GMT -5
They’re accurate of music consumption in the United States, like the Official Charts charts are accurate of music consumption in the United Kingdom. I don’t see why they wouldn’t be accurate.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 20, 2019 15:30:12 GMT -5
kimberly they have three tiers of streaming: paid, free and programmed. 1 paid stream = 1.5 free streams = 2 programmed streams On-demand streaming is 80-90% paid streams, so it has more impact on the charts than YouTube (100% free). Knew you'd be the one to respond! Thank you, master |
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Post by Naos on Jul 20, 2019 15:37:55 GMT -5
Billboard charts are NOT accurate representation of music consumption! Even the UK charts have more credibility nowadays. Very sad! Believing this means one also must believe they've NEVER been accurate, because they're imperfect by nature and formulas are subjective. Agreed. Formulas can change the very next week and yield very different results. It's all subjective, and charts like Billboard, Rolling Stone, Official Charts Company, and Oricon all have different rules. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 20, 2019 18:14:08 GMT -5
So, Bieber is not credited in the UK and Australia. I hope he will not be in the US either. In the UK, they only credit the original version if I remember correctly. "Despacito" did not credit Bieber. Unfortunately, he was credited. |
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Post by Ｓｏｕｎｄｃｌ🕤ｃｋ on Jul 20, 2019 19:30:23 GMT -5
YouTube music chart: USA (12-18 July)
#1[<>] Old Town Road 28,2 mil (+8.20%)
#2[+1] Señorita 11,4 mil (+4.03%)
#3[+2] Sunflower 8,78 mil (+6.02%)
#4[+3] bad guy 8,63 mil (+6.14%)
#5[-1] Shotta Flow 8,47 mil (-18,9%)
Big gains:
#45[+37] Under The Sun 3,01 mil (+58.5%)
#16[+05] Cash s**t 5,41 mil (+23.09%)
#06[+03] No Guidance 7,21 mil (+15.8%)
#84[+12] Someone You Loved 1,94 mil (+15.04%)
Big losses:
#17[-15] Goodbyes 4,95 mil (-58.2%)
#57[-44] Out The Mud 2,54 mil (-53.9%)
#50[-28] Rodeo 2,88 mil (-33.9%)
#83[-34] Sanguine Paradise 1,94 mil (-32.5%)
#26[-11] Pure Water 3,73 mil (-29.3%)
#13[-07] Money In The Grave 5,60 mil (-26%)
Notable new entries:
#21 Antisocial (Ed Ft Travis) 4,51 mil
#31 Time (NF) 3,61 mil
#53 Candy (MGK Ft Trippie) 2,81 mil
#55 La Cancion (J Balvin Ft Bad Bunny) 2,59 mil
#56 Remember The Name (Ed x Eminem x 50) 2,56 mil
#65 South Of The Border (Ed x Camila x Cardi) 2,35 mil
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 1:17:02 GMT -5
Let's break that record OTR! Lil Nas X is  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 1:38:03 GMT -5
I'm so hAppy thAt Whitney record is safe
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Post by leonagwen on Jul 21, 2019 9:51:21 GMT -5
I still say that One Sweet Day being at #1 for 16 weeks is more impressive than Despacito or Old Town Road. One Sweet Day didnt need a remix or YouTube streams.
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 21, 2019 9:51:29 GMT -5
Airplay according to kworb (fifth day of tracking week): "bad guy" - 113.91M (+1.20) "Old Town Road" - 76.78M (-2.21) Gap: 37.13M (+3.41) Airplay according to kworb (sixth day of tracking week): "bad guy" - 114.95M (+1.05) "Old Town Road" - 74.56M (-2.22) Gap: 40.40M (+3.27) |
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Post by fhas on Jul 21, 2019 10:03:55 GMT -5
YouTube music chart: USA (12-18 July)#1[<>] Old Town Road 28,2 mil (+8.20%)#2[+1] Señorita 11,4 mil (+4.03%)#3[+2] Sunflower 8,78 mil (+6.02%) #4[+3] bad guy 8,63 mil (+6.14%)
#5[-1] Shotta Flow 8,47 mil (-18,9%)
According to this week's top 100, OTR gained 4.9M and BG gained 1.1M. Hum... that's not accurate. JB's remix got 6-8M U.S. views and OTR's new version did 8.5M from the "Animoji" video and 3.3M from the Area 51 video. |
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Post by #LisaRinna on Jul 21, 2019 10:05:53 GMT -5
8.5M from the Animoji version? That's entirely too much.
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Post by fhas on Jul 21, 2019 10:09:48 GMT -5
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Post by kacpi on Jul 21, 2019 10:10:15 GMT -5
Well... I think 70 points is enough to say that we won't have a new #1 this week.
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