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Post by 85la on Jul 15, 2023 13:23:04 GMT -5
She could release the music video around August 24th to celebrate the 4 year anniversary of Lover or something of that nature. Where she could release the music video and some vault tracks call it Lover Extended Version that Friday.
I could totally see her doing this! We won't be getting a "Taylor's Version" of Lover obviously, so this would be the closest thing to that and a way for her to capitalize on this moment. If not, I'm thinking the week to push this for #1 on the Hot 100 should be done as soon as possible honestly, possibly as soon as next Friday, the 21st, with it just about peaking in streaming now, and possible stiffer competition down the line with Travis and Drake or Olivia possibly returning to #1, etc. Not sure if they could have vinyl or physical singles ready to ship that week (that would obviously already have to have been planned out weeks before), but they could have some type of special digital copies, or easily have a concert video cobbled together by then. And I agree that she will pull out all the stops to make an actual video happen somehow, even if we won't get it till late August or September.
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Post by suburbandreams on Jul 15, 2023 16:48:24 GMT -5
She filmed that video on the one week she didn't have shows during the American leg. There's a reason why she didn't try to film during a week she had shows. Also she only flies out after the shows are over. She isn't crazy enough to fly in and out every day for a tour. I think you might be wrong on that. When I met her in Loft 89 she already was flying in and out after every show to whatever house was closest. She told us it was too much of a security risk to be at hotels anymore. So I think it’s entirely possible/probable she’s flying in and out before every show, even when they’re back to backs. People are tracking her planes . She is staying at hotels when she is playing back to backs. Back in 1989, she had substainally less back to back performances compared to the eras tour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2023 16:49:11 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed before and it's like beating a dead horse, but as a casual TS fan, how did they not release this as a single?
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Post by imbuemyblue on Jul 15, 2023 17:01:13 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed before and it's like beating a dead horse, but as a casual TS fan, how did they not release this as a single? There are some loose theories, but they probably wanted a hard pivot from 'Rep' era in terms of brightness of image and sound. Releasing a song with the word 'Cruel' in the title for the first single may have been confusing in the time leading up to release (stupid, but true). Then, the way the singles after fell into place makes a sort of inevitable sense. YNTCD because pride was coming up, Lover is the title track and a change in sound/tempo plus makes for an easy Shawn Mendes tack on, then by the fourth single things are already winding down and it makes sense to put out a song with a message that is close to Taylor's heart like 'The Man'. It makes senes on paper, but then you hear the actual song and it makes.... no sense. lol
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Post by ampersand on Jul 15, 2023 19:01:11 GMT -5
I think there was some speculation during the era that the singles were chosen to drive a certain narrative/image: "ME!" to signal the end to the rep era, "YNTCD" to push the Political Taylor angle, "Lover" to emphasize her skills as a songwriter, and "The Man" works as a response to the masters controversy. I had seen this point made a few times in the various single and album threads. I think 👑 Eloquent ™ made a post at the time, and I largely agree. "Cruel Summer," while better than any of those songs, doesn't really tell us anything new about Taylor as a person or artist, and in hindsight it seems obvious the Lover era was all about course-corrections, perhaps even to a fault. I'm glad the song is finally getting its moment.
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Post by Choco on Jul 15, 2023 22:17:19 GMT -5
I know this has been discussed before and it's like beating a dead horse, but as a casual TS fan, how did they not release this as a single? There are some loose theories, but they probably wanted a hard pivot from 'Rep' era in terms of brightness of image and sound. Releasing a song with the word 'Cruel' in the title for the first single may have been confusing in the time leading up to release (stupid, but true). Then, the way the singles after fell into place makes a sort of inevitable sense. YNTCD because pride was coming up, Lover is the title track and a change in sound/tempo plus makes for an easy Shawn Mendes tack on, then by the fourth single things are already winding down and it makes sense to put out a song with a message that is close to Taylor's heart like 'The Man'. It makes senes on paper, but then you hear the actual song and it makes.... no sense. lol ME! In particular was an overcorrection after the lukewarm response to "dark" Taylor. The mistake there is that the song bordered on Kids Bop material.
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 15, 2023 22:20:56 GMT -5
There are some loose theories, but they probably wanted a hard pivot from 'Rep' era in terms of brightness of image and sound. Releasing a song with the word 'Cruel' in the title for the first single may have been confusing in the time leading up to release (stupid, but true). Then, the way the singles after fell into place makes a sort of inevitable sense. YNTCD because pride was coming up, Lover is the title track and a change in sound/tempo plus makes for an easy Shawn Mendes tack on, then by the fourth single things are already winding down and it makes sense to put out a song with a message that is close to Taylor's heart like 'The Man'. It makes senes on paper, but then you hear the actual song and it makes.... no sense. lol ME! In particular was an overcorrection after the lukewarm response to "dark" Taylor. The mistake there is that the song bordered on Kids Bop material. I think they were leaning HEAVILY on the “Pharrell - Happy” and “Justin Timberlake - Can’t Stop the Feeling” vibes with ME! It was very juvenile and easy to sing along to, but it wasn’t attached to a kids movie so it made it cringey than the aforementioned.
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Post by kimberly on Jul 15, 2023 22:38:14 GMT -5
ME! In particular was an overcorrection after the lukewarm response to "dark" Taylor. The mistake there is that the song bordered on Kids Bop material. I think they were leaning HEAVILY on the “Pharrell - Happy” and “Justin Timberlake - Can’t Stop the Feeling” vibes with ME! It was very juvenile and easy to sing along to, but it wasn’t attached to a kids movie so it made it cringey than the aforementioned. it's not only the lack of a movie. the song was still so much more juvenile than the generic "easy pop" vibes of the other two. "Hey kids, spelling is fun!" and "you can't spell awesome without ME!" make for what is very likely her worst bridge of all time. while I do "get" their perspective for why they went with that as the lead, even something as simple as scrapping "ME!" entirely and waiting one more month to launch with "You Need To Calm Down" would have accomplished what they had in mind much, much better. or I could even see "Lover" working as the lead in April, followed by "YNTCD" later. cutting "ME!", "London Boy," and "I Forgot You Existed" would have elevated the album so much. (I also HATE "Paper Rings" but people seem to enjoy that one more?) the album works so much better with 14-15 tracks instead of 18. I'm here for the Lover revival though. "Death by a Thousand Cuts" deserves its moment too, can that go viral next? please?
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Post by kmbgs on Jul 16, 2023 0:22:50 GMT -5
Lover as an era was an abomination, we can say it. They botched literally every single thing about it.
Like people have said I’m glad this song is getting heard finally.
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Post by ¤ Matthea ¤ on Jul 16, 2023 4:07:32 GMT -5
"ME!" was the best of the 4 originally released singles from "Lover". Yeah, a bit juvenile in places, but it's not like every song has to be super serious. "Cruel Summer" should have been the second single. I never liked YNTCD and they released "Lover" a little too early.
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Post by fearlessarrow on Jul 16, 2023 4:48:12 GMT -5
POP: 11 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 10562 7891 2671 35.206
+488 Spins +211 Bullet +1.573 Audience
HOT AC: 21 16 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 2159 1468 691 9.031
+114 Spins +31 Bullet +0.546 Audience
AC: 126 41 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 13 2 11 0.069
+5 Spins +7 Bullet +0.030 Audience
Spins Watch: 266 spins from #6, "Creepin'" (+660) 1812 spins from #5, "Last Night" (+491) 2214 spins from #4, "Flowers" (+670)
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Post by theflying on Jul 16, 2023 6:12:53 GMT -5
Monster
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Post by musiclife on Jul 16, 2023 6:15:43 GMT -5
This is unreal. Omg
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Post by bluepoet on Jul 16, 2023 6:21:55 GMT -5
Tay Slay Update
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Post by Dylan :) on Jul 16, 2023 6:29:57 GMT -5
#5 (=) on US Spotify
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jul 16, 2023 6:53:39 GMT -5
I’d like this to get to #1 by the end of July or sooner. And to remain there all of August. It’s so rewarding watching this explode!
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Post by Choco on Jul 16, 2023 13:51:44 GMT -5
"ME!" was the best of the 4 originally released singles from "Lover". Oh wow
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Post by eyeofthestorm on Jul 16, 2023 14:23:05 GMT -5
Such a massive update. Good to see AC getting on board.
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Post by kcdawg13 on Jul 16, 2023 17:16:47 GMT -5
POP:11 7 TAYLOR SWIFT Cruel Summer 10562 7891 2671 35.206 +488 Spins +211 Bullet +1.573 Audience Spins Watch:266 spins from #6, "Creepin'" (+660) 1812 spins from #5, "Last Night" (+491) 2214 spins from #4, "Flowers" (+670) The craziest part about this update is finding out that Creepin' is still somehow #6
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Post by Au$tin on Jul 16, 2023 18:19:16 GMT -5
"ME!" was the best of the 4 originally released singles from "Lover". Oh wow For real. Like, I know 3 of the 4 singles were very juvenile and below the bar, and I could totally see ME! being someone's favorite of those 3, but Lover was the other single, so...
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Post by avamaxstan on Jul 16, 2023 18:56:51 GMT -5
"ME!" was the best of the 4 originally released singles from "Lover". Yeah, a bit juvenile in places, but it's not like every song has to be super serious. "Cruel Summer" should have been the second single. I never liked YNTCD and they released "Lover" a little too early. How can that be when ME!th is the worst thing that exists in Taylor’s entire catalogue? A perfect era would’ve been: 1. Lover 2. Cruel Summer 3. I Think He Knows 4. YNTCD
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Post by Marooned@Midnight on Jul 16, 2023 19:21:21 GMT -5
I think there was no good first single for Lover. This wasn’t the swift change in direction they wanted to communicate. Nothing else stacks up as a potential lead.
My best shot:
1. I Forgot That You Existed (lyrical references to reputation, moving on, fun upbeat track, not as objectively bad as me) 2. Cruel Summer 3. Lover 4. You Need to Calm Down 5. The Man (because she loves it, but Paper Rings or Death By A Thousand Cuts>>>>)
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Post by imbuemyblue on Jul 16, 2023 20:00:34 GMT -5
Would love for this to match or surpass IKYWT as her longest running pop #1. Would be amazing so deep into her career.
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Post by Fears in the Fire on Jul 16, 2023 21:34:25 GMT -5
Lover is maybe my favorite Taylor album but the only single worthy songs are Cruel Summer and YNTCD, imo. Some other stuff could’ve done alright but not great, maybe Death by a Thousand Cuts.
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Post by musiclife on Jul 16, 2023 21:49:20 GMT -5
I have always said these should have been the singles.
1. Cruel Summer 2. Death By A Thousand Cuts 3. Paper Rings 4. I Think He Knows 5. You Need To Calm Down
I'll never change my mind.
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Post by rnb on Jul 16, 2023 21:53:49 GMT -5
Lover is maybe my favorite Taylor album but the only single worthy songs are Cruel Summer and YNTCD, imo. Some other stuff could’ve done alright but not great, maybe Death by a Thousand Cuts. no I think he knows?
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Post by ificanthaveyou on Jul 16, 2023 22:13:09 GMT -5
Singles should have went:
1) YNTCD 2) Cruel Summer 3) Lover 4) Death By A Thousand Cuts
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Post by kamala 2024 truther on Jul 16, 2023 22:22:52 GMT -5
I think "Cruel Summer" being the lead and "ME!" (as much as I personally love the song) not even existing would've lead to an era that came close to 1989. I'd have done this: 1. Cruel Summer (April 26) 2. YNTCD (non-radio single, but still with the music video) (June 14) 3. Lover for HAC/AC (August 16) 4. Death By A Thousand Cuts or Afterglow for CHR/Pop (August 16) 5. I Think He Knows (January 27) to close out the era I stand by this. The theory over the word “Cruel” is a wild stretch. The music video could’ve EASILY course-corrected her narrative, and done so effectively.
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Post by Hefty Hanna on Jul 16, 2023 22:35:08 GMT -5
01. Cruel Summer 02. I Think He Knows 03. Cornelia Street 04. Death By A Thousand Cuts 05. The Man
Or something
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Post by suburbandreams on Jul 16, 2023 23:04:31 GMT -5
I think "Cruel Summer" being the lead and "ME!" (as much as I personally love the song) not even existing would've lead to an era that came close to 1989. I'd have done this: 1. Cruel Summer (April 26) 2. YNTCD (non-radio single, but still with the music video) (June 14) 3. Lover for HAC/AC (August 16) 4. Death By A Thousand Cuts or Afterglow for CHR/Pop (August 16) 5. I Think He Knows (January 27) to close out the era I stand by this. The theory over the word “Cruel” is a wild stretch. The music video could’ve EASILY course-corrected her narrative, and done so effectively. It's less about the word cruel but rather that the subject matter of Taylor falling in love in the midst of the summer of 2016 is the same as delicate, don't blame me ,endgame, king of my heart, dress , dancing with our hands tied etc from reputation. Lyrically cruel summer could have fit easily on reputation. ME! served as a hard reset subject wise and really signified that she left reputation behind in a way cruel summer couldn't. I would have started with Lover as the first single. Even through its a slower song , it would have at least built up goodwill and reset her image again. Then she should have released Cruel Summer has the second single
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